Which Nebraska QB would you choose for Frost's offense?

[84HuskerLaw]

I think he was plenty quick/elusive enough for Frost's offense. He wasn't quick/elusive like Frazier but Frazier wasn't the passer Brook was either. You need to be able to do both in this offense and Brook would fit it very well imo.

Newcombe was the fastest QB (maybe player of any position) in Husker history.   He ran like a deer

 

[Mierin]

Frost was MUCH better QB than Martinez.    Obviously he was smart enough to run his own offense.  That is also a key.  Quick decisions.  Frost much better than TMagic.  That's where Gill, Gdowski, Frazier, Berringer, Taylor, Newcombe all shine.   Crouch could also run this offense well.  He wasn't maybe a quick a decision maker at times (he didn't run the option well and that requires great, quick decisions.    

Not sure why this is a reply to me. I didn't say Martinez was better than Frost. I was mentioning Frost as a coach not making throwing motion a deciding factor for his QB.

That said I think Martinez would be a better QB for this offense than Frost. Assuming we're talking 18-22 yr old Frost who doesn't know the offense like the back of his hand.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Bill Walsh also kind of broke Frost, to a certain extent, as a quarterback. Started toying around with his throwing motion and trying to get him to change his muscle memory. If my memory serves correctly.

Well Walsh was using his considerable experience with quarterbacks to mold Frost into a Pac 10 and NFL quarterback. I don't think he broke Frost, he just realized the kid would be a better safety than a quarterback in his system, and in the NFL. Frost was made for Nebraska. 

Scott Frost would always have been a damn good player and athlete, but if he had the same Nebraska defense that Taylor Martinez had behind him, we probably wouldn't be talking about Scott Frost today.  Honestly not sure how Tommie Frazier would have fared without that incredible pipleline of Offensive Line talent, either.

 

[Mavric]

That said I think Martinez would be a better QB for this offense than Frost. Assuming we're talking 18-22 yr old Frost who doesn't know the offense like the back of his hand.

But you think 43-year-old Frost would be a better QB in this system than Martinez?  

 

[Mierin]

But you think 43-year-old Frost would be a better QB in this system than Martinez?  

Nope. Just saying this hypothetical Frost in Frost's offense can't have Old Frost's knowledge.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

3)  When the offense was forced into obvious passing situations, the offense wasn't conducive to being very successful in those situations, leading to a lower completion % (could be a chicken-egg argument)

That's definitely true. And when you only throw 150 times a season, a couple bad games can really drag the average down. 

 

[Big Red 40]

I went with Crouch . I thought he was a more elusive , physical runner than Tmart, and a better passer. The rest on the list were more pass, or run heavy,  i thought Crouch had about the best balance i can remember.

 

[Danimal]

I don't want to relitigate Martinez's entire career, but his mechanics were much improved his last two years after he started working with that Calhoun guy. They were bad his sophomore year because he was hurt. IIRC, he had a bad ankle on one leg and a bad knee or foot on the other.

Yes, that Calhoun guy working with TM for a few weeks made a significant difference and you have to recognize how many injuries TM had to deal with.  I think a healthy TM would wreck **** with Verduzco and Frost developing him long term.

 

[gobiggergoredder]

There are 3 QBs on the current roster that are better suited for this offense than T-Mart.  Add the coach and you have 4.

This is great reading.  GBR.

 

[RedDenver]

The only guys even in the running are Turner Gill, Steve Taylor, Gerry Gdowski, and Tommie Frazier. All the others were runners or passers but not both, and Frazier is on there mostly because his field presence in second to none.

 

[Big Red 40]

Crouch's stats are just as balanced and productive, if not more, than any of those guys. He would excel in frosts offense too.

Gerry Gdowski






















 


 


Passing




Year


School


Conf


Class


Pos


G


Cmp


Att


Pct


Yds


Y/A


AY/A


TD


Int


Rate






Career


Nebraska


 


 


 


 


77


146


52.7


1398


9.6


11.7


20


2


175.6






1987


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


6


1


2


50.0


8


4.0


4.0


0


0


83.6




1988


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


7


5


8


62.5


64


8.0


10.5


1


0


171.0




1989


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


11


71


136


52.2


1326


9.8


11.9


19


2


177.3









 
























 


 


Rushing


Receiving


Scrimmage




Year


School


Conf


Class


Pos


G


Att


Yds


Avg


TD


Rec


Yds


Avg


TD


Plays


Yds


Avg


TD






Career


Nebraska


 






1987


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


6


18


131


7.3


2


 


 


 


 


18


131


7.3


2




1988


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


7


17


155


9.1


2


 


 


 


