WR Coach Keith Williams Arrested on Suspicion of DUI

[Creighton Duke]

I don't think that the difference is as relevant as people are making it out to be.

"You got really drunk, hit a guy, refused to exchange insurance information, and got arrested (for the 3rd time for this particular offense) and...wait...what??!! You only got KIND of drunk and all of that other stuff happened as a result? Changes EVERYTHING!"

Many will disagree, but as far as "mentoring" and "developing young men" are concerned, I don't think that this is the best message to be sending.

I thought about this and thinking back to all the coaches I ever had it would not have bothered one one tiny bit if any of them had troubles with the law. I would not try less, I would not give less effort I would not tune him out.

Now, if my coach was a horrible coach and telling me "when you make a tackle be sure to duck your head and exposed the crown of your helmet, sure you might get paralyzed but it is how I teach it" then I would have issues.

I obviously don't know your background and don't want to make assumptions, but I would venture to guess that you may have had strong role models/male role models in your life that were able to instill values in you that would deter immoral or illegal decisions/actions. Because of this, you didn't need to or consciously give as much thought to the conduct of your coaches.

Many of the guys on the team look up to Coach Williams as THAT father figure/role model/etc. that they may not or did not have in their own lives. When this is the role that comes with a certain type of authority, whether one willingly accepts the role or not, I think that there needs to be a higher standard placed on the individual to ensure that those under their watch are being shown the most appropriate examples of acceptable behavior and conduct possible.

 

[teachercd]

I've lost a very good friend to a drunk driver and I am 13 years sober from some significant substance abuse problems. Some of you live is a very black and white world, may work for you but isn't aligned with reality for most of us.

1. I know lots of drunks/ addicts that are the most intelligent and talented people. They are amazing at what they do but at some point things come apart.

2. It is very possible he could be a great coach, teacher and mentor of young men and still be battling his own demons behind the scenes.

3. The dates of the previous DUI's, and Riley's comments could imply that he is someone that got his life together and has now relapsed. Who knows how long ago that relapse started? It usually takes a while until something bad happens so maybe he's been drinking again for a while.

4. For someone with real drinking/ drug problems there is no consequence strong enough to get you to stop, that is how bad drug and drinking problems work. There is also no excuse for relapsing once you've put time together. The job pressure is an excuse, as is any other excuse- although excuses are a great skill of the addict/ alcoholic.

5. I could see great benefit to a very strict plan of recovery, and earning back trust. It could b a great teaching moment as well but if the university gets rid of him- well he earned it.

6. There is nothing about keeping him that makes 'us' look bad as the decisions of the Nebraska Cornhuskers football team have nothing to do with my life, my integrity, my self-esteem, or my reputation. Yours either, knuckleheads.

7. Our football program has plenty of social blemishes including many that happened during the tenure of Saint TO. Once again, delusional knuckleheads.

8. Bo was fired for his behavior AND bc/ he lost too many big games. If he was in the top 10 every year he could've called me a C*** everyday of the year. It's true for most of you as well whether you admit it or not.

9. DUI is serious and he could've killed someone but he didn't so that doesn't apply here.

10. The same rules do not apply to everybody. Yep, that is all.

11. I feel for his family, and his WR's.

12. Most of you are lying about how many times you have driven drunk.

How this post didn't shoot down about 90% of the posters in this thread amazes me. Great post.

To the people that feel like this impacts them becuase they are such a super fan, well, wow.

I'm also impressed with the amount of keyboard doctors we have… I can't wait to make a post one day about how I have a slight headache so that I can be told I have a tumor the size of a grapefruit in my brain.

 

[I am I]

It's not a tumor.

 

[Stumpy1]

KW has 3 DUIs in the span of 12 years with the last one coming 8 years ago. I don't think that necessarily makes him an alcoholic, more like someone that has made piss poor decisions.

 

[cm husker]

KW has 3 DUIs in the span of 12 years with the last one coming 8 years ago. I don't think that necessarily makes him an alcoholic, more like someone that has made piss poor decisions.

You think he's only driven drunk once since the last DUI?

 

[blinky]

KW has 3 DUIs in the span of 12 years with the last one coming 8 years ago. I don't think that necessarily makes him an alcoholic, more like someone that has made piss poor decisions.

You think he's only driven drunk once since the last DUI?

objection: speculation.
I'm not a lawyer, but.... Seems like a weird question

 

[bugeater17]

KW has 3 DUIs in the span of 12 years with the last one coming 8 years ago. I don't think that necessarily makes him an alcoholic, more like someone that has made piss poor decisions.

You think he's only driven drunk once since the last DUI?

I think what he was trying to say (or atleast what I will say) is that not everyone who gets a dui or multiple duis is an alcoholic. Rather, it comes down to making poor decisions on whether to get behind the wheel or take a taxi. Just because someone makes repeated bad decisions on driving after drinking does NOT make them an alcoholic.

