Wondering if this would change the perception of Bo

[EZ-E]

Bo is genuinely happy off camera and gets along with a lot of people. Eichorst doesn't have any type of agenda that he's making anyone follow.

 

[huskeraddict]

Shawn's been quoted as being of the opinion that for him to do a good job at his job means that nobody knows his name or what he's up to.

I like this guy.

Quite the 180 from Steve Pederson's "They'll build statues of me" mentality.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Shawn's been quoted as being of the opinion that for him to do a good job at his job means that nobody knows his name or what he's up to.

I like this guy.

Yes he has. His introduction presser.

 

[95huskers]

IMO I think Eichorst had a sit down with him and explained to Bo that he needed to take a different approach with the media. I think Bo felt as if he could really do what he wanted when TO was here cuz he had a feeling that TO wouldn't hammer down on him. I think Eichorst wants a better perception of Bo and the program and in order to accomplish that it starts with Bo's demeanor toward the media and the public.

There is no doubt that Jack's story has unintentionally helped this program in a number of ways. Its helped people's outlook on the program. Helped people realize its more than football. It put Nebraska on a national scene and will def help recruiting. This kind gesture wasn't inteded to do those things but it did. And all are positive for the program.

Eichorst hasn't been here long enough to have anything to do with Bo's demeanor.

anyone heard of impress your new boss? I think Eichorst has a plan and if Bo doesn't want to follow that plan then there is no emotional attachment to keep him around. I think Bo realizes that and is willing to make a change much quicker... just my thought. I have no evidence to substantiate this.

And what coach would come here after we fired a coach that was consistently winning?

Hint - no one good.

The "plan" i was alluding to didn't mean that shawn is looking to fire bo. I think that he has a plan to keep the program moving forward. In order to keep the program moving forward his PLAN is to get this program to become more publicly and media friendly. In order to keep your program in a "good light" you have to have positive media exposure. This is what i am alluding to. The hammer down on Bo that i was speaking of meant that TO didn't go to Bo and say "hey jack, look here, we need to knock this crap off and we need to do this and this and that to get a more positive light on our program, you are giving us somewhat of a blackeye when the media shows your mean face all the time. At the same time I think that the ego of TO (not bad ego but any head coach or former coach has one) sat in his office and thought to himself "I have won championships and helped build this program to what it is today and he wont even come to me for any advice whatsoever. I think Shawn is making sure that this "plan" goes into affect. and gets more positive exposure for Bo.

 

[EZ-E]

IMO I think Eichorst had a sit down with him and explained to Bo that he needed to take a different approach with the media. I think Bo felt as if he could really do what he wanted when TO was here cuz he had a feeling that TO wouldn't hammer down on him. I think Eichorst wants a better perception of Bo and the program and in order to accomplish that it starts with Bo's demeanor toward the media and the public.

There is no doubt that Jack's story has unintentionally helped this program in a number of ways. Its helped people's outlook on the program. Helped people realize its more than football. It put Nebraska on a national scene and will def help recruiting. This kind gesture wasn't inteded to do those things but it did. And all are positive for the program.

Eichorst hasn't been here long enough to have anything to do with Bo's demeanor.

anyone heard of impress your new boss? I think Eichorst has a plan and if Bo doesn't want to follow that plan then there is no emotional attachment to keep him around. I think Bo realizes that and is willing to make a change much quicker... just my thought. I have no evidence to substantiate this.

And what coach would come here after we fired a coach that was consistently winning?

Hint - no one good.

The "plan" i was alluding to didn't mean that shawn is looking to fire bo. I think that he has a plan to keep the program moving forward. In order to keep the program moving forward his PLAN is to get this program to become more publicly and media friendly. In order to keep your program in a "good light" you have to have positive media exposure. This is what i am alluding to. The hammer down on Bo that i was speaking of meant that TO didn't go to Bo and say "hey jack, look here, we need to knock this crap off and we need to do this and this and that to get a more positive light on our program, you are giving us somewhat of a blackeye when the media shows your mean face all the time. At the same time I think that the ego of TO (not bad ego but any head coach or former coach has one) sat in his office and thought to himself "I have won championships and helped build this program to what it is today and he wont even come to me for any advice whatsoever. I think Shawn is making sure that this "plan" goes into affect. and gets more positive exposure for Bo.

