grandpasknee
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Dang, must be the old timer's kicking in...I had it reversed. "Fire Moe, Dig up Joe"....my bad. And yes, that would have been uncomfortable otherwise...
Who should we hire
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Savage Husker
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People are talking about Season 3 into a coaches tenure and we haven't even scratched conference games in season 3? Love it. Placing irrelevant standards for a current coach by comparing season 3 results to previous 5 coaches. Previous 3 coaches won a combined single CC, nothing else and nothing more, and that one coach rode the coattails of a legendary coach to earn that title. These are just the arguments I don't get from huskerboard members. It's a made up compare and contrast argument to previous regimes instead of actually looking at the team itself, the stuff that actually matters.
Also, failed to mention when dissecting Season 3 for Riley. The horrible end result of 2012-2013 recruiting classes, but that's just an excuse to defend Riley too.
I'm squarely on the fence of Riley, but I'd like to see season 4 and 5 before judging. With Farniok playing well last week and other RSFrosh and TF prospects on the OL, the DL and LBs building depth. There's more evidence to give a staff a chance for years 4 and 5 than comparing Season 3 results before current Season 3 is even a 1/4 of the way through. If the team can't win the division title this year, that sucks, but those already calling for their jobs would make up another phony reason if the team reaches the CCG this year.
However, Im probably all wrong. Btw, Franklin should have been out at PSU before last season based off of these standards.
Edit: Franklin was only in year 3, my bad. He did start out at 2-2 however. Losing to a big in state rival and being absolutely boat raced by Michigan.
Also, failed to mention when dissecting Season 3 for Riley. The horrible end result of 2012-2013 recruiting classes, but that's just an excuse to defend Riley too.
I'm squarely on the fence of Riley, but I'd like to see season 4 and 5 before judging. With Farniok playing well last week and other RSFrosh and TF prospects on the OL, the DL and LBs building depth. There's more evidence to give a staff a chance for years 4 and 5 than comparing Season 3 results before current Season 3 is even a 1/4 of the way through. If the team can't win the division title this year, that sucks, but those already calling for their jobs would make up another phony reason if the team reaches the CCG this year.
However, Im probably all wrong. Btw, Franklin should have been out at PSU before last season based off of these standards.
Edit: Franklin was only in year 3, my bad. He did start out at 2-2 however. Losing to a big in state rival and being absolutely boat raced by Michigan.
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Stumpy1
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I agree to an extent but some of those coaches were HC's at other schools before they coached at the schools you listed.
Urban Meyer - HC at Bowling Green and Utah before Florida ( Was pretty successful at BG and Utah)
Mack Brown - HC at App St, Tulane and NC before Texas ( Had some success later in his time at NC )
Nick Saban - HC at Toledo and MSU before LSU ( Had okay success at MSU )
Jim Tressel - HC at YSU (Won multiple D2 Championships at YSU, very successful)
Now look at Nebraska since TO retired.
Frank - 1st time HC
Cally - Was a NFL HC
Bo - 1st time HC
Mike Riley is the only coach we have had that has extensive HC years under his belt.
MichiganDad3
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Here here. If I were the NU HC, I would be doing everything to win too, but I doubt I would have much success. And the last 3 coaches were not failures. All were better than MR, and Solich was much better. Won a conference title, finished in the top 10 three out out 6 seasons, finished in the top 20 five of 6 seasons. He was forced to wait for a bad season before he could replace long time assistant coaches who recruited poorly or not at all.
Landlord
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Just for clarification, Mack Brown didn't win a conference championship until his 8th season at Texas, and others like Swinney took a while to prove they really belonged. The year they won the conference was following a 6-7 season, and they proceeded to lose the Orange Bowl 70-33 vs West Virginia.
Good head coaches are incredibly difficult to find. There is no correlation between previous head coaching experience and ability, and at least some of the best take some time and some lumps before they reach their full potential. Others have the chance to be great in certain contexts and not in others. We've had some bad luck with coaches. We also had 50 years of insanely good luck with coaches.
At some point, either with Riley, or Frost, or someone else, we'll get lucky with a great hire. That's all we can really hope for.
Good head coaches are incredibly difficult to find. There is no correlation between previous head coaching experience and ability, and at least some of the best take some time and some lumps before they reach their full potential. Others have the chance to be great in certain contexts and not in others. We've had some bad luck with coaches. We also had 50 years of insanely good luck with coaches.
At some point, either with Riley, or Frost, or someone else, we'll get lucky with a great hire. That's all we can really hope for.
MichiganDad3
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How many coaches can take one of the greatest programs in football and lead them to a losing season. I can only think of two.
StPaulHusker
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We stopped being one of the greatest programs on 11-23-01.
And you want to talk about coaches with losing records at Nebraska--If it weren't for a 5th non-conference game versus McNeese St, Frank would have been 6-7 in 02-03.
Huskerfan55
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First Scott Frost will not come here you should listen to Damon Benning sometime! Second we have done such a poor job of hiring since Solich was fired that why would any one want to come here? Third I think it needs to be a young guy may be Zack Taylor in a few years! But it if a forgone conclusion that Riley will not leave on his own!
marko polo
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Landlord
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Charlie Strong
Brady Hoke
Steve Sarkisian
Lane Kiffin (I guess these two were fired before they had the chance for sure)
Bill Callahan
Mike Riley
John Blake
Mike Shulla
Luke Fickell
Brian Kelly
Charlie Weis
Rich Rodriguez
I'm sure I'm forgetting some
Guy Chamberlin
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Think a little harder:
Ray Perkins
Mike DuBose
Mike Shula
RIch Rodriguez
Brady Hoke
John Cooper
Ted Tollner
John Robinson
Paul Hackett
Gerry Faust
Bob Davie
Tyrone Willingham
Charlie Weiss
Mark Helfrich
Will Muschamp
Butch Davis
Randy Shannon
Al Golden
John Blake
John Mackovic
Mack Brown
Charlie Strong
Johnny Majors
Phil Fulmer
Gerry DiNardo
Jerry Stovall
Pat Dye
Gene Chizik
Tommy Tuberville
Vince Dooley
Mark Richt
Dabo Swinney
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Dagerow
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You are right. It's hard for me to see loyalty as a fault, but you are right and I misspoke with regard to that.
southernoregonhusker
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They're all in or around recruiting hotbeds. You can't make chicken salad with chicken poo.