Athlon: Big Ten Coaches Talk Anonymously About Conference Foes for 2016

[cm husker]

Did you read the post thread? HP13's statement was that a consistent 9-10 win average with no CC's would result in a firing.

It has nothing to do with sideline demeanor.

Did you read post #124?

I started to and then saw it began with an objectively false assertion.

 

[Stumpy1]

Did you read the post thread? HP13's statement was that a consistent 9-10 win average with no CC's would result in a firing.

It has nothing to do with sideline demeanor.

Did you read post #124?

I started to and then saw it began with an objectively false assertion.

What was false about it?

This will be another round of proving you wrong and you will move the goal posts so far that they will be outside the stadium just to save face.

 

[cm husker]

Did you read the post thread? HP13's statement was that a consistent 9-10 win average with no CC's would result in a firing.

It has nothing to do with sideline demeanor.

Did you read post #124?

I started to and then saw it began with an objectively false assertion.

What was false about it?

This will be another round of proving you wrong and you will move the goal posts so far that they will be outside the stadium just to save face.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Eight_Conference_champions

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Did you read the post thread? HP13's statement was that a consistent 9-10 win average with no CC's would result in a firing.

It has nothing to do with sideline demeanor.

Did you read post #124?

I started to and then saw it began with an objectively false assertion.

What was false about it?

This will be another round of proving you wrong and you will move the goal posts so far that they will be outside the stadium just to save face.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Eight_Conference_champions

Thanks for linking a page that shows Nebraska winning 2 conference championships and finishing ranked in the Top 10 6 out of 7 of Osborne's first 7 seasons as head coach.

 

[Stumpy1]

Did you read the post thread? HP13's statement was that a consistent 9-10 win average with no CC's would result in a firing.

It has nothing to do with sideline demeanor.

Did you read post #124?

I started to and then saw it began with an objectively false assertion.

What was false about it?

This will be another round of proving you wrong and you will move the goal posts so far that they will be outside the stadium just to save face.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Eight_Conference_champions

LOL...You just proved yourself wrong.

TO won a conference championship in '75 and '78. If my math adds up, that is 2 within the first 7 years. Sure, they were shared with OU but they are still counted. He also only finished outside the top 10 once in the AP and that was in '77.

So there was nothing really false about his post.

 

[cm husker]

Did NU go to the orange bowl those years? Was NU the highest ranked B8 team at the end of those seasons? Do you guys follow husker football and know any history?

By that logic, Bo won the equivalent of three CCs by going to the CCG.

And if you look back at TO's comments, he talks about not winning one until later and that he was almost fired before the blue bonnet bowl.

 

[Landlord]

By that rationale, NU should have fired Osborne after his 7th season and that's the trouble I have with that rationale.

Osborne through 7 seasons:

7 Top-10 finishes

5 Major bowl appearances

2 Major bowl wins

2 Conference Championships

1 30+ point loss

Pelini through 7 seasons:

0 Top-10 finishes

0 Major bowl appearances

0 Major bowl wins

0 Conference Championships

5 30+ point losses

NU's actions in firing Solich and Pelini are almost unprecedented.

Solich is at least slightly different, but if NU's actions in firing Pelini were almost unprecedented, it's because Pelini's body of work was also almost unprecedented.

 

[Landlord]

By that logic, Bo won the equivalent of three CCs by going to the CCG.

Except by the logic of actually being awarded the title of conference championships, Tom won two, Bo won zero.

 

[I am I]

Did you read the post thread? HP13's statement was that a consistent 9-10 win average with no CC's would result in a firing.

It has nothing to do with sideline demeanor.

People keep saying "well it's a combination of not winning and a poor demeanor."

Letting aside that the sideline issues weren't ever really that bad (not as bad as at least 10 other HCs in CFB) and had improved dramatically in 2013 and 2014, I find that argument lacks integrity.

If a guy's behavior is bad enough to justifying a firing, then winning shouldn't matter. And 90% of people admit that had Bo won they would have overlooked his sideline issues.

So I find that people in that grouping, including the administration, who fall back on saying "well, it was a holistic decision" to be pretty inconsistent and lacking in integrity/intestinal fortitude.

At least people who step up and say "his record just wasn't good enough" have some consistency that I can respect, if not a level of judgment worth trusting.

I was tired of his sideline demeanor. There.. I am One who was tired of it.

 

[Stumpy1]

Did NU go to the orange bowl those years? Was NU the highest ranked B8 team at the end of those seasons? Do you guys follow husker football and know any history?

By that logic, Bo won the equivalent of three CCs by going to the CCG.