A ton of guess work in here just based on two things. I don't think Eichorst should get as much credit as you are giving him.

As weird as it sounds, Bo does like to laugh and have fun. These could be people finally getting to see that side of him.

 

[Count 'Bility]

IMO I think Eichorst had a sit down with him and explained to Bo that he needed to take a different approach with the media. I think Bo felt as if he could really do what he wanted when TO was here cuz he had a feeling that TO wouldn't hammer down on him. I think Eichorst wants a better perception of Bo and the program and in order to accomplish that it starts with Bo's demeanor toward the media and the public.

There is no doubt that Jack's story has unintentionally helped this program in a number of ways. Its helped people's outlook on the program. Helped people realize its more than football. It put Nebraska on a national scene and will def help recruiting. This kind gesture wasn't inteded to do those things but it did. And all are positive for the program.

Eichorst hasn't been here long enough to have anything to do with Bo's demeanor.

anyone heard of impress your new boss? I think Eichorst has a plan and if Bo doesn't want to follow that plan then there is no emotional attachment to keep him around. I think Bo realizes that and is willing to make a change much quicker... just my thought. I have no evidence to substantiate this.

And what coach would come here after we fired a coach that was consistently winning?

Hint - no one good.

The "plan" i was alluding to didn't mean that shawn is looking to fire bo. I think that he has a plan to keep the program moving forward. In order to keep the program moving forward his PLAN is to get this program to become more publicly and media friendly. In order to keep your program in a "good light" you have to have positive media exposure. This is what i am alluding to. The hammer down on Bo that i was speaking of meant that TO didn't go to Bo and say "hey jack, look here, we need to knock this crap off and we need to do this and this and that to get a more positive light on our program, you are giving us somewhat of a blackeye when the media shows your mean face all the time. At the same time I think that the ego of TO (not bad ego but any head coach or former coach has one) sat in his office and thought to himself "I have won championships and helped build this program to what it is today and he wont even come to me for any advice whatsoever. I think Shawn is making sure that this "plan" goes into affect. and gets more positive exposure for Bo.

This happened back in 2010. Remember the publich lashing Bo took at the hands of Perlman the day after the College Station screwjob? I guarantee you 100% that there was a meeting between the 3 shortly thereafter. The demeanor and public personna has been consistenly improving ever since. Not to mention, getting rid of Carl was most likely part of the plan as well. Again, this was all happening well before Eichorst was even a blip in the minds of anything Husker.

Bo has consulted Osborne on the operations of a program numerous times. This is common sense. I'm just curious where you come up with this stuff. Is it just ideas are do you actually have sources or are they just other people spittin their yayhoo. I know people too that claim to know things when in all actuality they dont know jack sh#t.

As much as I dont want to start some sort of heated battle hear, I just cant help but ask how your head got filled with this stuff. My opinion or not, it's just not anything that's anywhere close to what I would perceive as common sense.

 

[95huskers]

You can get as fired up as you please. Yes in 2010 he did have a sit down for obvious reasons. I was on Bos side after that game. I wanted him to punch the ref in the face. I would have been ok with all of it at the time. But the overall perception of Bo and the program hasn't been good even since then.We still get the dumb answers in post games, "you saw it didnt you you tell me" which hasnt changed a ton.

As far as Bo Consulting TO, I promise you it was very few and far between. My opinion comes from how i perceive Bo and the program from people I talk to that have been in and around the program for decades. I don't know everything, far from it, but when people tell me things like this my appreciation for Bo lessens. I will admit im not the most pro Bo person around her. I have liked him less and less for a number of reason over the past 4 years.

Again we are getting away from the core of this subject. And you dissecting my sentence and finding 1 word that you took out of context started it.

Does giving Jack this opportunity change the perception of Bo, Yes. It def does, how could it not?

