Sweep Read, Power Read, Jet Read

Illini Run 1:00 in (We got bailed out by the fumble)

Based on the alignment, The Illini kind of telegraphed that play. Running back basically even with the QB, slightly behind but not aligned so that we know that it is an inside Zone Read. With no pulling guard this was a read and Scheelhaase got it right because RG44 sat. With the safties 15 yards off the LOS not a chance that we stop this play for any less than what they got. This is an instance where I will conceit to the fact that this alignment would have worked had we had a DT like Crick where they needed to double team him. Center nudges VV but doesnt engage and he was able to get right to Santos.

Do you think someone missed a call here? Surely our MIKE LB has to be able to recognize this formation. and know that it is a read play.

 
I might be wrong on the one 30 seconds in. It appears that TA is reading the playside DE and that play is either blocked to give to Ameer to run like he did, or for TA to go up the middle. Notice the right side of the line's blocking direction?

 
EZ-E said:
I might be wrong on the one 30 seconds in. It appears that TA is reading the playside DE and that play is either blocked to give to Ameer to run like he did, or for TA to go up the middle. Notice the right side of the line's blocking direction?
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The center and tackle do a good job blocking to the right and the right guard pulls. To me, it is either a planned hand off or if there isn't a guy there for the guard to block then he pulls since more times than not in that play they want it handed off.

And, I don't pretend to be smarter than anyone. Just here for discussion and learning.

 
EZ-E said:
I might be wrong on the one 30 seconds in. It appears that TA is reading the playside DE and that play is either blocked to give to Ameer to run like he did, or for TA to go up the middle. Notice the right side of the line's blocking direction?
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The give away is the formation, like I said several days ago

We are UNBALANCED to the left

The WR covers up the inside receiver (ineligible) and then we have a slot #11 Carter

We have a lead back to the left

The slot has LB, lead back the Safety and the backside LB is the pulling guard

It's maximized for a give sweep- The DE has been coming inside a bit

Im ALMOST positive its same play Cross got safety on

#11 on that play aligned TOO wide, he couldnt make his block on the LB if I remember correctly

If it was a planed keep, or maximized the other way, you wouldnt have seen the RG pull, the would have blocked our right side LB with him.

Also for teams that read that really well and the LBs are racing away with the pulling guard, they will see that and call a keep as well.

 
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If NU was running that play as a true read- they would have had at least one receiver to our right

If NU was running that play as a preset keep- they have 1 or maybe even 2 receivers to our right

When you see a super loaded formation like this- the ball isnt going away from the numbers advantage

Im doubting we see this a bunch more- unless we motion to it

 
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That makes a lot of sense actually.

Noticed against UCLA 2012 that the reads and areas were a lot different. Could that be because they are a 3-4 team???

 
Contrast that vs UCLA 2012 at about the 4:50 mark

This is a sweep read

Both LBs are blocked

No pulling guard

Receivers to both sides 81 is way too wide, he cant make the seal block, if he does and TM hands it off instead of keeping, its a nice gain. 2 ifs that didnt happen



Instead it's a safety

 
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Hayseed said:
This is a great thread ,jmfb. The problem with all these plays is that they work well against weak defenses but the good defenses are 3 yards into the backfield creating havoc before the play has a chance to develop. I do like the straight sweep read better than the zone read though. It makes more sense to have blockers pull and go right to work instead of dancing around and it still gives the qb the option of a counter if the D overplays it. Throw in some power runs straight up the middle and the D has a lot to worry about.
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Oregon has played some talented defenses. Hasn't hampered them much.
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With a strong and talented O-line you can run whatever you want. The Miami line that killed us in the 2001 Champ Game was considered one of the best of all time...were compared to our '94 and '95 lines....they could do whatever they wanted because you couldn't penetrate. Maybe we'll do better now that our line looks better, but judging by how we did against UCLA I think the jury is still out. You can say the same things about any running game but I think the zone read is more vulnerable because of where it starts and the time it takes to develop when compared to the quick hitting power runs where the D has to be in the right place or they're in the secondary before you can blink.

 
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Hayseed said:
EZ-E said:
Hayseed said:
This is a great thread ,jmfb. The problem with all these plays is that they work well against weak defenses but the good defenses are 3 yards into the backfield creating havoc before the play has a chance to develop. I do like the straight sweep read better than the zone read though. It makes more sense to have blockers pull and go right to work instead of dancing around and it still gives the qb the option of a counter if the D overplays it. Throw in some power runs straight up the middle and the D has a lot to worry about.
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Oregon has played some talented defenses. Hasn't hampered them much.
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With a strong and talented O-line you can run whatever you want. The Miami line that killed us in the 2001 Champ Game was considered one of the best of all time...were compared to our '94 and '95 lines....they could do whatever they wanted because you couldn't penetrate. Maybe we'll do better now that our line looks better, but judging by how we did against UCLA I think the jury is still out. You can say the same things about any running game but I think the zone read is more vulnerable because of where it starts and the time it takes to develop when compared to the quick hitting power runs where the D has to be in the right place or they're in the secondary before you can blink.
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Oregon also has a lot of plays go for negative yards. They telegraph each play. We have an adequate OL to be able to run our read plays.

 
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