Why do I bother?
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Blackshirtsguru
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Roy CO HSKR
Five-Star Recruit
I agree that taking the abuse is at an end. I gave them a lot of opportunity to come around. There were a couple of posters who were civil, but like all of you said, the rest were illogical and mean and filthy.
I want to say that no one should confuse Colorado citizens with those crazy CU fans. I've lived here in Lakewood since '71 and absolutely love the environs and the people. The CSU fans have the same problems with those nuts that we do. Boulder is a different animal (as in Animal House and Socialism) as it is known as the People's Republic. It is an microcosm of Berkeley with a significant # of gutter level students. There are only about 50K # of seats in the stdium because the fans don't follow the team that well. They also don't travel well and Bowl officials know it.
I also want you all to separate your thinking about the McCartney Red Letter day that was established in the early '90s. He was and is a fine practicing Christian man who merely wanted to turn the program around with an emphasis on NU. He did not intend that it be made into any hate approach! I spoke with him in the mid-90s and he told me that he and Osborne were good friends and that they both felt the students took the game way beyond competitive sportsmanship. McCartney was assailed at the Univ of Colo because he spoke openly about his faith and, consequently, the adminsitration and the professors hated him for it. He only lasted long enough to make the program a winning one while they condemned him and then he left. His successors Neuheisal and Barnett are not like him. Barnett has run off top players (Houston & Ochs) by belittling their beliefs. I personally think he is mean.
So, the reputation continues. There is a new AD (Bohn) and school president, because of this taudry past including, of course, the scandals in recruiting. I'm certain that those two men with encouragement from the Governer and the legislature are going to be making more changes. I have a friend whose daughter was considering going to school there and he said NO WAY! Because of the taint on the whole state, there is more coming down the pike!
I encourage the Husker posters to remain above the garbage and carry our tradition on in a decent civil manner. We are the example that has been set, after all!!!
I want to say that no one should confuse Colorado citizens with those crazy CU fans. I've lived here in Lakewood since '71 and absolutely love the environs and the people. The CSU fans have the same problems with those nuts that we do. Boulder is a different animal (as in Animal House and Socialism) as it is known as the People's Republic. It is an microcosm of Berkeley with a significant # of gutter level students. There are only about 50K # of seats in the stdium because the fans don't follow the team that well. They also don't travel well and Bowl officials know it.
I also want you all to separate your thinking about the McCartney Red Letter day that was established in the early '90s. He was and is a fine practicing Christian man who merely wanted to turn the program around with an emphasis on NU. He did not intend that it be made into any hate approach! I spoke with him in the mid-90s and he told me that he and Osborne were good friends and that they both felt the students took the game way beyond competitive sportsmanship. McCartney was assailed at the Univ of Colo because he spoke openly about his faith and, consequently, the adminsitration and the professors hated him for it. He only lasted long enough to make the program a winning one while they condemned him and then he left. His successors Neuheisal and Barnett are not like him. Barnett has run off top players (Houston & Ochs) by belittling their beliefs. I personally think he is mean.
So, the reputation continues. There is a new AD (Bohn) and school president, because of this taudry past including, of course, the scandals in recruiting. I'm certain that those two men with encouragement from the Governer and the legislature are going to be making more changes. I have a friend whose daughter was considering going to school there and he said NO WAY! Because of the taint on the whole state, there is more coming down the pike!
I encourage the Husker posters to remain above the garbage and carry our tradition on in a decent civil manner. We are the example that has been set, after all!!!
Well said.
Like I have mentioned before, I have relatives (grandparents, uncle and his wife) that live in the Loveland/Ft. Collins area.
Both of which lived in Lincoln for an extended period of time. My grandparents moved to CO upon their retirement and my uncle followed.
I have always enjoyed my visits to CO on my way to and from Lincoln from San Diego. The mountains are truly majestic!
The people are also kind, as you described.
I never really knew that much about the history of the university and coaching as you described, Roy.
I do now.
I think, we Nebraskans (at least me), looked at Mc Cartney as trying to start something that had already been established between NU and OU.
The other coaches speak for themselves, as you said.
Perhaps some of us are in denial that CU is going to become our current day "rival."
The forming of the Big 12 has swept away any hopes of the annual NU/OU rivalry. Although I am sure all of us "old timers" will always consider OU the true rival. I know I will.
So my feelings are not bitter towards the whole state, just a select few down south of Denver on I-25.