And if you look back at TO's comments, he talks about not winning one until later and that he was almost fired before the blue bonnet bowl.

You can stop the goal posts when they get to 1st and Superior. I'm sure that is far enough.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Did NU go to the orange bowl those years? Was NU the highest ranked B8 team at the end of those seasons? Do you guys follow husker football and know any history?

By that logic, Bo won the equivalent of three CCs by going to the CCG.

And if you look back at TO's comments, he talks about not winning one until later and that he was almost fired before the blue bonnet bowl.

I'm still failing to see how Nebraska winning two conference championships and finishing in the Top 10 6/7 of Osborne's first years are, as you put it:

Objectively false.

 

[Husker Psycho]

“I think they could be better on offense, but they need another recruiting class or two to get their guys on the field. The problem with that is it’s Nebraska and they just ran the last guy out for winning nine games a year.”

That's the quote from an anonymous coach talking about Nebraska... from the original post on this thread.

Revisionist history continues unbounded, I see.

(pssst! You forgot to mention anything factually incorrect or revisionist in my post!)

Point is, third party perception is that NU fans are particularly loony.

Other fans may be too but I guess they have intelligent people running the AD and keeping fans out of it because NU is the only program to fire two .700 coaches who weren't involved in scandals.

And that's a bolded quote CM asserting the same thing.

Problem is... both are wrong.

Mark Richt was fired from the University of Georgia in 2015. This was despite having season records of... 13-1, 11-3, 10-2, 10-3, 9-4, 11-2, 10-3, 10-4, 12-2, 10-3, and 9-3.

It's clear that the "anonymous coaches" are not being fair to Nebraska, and have an obvious double standard.

Modern football is a pressure to succeed sport. Nebraska is not the only program aggressively trying to get back to the highest level in college football. And it's blatantly unfair for other "anonymous coaches" to be talking this nonsense about Nebraska.

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[Saunders]

 

[knapplc]

“I think they could be better on offense, but they need another recruiting class or two to get their guys on the field. The problem with that is it’s Nebraska and they just ran the last guy out for winning nine games a year.”

That's the quote from an anonymous coach talking about Nebraska... from the original post on this thread.

It's also a quote from a 2011 interview of Urban Meyer when Sam McKewon asked him about the 2003 Nebraska job:

Part Two of McKewon's interview with Urban Meyer unloads a great tidbit that confirms what most of us thought about Pederson's 2003 termination of Frank Solich and why he couldn't lure Meyer - or anyone else - here:

Q: One last Nebraska question — in late 2003, NU fired its coach, Frank Solich. You were coaching at Utah. Was there any part of you that perhaps thought about looking at the job?

UM: “We actually were contacted by a third party. Not directly. I remember thinking about it. I had such great respect for Solich — he's an Ohio guy who's a good friend of mine — and I didn't agree with everything that went down. He won 10 games that year, right? That was alarming to me. I'm a coach, and whenever I see that happening to a coach, I think there's got to be something behind Door No. 1 to fire him after he won 10 games. I remember having great respect for the school but being concerned about what happened — and why it happened. If 10 games isn't good enough, I'm not sure what is.”

 

[Husker Psycho]

“I think they could be better on offense, but they need another recruiting class or two to get their guys on the field. The problem with that is it’s Nebraska and they just ran the last guy out for winning nine games a year.”

That's the quote from an anonymous coach talking about Nebraska... from the original post on this thread.

It's also a quote from a 2011 interview of Urban Meyer when Sam McKewon asked him about the 2003 Nebraska job:

Part Two of McKewon's interview with Urban Meyer unloads a great tidbit that confirms what most of us thought about Pederson's 2003 termination of Frank Solich and why he couldn't lure Meyer - or anyone else - here:

Q: One last Nebraska question — in late 2003, NU fired its coach, Frank Solich. You were coaching at Utah. Was there any part of you that perhaps thought about looking at the job?

UM: “We actually were contacted by a third party. Not directly. I remember thinking about it. I had such great respect for Solich — he's an Ohio guy who's a good friend of mine — and I didn't agree with everything that went down. He won 10 games that year, right? That was alarming to me. I'm a coach, and whenever I see that happening to a coach, I think there's got to be something behind Door No. 1 to fire him after he won 10 games. I remember having great respect for the school but being concerned about what happened — and why it happened. If 10 games isn't good enough, I'm not sure what is.”

And yet there's Georgia doing the exact same thing to an even higher winning coach... but they got a new top notch coach... and they have the no 4 ranked recruiting class in the country so far this year.

Is Meyer badmouthing them? Nebraska has become an easy target for many people in the college football world who want to keep us down.