Frazier, as great as he certainly was, had truly "massive" more talent on his 94 & 95 teams (on both sides of the ball) than Crouch's 00 & 01 teams could ever dream of. An almost "magical" difference. Eric almost single-handedly carried NU on his back for three years. But of course he didn't win a NC, so of course Frazier, Frost were "better".....blah, blah, blah.Crouch was no doubt a stud and I love to watch him play....running over the db from Iowa was epic and his 80 yd run vs Mizzou was one of best of all time, but I still don't think he is in Tommie's league. Tommie was magical. Didn't throw well, but good enough. So many highlight runs, topped off by breaking 100000000 tackles on the run vs Florida. I used to get sooo pumped to watch him turn upfield on the option, run 25 yds, get tackled and get up and spin around and dance. You just knew that when that happened, Tommie was in the zone, and good things were going to happen. He also should have won the Heisman. His record speaks for itself.
I'm not saying Ganz was my favorite QB, but I'll throw him in the top 10 Husker QBs list any day. All you had to do was pay attention, and you'd be able to say he's a HELL of a lot closer to that top group than he is to Joe Dailey. That's just selling him, and his contributions to this program, very short. Did he win at the same clip as the 6 you listed? No. Those are some of the all-time best QBs in the history of college football. However, if we're playing the wins card, we have to take a look at what was around Joe when he was here. By that admission, you have to admire even more what Ganzy did while he was here. Top 5? No. Top 10? I'd put him there.In your theory you said the reason Ganz was high was because he breaking records. Joe Dailey broke those same records so does this mean he was also in your top 10?Sophomore quarterback Joe Dailey produced a record-breaking performance to lead the Nebraska football team to a 59-27 win over Baylor before a sellout crowd of 77,881 at Memorial Stadium. Dailey completed 13 of 20 passes for an NU record 342 yards, surpassing the previous record of 297 yards set by David Humm in 1973. :facepalm:I thought Newcombe was the better passer and a great runner, but he had a tendency to fall back and take the 10 yards sacks and run out of bounds that sometimes drove you nuts.I'm with you on Newcombe. If he stays healthy, he keeps that starting job over Crouch and takes the team just as far if not further than #7. Bobby ran like a gazelle as a great option QB, and this guy could actually pass the ball too. His effectiveness as a passer put Crouch, Frazier & Frost to shame.
Honestly, I liked Newcombe more than Crouch b/c he had the same fire & competitiveness that defined his predecessors. I'm not saying Crouch didn't have great competitiveness. It's just that his seemed to be on a more individual level, whereas Frazier, Frost & Newcombe were a more team-oriented drive. Btw, I think that's why Crouch was never able to get a National Championship.
What I would have loved to see was what O'Dell James would have done if he chose Nebraska instead of Baylor :wacko:
Still not seeing how Ganz is in anyones top 10 unless they just started watching football this century.
Maybe because in just a year and a half's time, he set numerous records and was amazingly effective? He was a master of the offense....just compare the offensive efficency of 2008 to 2009.
Was it that hard to set records when most of the past QB'S never had to throw it up that much? Maybe you should go back through the schedules and see what he did against good competition. Missou, Oklahoma, What exactly was his biggest win?
Clemson
The game remained scoreless until the teams combined for 17 points in the final five minutes of the first half. The first score came courtesy of a Husker turnover, as Clemson's DeAndre McDaniel broke into the NU backfield and deflected an option pitch. He was able to find the end zone after the ball bounced right back up to him and he raced 28 yards for the game's first score.
Trailing 7-3, Nebraska got the ball right back when Ty Steinkuhler tipped a Cullen Harper pass and Anthony West made a diving interception at the Clemson 27 with 1:05 left in the half. But the Huskers returned the favor on the very next play, as Ganz threw an interception that Crezdon Butler returned 59 yards down to the NU 13.
Ganz hurt Nebraska defense more then any QB they played that year for every td he threw he probably had a turnover that set the other team up for a score.
You're not seriously comparing Joe Ganz to Joe Dailey, are you?
Your comparing Ganz to
Scott Frost
Tommie Frazier
Turner Gill
Crouch
Jerry Tagge
Dave Humm
I could go down the list probably another 10 qb's and the comparison of Ganz to them would be worse then Joe Dailey to Ganz IMO. Stats are great but wins mean a hell of a lot more and your QB is lacking in that department.
Though this is supposed to be everyone favorite QB not the best, so I'm wrong in saying he shouldn't be in anyones top 10.
Then I must have been right chuckleshuffleStill not seeing how Ganz is in anyones top 10 unless they just started watching football this century.
Joe Ganz above Eric Crouch huh? Interesting..1. Tommie Frazier
2. Turner Gill
3. Jerry Tagge
4. Joe Ganz
5. Scott Frost
6. Steve Taylor
7. Eric Crouch
8. David Humm
Everyone seems to forget the leadership that Jerry Tagge brought...so I had to vote for him.
I think this is closer.Joe Ganz above Eric Crouch huh? Interesting..1. Tommie Frazier
2. Turner Gill
3. Jerry Tagge
4. Joe Ganz
5. Scott Frost
6. Steve Taylor
7. Eric Crouch
8. David Humm
Everyone seems to forget the leadership that Jerry Tagge brought...so I had to vote for him.
He's not in my top 8 or 9 either. Put Crouch under center on any team within the last 3, 4, or even 5 years. No 1,000 yard rushing season, he would actually be forced to pass (shudder) and most definitely there's no Heisman trophy either. He's number one on the all time crybaby list though. A solid number one.Joe Ganz above Eric Crouch huh? Interesting..1. Tommie Frazier
2. Turner Gill
3. Jerry Tagge
4. Joe Ganz
5. Scott Frost
6. Steve Taylor
7. Eric Crouch
8. David Humm
Everyone seems to forget the leadership that Jerry Tagge brought...so I had to vote for him.
The rumors in the 80's is that Steve would lose his poise in the big games in the huddle. True or not I have no idea but he had his worse games playing Oklahoma. (though he did score the only td against Oklahoma in 1988 season with 1 yard run winning 7-3)1. Tommie
2. Steve Taylor (cant believe more people havent talked about him)
3. Turner Gill
4. Crouch
5. Harrison Beck :sarcasm :laughpound
No, he was not. But it's also fair to say that Frost wasn't opening his arms wide to gather in the Husker faithful, either. That was definitely a two-way street.Scott Frost.
When he returned to Nebraska from Stanford he was not greeted with open arms by the Husker faithful, but he hung in there and I believe he won us a National Championship with his heartfelt speech. Without that, I think the voters would have gone with Michigan.
I agree that a passing QB is a unique thing for Nebraska... thats why I think Zac Taylor is my favorite.Dave Humm was my favorite. He actually threw the ball. Years ahead of his time...