 

[StPaulHusker]

KW has 3 DUIs in the span of 12 years with the last one coming 8 years ago. I don't think that necessarily makes him an alcoholic, more like someone that has made piss poor decisions.

I may be wrong but once you are an alcoholic, you are always an alcoholic. Perhaps you are a recovering one. But still one just the same.

And with regards to the time span, it could be that he relapsed after 8 years. It does happen.

So your speculation is no more valid than someone who thinks he has a problem.

 

[cm husker]

KW has 3 DUIs in the span of 12 years with the last one coming 8 years ago. I don't think that necessarily makes him an alcoholic, more like someone that has made piss poor decisions.

You think he's only driven drunk once since the last DUI?

objection: speculation.
I'm not a lawyer, but.... Seems like a weird question

Whys it weird? Statistics indicate that for every DUI actually caught, the person has driven drunk numerous times.

I don't know if Williams should be fired, but we should at least try to deal in the reality of the situation.

 

[broganreynik]

I don't have any experience with being an alcoholic, so I'm not taking any sides whatsoever. I'm curious though. Really just wondering out loud.

Wouldn't an alcoholic have a BAC much higher than .15 when it's just after closing time?

Again, I don't know, and it obviously depends on when he started drinking, how long since his last drink, etc. I just think an alcoholic would have drank a lot more than that.

That said, I know someone with two DUIs who had a "drinking problem" at the time, but the second one seemed to open up his eyes to drinking and driving. I don't know if that means he just made poor decisions while binge drinking, or if he was an actual alcoholic. But I would say anyone with multiple DUIs has a drinking problem, alcoholic or not.

 

[krc1995]

Why do some say he may have 4 dui's? I only see 3

 

[cm husker]

KW has 3 DUIs in the span of 12 years with the last one coming 8 years ago. I don't think that necessarily makes him an alcoholic, more like someone that has made piss poor decisions.

You think he's only driven drunk once since the last DUI?

I think what he was trying to say (or atleast what I will say) is that not everyone who gets a dui or multiple duis is an alcoholic. Rather, it comes down to making poor decisions on whether to get behind the wheel or take a taxi. Just because someone makes repeated bad decisions on driving after drinking does NOT make them an alcoholic.

Most states have programs and punishments in place that assume you are an alcoholic after a single DUI. By number 3, it's safe to assume your habitually driving drunk.

Is that always 100% the case? No.

But that likelihood is much much higher than "he got unlucky the three times he drunk drove."

Maybe we can debate the definition of alchohilic, but "making bad decisions like driving while drunk" sure seem to be a hallmark.

 

[Stumpy1]

What defines someone as an alcoholic? Is it someone that drinks everyday, no matter the amount? Is it someone that drinks more then once in a given period of time, like twice a week?

I got an MIP when I was in college and had to take a class as a part of my probation. During that class, the instructor asked if anyone in my family drank. After a short discussion, he tried telling me that my Grandma was an alcoholic because she drank 1 beer on New Years Eve every year. That was the only time my grandma would drink. It was a family tradition for her that started when her great grandparents came to America.

Ever since that day, I have always wondered what defines someone as an alcoholic.

 

[broganreynik]

Hahaha almost perfect. One minor change:

 

[broganreynik]

What defines someone as an alcoholic? Is it someone that drinks everyday, no matter the amount? Is it someone that drinks more then once in a given period of time, like twice a week?

I got an MIP when I was in college and had to take a class as a part of my probation. During that class, the instructor asked if anyone in my family drank. After a short discussion, he tried telling me that my Grandma was an alcoholic because she drank 1 beer on New Years Eve every year. That was the only time my grandma would drink. It was a family tradition for her that started when her great grandparents came to America.

Ever since that day, I have always wondered what defines someone as an alcoholic.

Your grandma either had the self-control of a monk or she was not an alcoholic. I would think it's not defined by how much a person drinks, moreso how easy it is for them to stop. Since its a mental thing, I'm not sure if it's 100% diagnosable. I don't know for sure.

I've always been of the opinion that if someone is addicted, they can quit if they legitimately wanted to. That's been my experience anyway. I definitely have a sex addiction and probably an addiction to buying movies (I have over 1,100 and haven't even actually seen 300+). I've never had a reason to actually stop though. With a kid on the way, I'm beginning to think I should, yet there are Blu-rays coming out that I want. I'm also petrified of the period after birth that my wife can't have sex. So, I definitely don't want to stop. Whether the kid changes that remains to be seen.

If I were to diagnose an alcoholic, with my admittedly amateur opinion based on nothing but speculation, getting to the point of wanting to is when you find out if you're actually an alcoholic. If it's at the point of effecting your life in huge ways and you're risking your job, your family, or your way of life and you still don't want to quit, I'd say you're an alcoholic.

Even someone who has one beer every night isn't necessarily an alcoholic. If it's just one every night, I would venture to say they probably aren't.