GBR! :thumbs
Like I have mentioned before, I have relatives (grandparents, uncle and his wife) that live in the Loveland/Ft. Collins area.
Both of which lived in Lincoln for an extended period of time. My grandparents moved to CO upon their retirement and my uncle followed.
I have always enjoyed my visits to CO on my way to and from Lincoln from San Diego. The mountains are truly majestic!
The people are also kind, as you described.
I never really knew that much about the history of the university and coaching as you described, Roy.
I do now.
I think, we Nebraskans (at least me), looked at Mc Cartney as trying to start something that had already been established between NU and OU.
The other coaches speak for themselves, as you said.
Perhaps some of us are in denial that CU is going to become our current day "rival."
The forming of the Big 12 has swept away any hopes of the annual NU/OU rivalry. Although I am sure all of us "old timers" will always consider OU the true rival. I know I will.
So my feelings are not bitter towards the whole state, just a select few down south of Denver on I-25.
GBR! :thumbs
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StuckinChicago
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What does this have to do with religion and politics. Nothing... Being liberal or of some other faith than christianity doesnt make you throw things on the field, or key other people's cars. I have seen any number or outstanding christians commit horribly attrocious acts, and the other way around. Lets not bring this onto the board. If you want to talk religion and politics, go visit a political blog. This is about football.
Roy CO HSKR
Five-Star Recruit
I was only dealing with intolerance, not making a case about one belief or another. I'm sorry I was not clear about that!
Roy CO HSKR
Five-Star Recruit
This is NOT about being liberal or conservative, but being intolerant of anyone else. If this was a Univ that supported a right wing agenda, like the Minuteman, and was mean to others then the same thing applies. You may not be aware of this, but this faculty. by and large, is extremist. This has nothing to do with a difference of beliefs, but an intolerance of anyone else.
I getting pretty fed up with the attitude of those who think that I'm just talking about politics here. This is about those who first condemn a coach on his personal beliefs, then this anti-Nebraska culture that has sprung up over the years that is also hateful. The only reason that McCartney's situation was brought up to start with, was because some NU fans think he is to blame for this hate culture. I used his personal situation to explain that it is not.
This is the last time I will address anyone's complaint, because if you can't understand this, it's too late for you!
I have a friend living here in CO that is an NU grad and attended the game Fri. He said that the CU students appeared to be the only real problems, as the CU fans around him were civil. What has this to do with their beliefs? NOTHING!
Go Big Red
I getting pretty fed up with the attitude of those who think that I'm just talking about politics here. This is about those who first condemn a coach on his personal beliefs, then this anti-Nebraska culture that has sprung up over the years that is also hateful. The only reason that McCartney's situation was brought up to start with, was because some NU fans think he is to blame for this hate culture. I used his personal situation to explain that it is not.
This is the last time I will address anyone's complaint, because if you can't understand this, it's too late for you!
I have a friend living here in CO that is an NU grad and attended the game Fri. He said that the CU students appeared to be the only real problems, as the CU fans around him were civil. What has this to do with their beliefs? NOTHING!
Go Big Red
Redman
All-Conference
I totally agree, but obviously Former does not.
I'm really curious about this. Do you have some examples of these extremist actions? I do not know much about CU academics, faculty, or philosophies so I truly am intersted in this.
McCartney seemed like a nice and respectful individual when he was coach. I think this hate culture began with him, only in the sense that he raised the playing level of the Buffs to be more competitive. More competition between NU and CU, the more animosity and rivalry that developed. He did not create the attitudes, just the level of competition.
HuskersGJ
Special Teams Player
I also don't get the liberal reference. especially considering many schools with bad reputations for fan BS are in the so-called conservative south. remember LSU's fans after the Tenn. game?
liberal or conservative has nothing to do with fan antics.
though, that label on CU is something i find interesting, especially lately. the seemingly self-proclaimed reputation of being "ultra-liberal" is IMO, just a front without substance.
whether you agree with affirmative action or not, political stereotypes would suggest that "ultra-liberals" are supportive of it no?
but right now a hot topic at CU is racism.
for example http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_3228757
and if they are so proudly ultra-liberal, then why do they have the LOWEST % of afr.american students than any other Big 12 school? certainly they should at least be above Kansas!
and from another "liberal" stereotype- why do they still employ a coach that isn't exactly considered female-friendly? to say the least. here's a guy that vilified alleged rape victims. but I guess that's ok when they're, you know, kickers.
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