 


17


155


9.1


2




1989


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


11


117


925


7.9


13


 


 


 


 


117


925


7.9


13




Steve Taylor

























 


 


Rushing


Receiving


Scrimmage




Year


School


Conf


Class


Pos


G


Att


Yds


Avg


TD


Rec


Yds


Avg


TD


Plays


Yds


Avg


TD






Career


Nebraska


 


 


 


 


431


21






1985


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


5


14


103


7.4


2


 


 


 


 


14


103


7.4


2




1986


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


10


130


537


4.1


9


 


 


 


 


130


537


4.1


9




1987


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


10


130


659


5.1


8


 


 


 


 


130


659


5.1


8




1988


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


12


157


826


5.3


13


 


 


 


 


157


826


5.3


13

























 


 


Passing




Year


School


Conf


Class


Pos


G


Cmp


Att


Pct


Yds


Y/A


AY/A


TD


Int


Rate






Career


Nebraska


 


 


 


 


184


404


45.5


2815


7.0


5.8


30


24


116.7






1985


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


5


3


6


50.0


38


6.3


-1.2


0


1


69.9




1986


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


10


52


124


41.9


808


6.5


4.9


6


7


101.3




1987


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


10


57


123


46.3


902


7.3


6.2


13


9


128.2




1988


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


12


72


151


47.7


1067


7.1


6.4


11


7


121.8













Turner Gill








 


Passing




Year


School


Conf


Class


Pos


G


Cmp


Att


Pct


Yds


Y/A


AY/A


TD


Int


Rate






Career


Nebraska


 


 


 


 


231


428


54.0


3317


7.8


8.2


34


11


140.1






1980


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


11


0


1


0.0


0


0.0


0.0


0


0


0.0




1981


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


11


47


91


51.6


619


6.8


6.8


9


4


132.6




1982


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


12


90


166


54.2


1182


7.1


7.6


11


3


132.3




1983


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


12


94


170


55.3


1516


8.9


9.5


14


4


152.7









 
























 


 


Rushing


Receiving


Scrimmage




Year


School


Conf


Class


Pos


G


Att


Yds


Avg


TD


Rec


Yds


Avg


TD


Plays


Yds


Avg


TD






Career


Nebraska


 


 


 


 


290


1317


4.5


18


 


 


 


 


290


1317


4.5


18






1980


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


11


4


26


6.5


0


 


 


 


 


4


26


6.5


0




1981


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


11


76


263


3.5


3


 


 


 


 


76


263


3.5


3




1982


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


12


101


497


4.9


4


 


 


 


 


101


497


4.9


4




1983


Nebraska


Big 8


 


QB


12


109


531


4.9


11


 


 


 


 


109


531


4.9


11




Eric Crouch



























 


 


Rushing


Receiving


Scrimmage




Year


School


Conf


Class


Pos


G


Att


Yds


Avg


TD


Rec


Yds


Avg


TD


Plays


Yds


Avg


TD






Career


Nebraska


 


 


 


 


648


3434


5.3


59






1998


Nebraska


Big 12


 


QB


8


96


459


4.8


5


 


 


 


 


96


459


4.8


5




1999


Nebraska


Big 12


 


QB


12


180


889


4.9


16


2


46


23.0


1


182


935


5.1


17




2000


Nebraska


Big 12


JR


QB


11


169


971


5.7


20


 


 


 


 


169


971


5.7


20




2001


Nebraska


Big 12


SR


QB


12


203


1115


5.5


18


1


63


63.0


1


204


1178


5.8


19



























 


 


Passing




Year


School


Conf


Class


Pos


G


Cmp


Att


Pct


Yds


Y/A


AY/A


TD


Int


Rate






1998


Nebraska


Big 12


 


QB


8


49


101


48.5


601


6.0


5.0


4


4


103.6




1999


Nebraska


Big 12


 


QB


12


83


160


51.9


1269


7.9


7.7


7


4


127.9




2000


Nebraska


Big 12


JR


QB


11


75


156


48.1


1101


7.1


6.4


11


7


121.7




2001


Nebraska


Big 12


SR


QB


12


105


189


55.6


1510


8.0


6.3


7


10


124.3

 

[bleedNUred]

Perfect

 

[commando]

not sure there is a wrong answer among those choices.   berringer may be the least perfect fit ...but i trust he would have done great in it also.

 

[irafreak]

I gotta go with Frost. Think how much faster the offense could move without having to look to the sideline for the next play.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Again, Newcombe played quarterback in an offense tailor-made for him, and lost the job to better players. 

If we're being fair, Tommy Armstrong could have been a monster on those Tom Osborne's teams.