Im middle of the road when it comes to Bo compared to others I know. And those people would say things like "I don't want to Like Bo but that was one of the coolest things ive ever seen, Props to Bo and the program for making this happen"

 

[TGHusker]

Accountability - good observation on how Tom left a great foundation for Shawn to build on.

Good observation and when one thinks about all that Tom did in 5 years - it is amazing. Boy, think back to how we all felt after OSUb12 led us 35-0 at half time and realizing that this football program was in a dump like we haven't seen since the 1950s. (that OSU team was not as good as the OSU team of 2 years ago that should have played and would have beat bama for the NC) Tom made changes in coaching, facilities and finance that will affect the NU image and athletics for years to come. I think we will get there with football. The basketball team has a challenge as we saw some great Big 10 play in the NCAA tournament. But, facilities are no longer an excuse. Shawn needs to provide what the coaches need to succeed & not make any major changes at this point.

 

[knapplc]

Seems like it's changing peoples' perception of Taylor Martinez:

@HuskerExtraBC

By the way: General mood of fans regarding Taylor seems slightly changed to me. More love. I know it's April, but sense a different vibe...

...It just feels like the winds are shifting some when it comes to Martinez and how some #Husker fans view him. Am I reading it wrong?

‏@HuskerExtraBC

Agree. RT @WesleyDemke i think it's helped the "taylor haters" that he appears to be more open, with recent articles and interviews

Certainly the heat of the fall will tell a lot about my theory. Nebraska QBs, fairly or unfairly, are usually judged by championships.

 

[Count 'Bility]

In the right viewpoint, it's sad that this is what it's taken for anyone to change their view of Taylor to a positive one.

 

[Count 'Bility]

You can get as fired up as you please. Yes in 2010 he did have a sit down for obvious reasons. I was on Bos side after that game. I wanted him to punch the ref in the face. I would have been ok with all of it at the time. But the overall perception of Bo and the program hasn't been good even since then.We still get the dumb answers in post games, "you saw it didnt you you tell me" which hasnt changed a ton.

As far as Bo Consulting TO, I promise you it was very few and far between. My opinion comes from how i perceive Bo and the program from people I talk to that have been in and around the program for decades. I don't know everything, far from it, but when people tell me things like this my appreciation for Bo lessens. I will admit im not the most pro Bo person around her. I have liked him less and less for a number of reason over the past 4 years.

1st paragraph: I guess it's just a shame that Bo is the only coach in the history of competitive athletics that gets short and crabby when he just lost. I understand what you mean that it puts Bo in a bad light and so on, but it's still bs, and it shouldnt. The majority-as in probably 99.3% of people that have a negative opinion of Bo and his demeanor developed a pre-conceived opinion that night, and nothing he can do will ever change it.

2nd paragraph: I promise you he has on numerous occasions. This is just opinion vs opinion. And maybe our contexts are a little different. I'm not talking about x's and o's advice. I'm not suggesting that Bo goes into TO's office and says "Coach, you think we should blitz in this situation?" I'm talking more about the intangibles of overall management of a program. Bo is a first time HC. He has one of if not the best ever in an office above him that indefinitely offered his help from day one. I promise you, Bo has conversed with Tom numerous times on things and I happen to see this as common sense. But I also will concede that Tom has probably never offered up that advice uninvited, except for maybe after that night in College Station. That's not his way. We all know enough about TO to know that.

Even Shawn Watson said several times about some option plays and passes that we used in '09 after they dialed back the offense, that they were the idea of TO, and that TO advised Shawn on the design and use of them and such.

In all honesty, I was thinking you maybe had some factual evidence to support your statements. If so, I was very curious to hear them. It appears to me it just based on opinions-yours and others'-and that is fine. I just happen to have a differing one, and it is also based on folks that have been in and around the program for a long time.

Read EZ-E's OP in the thread "My take on a solid weekend" if you havent yet. It is an awesome perspective from someone in the know.

 

[True2tRA]

Seems like it's changing peoples' perception of Taylor Martinez:

@HuskerExtraBC

By the way: General mood of fans regarding Taylor seems slightly changed to me. More love. I know it's April, but sense a different vibe...

...It just feels like the winds are shifting some when it comes to Martinez and how some #Husker fans view him. Am I reading it wrong?

‏@HuskerExtraBC

Agree. RT @WesleyDemke i think it's helped the "taylor haters" that he appears to be more open, with recent articles and interviews

Certainly the heat of the fall will tell a lot about my theory. Nebraska QBs, fairly or unfairly, are usually judged by championships.

I'll chime in on this.

This "Taylor haters" bullsh#t is so way overblown it's gotten to the point of ridiculousness now. I technically two years ago could have been called a Taylor hater. Why? At one time I did not think he was the best QB available on this football team. At one time, I felt we had someone on the sideline that gave us a better chance to win. Now how in the f#*k does that equal "hate"? I think the Taylor "lovers" have overblown this whole thing, and fueled this thing so much it became almost a statewide torch and pitchfork manhunt against anyone who had anything negative to say about Taylor. The media has used it to right some pretty intriguing stories and sell a few newspapers.

I say for God's sake give it up already. CLEARLY, I repeat, CLEARLY Taylor Martinez is a pretty classy dude. As a matter of fact, this team is full of classy dudes. Bo Pelini is a damn good dude, and I think he searches the country for good kids to play on his football team. Not only that, but I WAS WRONG, Taylor was the best option we had at QB, he is still the best option we have at QB. He's put together one damn find career, and he will leave Nebraska after his senior year garnering much more respect than he had as a freshman. Which happens to be the case for just about every Husker player that ever walked the planet. I say good for him. He's earned it. He deserves it. You know why? Because he worked for it. He did the right things. He sought extra help to improve his game, and he has learned and grown as a young man to improve himself as a human being. As do most people from the age of 18 to 22 years old. It's a very natural process. Difference is, he is the big shot. He's the QB. He's got the spotlight.

Maybe. just maybe, if the media wrote less articles. and had less comments about the so called "hatred" for Taylor, and focused more of their time on the great things these guys do in the community and so forth, this "Taylor hater" notion wouldn't be such an overblown crock of sh#t that it has become. In all reality, that can't represent very much of the Nebraska fan population at all. I guarantee you it is by FAR the minority.

 

[True2tRA]

Oh and as far as the topic of the thread. I think if we just hear more about and visually see the positivity from Bo, maybe see that side of him we all hear about just a little more often. Then the perception will go away.

In the end, if you are doing a great job as a coach, winning games, raising good kids, and teaching good football players, the media won't even talk about the "perception" of your personality. No, it's the negativity, the terrible stuff, the times you make a mistake that they really really crave. The leaches feed off that stuff. Don't give them anything to talk about. Unless it's amazing things like what happened this weekend.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Seems like it's changing peoples' perception of Taylor Martinez:

@HuskerExtraBC

By the way: General mood of fans regarding Taylor seems slightly changed to me. More love. I know it's April, but sense a different vibe...

...It just feels like the winds are shifting some when it comes to Martinez and how some #Husker fans view him. Am I reading it wrong?

‏@HuskerExtraBC

Agree. RT @WesleyDemke i think it's helped the "taylor haters" that he appears to be more open, with recent articles and interviews

Certainly the heat of the fall will tell a lot about my theory. Nebraska QBs, fairly or unfairly, are usually judged by championships.

I'll chime in on this.

This "Taylor haters" bullsh#t is so way overblown it's gotten to the point of ridiculousness now. I technically two years ago could have been called a Taylor hater. Why? At one time I did not think he was the best QB available on this football team. At one time, I felt we had someone on the sideline that gave us a better chance to win. Now how in the f#*k does that equal "hate"? I think the Taylor "lovers" have overblown this whole thing, and fueled this thing so much it became almost a statewide torch and pitchfork manhunt against anyone who had anything negative to say about Taylor. The media has used it to right some pretty intriguing stories and sell a few newspapers.

I say for God's sake give it up already. CLEARLY, I repeat, CLEARLY Taylor Martinez is a pretty classy dude. As a matter of fact, this team is full of classy dudes. Bo Pelini is a damn good dude, and I think he searches the country for good kids to play on his football team. Not only that, but I WAS WRONG, Taylor was the best option we had at QB, he is still the best option we have at QB. He's put together one damn find career, and he will leave Nebraska after his senior year garnering much more respect than he had as a freshman. Which happens to be the case for just about every Husker player that ever walked the planet. I say good for him. He's earned it. He deserves it. You know why? Because he worked for it. He did the right things. He sought extra help to improve his game, and he has learned and grown as a young man to improve himself as a human being. As do most people from the age of 18 to 22 years old. It's a very natural process. Difference is, he is the big shot. He's the QB. He's got the spotlight.

Maybe. just maybe, if the media wrote less articles. and had less comments about the so called "hatred" for Taylor, and focused more of their time on the great things these guys do in the community and so forth, this "Taylor hater" notion wouldn't be such an overblown crock of sh#t that it has become. In all reality, that can't represent very much of the Nebraska fan population at all. I guarantee you it is by FAR the minority.

Obviously you are not a Taylor-hater, True. Obviously this concept is way overblown in regards to your opinion of Taylor

But in general, it is not. I talk to Taylor-haters everyday. It's blinded, preconceived opinions. They may have had a legitimate reason at one time, but now that they dont, their opinion has not changed one bit. Yes, they are out there.

 

[True2tRA]

Seems like it's changing peoples' perception of Taylor Martinez:

@HuskerExtraBC

By the way: General mood of fans regarding Taylor seems slightly changed to me. More love. I know it's April, but sense a different vibe...

...It just feels like the winds are shifting some when it comes to Martinez and how some #Husker fans view him. Am I reading it wrong?

‏@HuskerExtraBC

Agree. RT @WesleyDemke i think it's helped the "taylor haters" that he appears to be more open, with recent articles and interviews

Certainly the heat of the fall will tell a lot about my theory. Nebraska QBs, fairly or unfairly, are usually judged by championships.

I'll chime in on this.

This "Taylor haters" bullsh#t is so way overblown it's gotten to the point of ridiculousness now. I technically two years ago could have been called a Taylor hater. Why? At one time I did not think he was the best QB available on this football team. At one time, I felt we had someone on the sideline that gave us a better chance to win. Now how in the f#*k does that equal "hate"? I think the Taylor "lovers" have overblown this whole thing, and fueled this thing so much it became almost a statewide torch and pitchfork manhunt against anyone who had anything negative to say about Taylor. The media has used it to right some pretty intriguing stories and sell a few newspapers.

I say for God's sake give it up already. CLEARLY, I repeat, CLEARLY Taylor Martinez is a pretty classy dude. As a matter of fact, this team is full of classy dudes. Bo Pelini is a damn good dude, and I think he searches the country for good kids to play on his football team. Not only that, but I WAS WRONG, Taylor was the best option we had at QB, he is still the best option we have at QB. He's put together one damn find career, and he will leave Nebraska after his senior year garnering much more respect than he had as a freshman. Which happens to be the case for just about every Husker player that ever walked the planet. I say good for him. He's earned it. He deserves it. You know why? Because he worked for it. He did the right things. He sought extra help to improve his game, and he has learned and grown as a young man to improve himself as a human being. As do most people from the age of 18 to 22 years old. It's a very natural process. Difference is, he is the big shot. He's the QB. He's got the spotlight.

Maybe. just maybe, if the media wrote less articles. and had less comments about the so called "hatred" for Taylor, and focused more of their time on the great things these guys do in the community and so forth, this "Taylor hater" notion wouldn't be such an overblown crock of sh#t that it has become. In all reality, that can't represent very much of the Nebraska fan population at all. I guarantee you it is by FAR the minority.

Obviously you are not a Taylor-hater, True. Obviously this concept is way overblown in regards to your opinion of Taylor

But in general, it is not. I talk to Taylor-haters everyday. It's blinded, preconceived opinions. They may have had a legitimate reason at one time, but now that they dont, their opinion has not changed one bit. Yes, they are out there.

I just don't get why then. I really don't.