Depth Chart for Arkansas State

RedDenver said:
I agree that the evidence isn't conclusive, but I'd also add that it doesn't really suggest that the recruiting is approximately the same either. So I'm not sure it changes anything one way or the other about what was said two years ago.

One thing I'd say is that Pelini missed on recruiting the OL based on there only being 1 senior on the entire OL depth chart. Doesn't necessarily mean Riley's OL recruiting is any better yet though.
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As I said, it's not conclusive but I think it's pretty fair to say there hasn't been a drastic increase.  Probably not even a significant one.

Considering 9 out of the 10 OL on the two-deep are Pelini recruits, I'm not sure where you're drawing that conclusion.  There was one class that wasn't very good - that class would be expected to be seniors this year.  The next two look to be pretty solid.

 
There are also five OL currently on NFL rosters.  Which is another reason that I think the OL has generally gotten too much blame over the last few years (not the same topic as above).

 
Mavric said:
As I said, it's not conclusive but I think it's pretty fair to say there hasn't been a drastic increase.  Probably not even a significant one.

Considering 9 out of the 10 OL on the two-deep are Pelini recruits, I'm not sure where you're drawing that conclusion.  There was one class that wasn't very good - that class would be expected to be seniors this year.  The next two look to be pretty solid.
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2013: Knevel

2014: Gates, Foster, Farmer

So 4 out of 12 on the OL depth chart are Pelini recruits, Gaylord and Decker were in the transition class of 2015, and the other 6 5 are Riley recruits (EDIT: sorry, that's 5 for Riley with 1 additional walk-on in Conrad). Only 1 from 2013 while 3 from 2014, so maybe just one bad class like you said (although Kondolo was a JUCO from that class that also started for 2 years).

 
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Not to toot my own horn (okay, a little bit),," but I told y'all Dismuke was going to be good. Granted, I said freshman All-America good, so that may be a little hyperbole. I believe it was still up in the air if Kalu's switch was final.

God, I hope he doesn't play enough to get that. If Kalu is injured, we may see a lot of trouble.

 
RedDenver said:
2013: Knevel

2014: Gates, Foster, Farmer

So 4 out of 12 on the OL depth chart are Pelini recruits, Gaylord and Decker were in the transition class of 2015, and the other 6 are Riley recruits. Only 1 from 2013 while 3 from 2014, so maybe just one bad class like you said (although Kondolo was a JUCO from that class that also started for 2 years).
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Um, no.  

Boe Wilson is the only one that was recruited by Riley.  All the others in the two-deep were committed to Pelini and his staff.

 
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BigRedBuster said:
Which is not surprising being that it's the O line.
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This is true.

That and OL has generally been the weakest position group recruited by the new staff (rankings-wise).

Edit: Though to be fair they haven't had to recruit a lot of OL because they inherited a few early commits.

 
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Mavric said:
Um, no.  

Boe Wilson is the only one that was recruited by Riley.  All the others in the two-deep were committed to Pelini and his staff.
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Here's the depth chart broken out by recruiting class:

Walk-on: Conrad

Pelini:

2013: Knevel

2014: Gates, Foster, Farmer

Transition:

2015: Barnett, Gaylord, Decker

Riley:

2016: Raridon, Wilson, Farniok

2017: Jaimes

So 4 for Pelini, 4 for Riley, 3 transition, and 1 walk-on.

 
Why are you insisting on not giving credit to the staff that secured each guys' commitment?

 
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Mavric said:
This is true.

That and OL has generally been the weakest position group recruited by the new staff (rankings-wise).
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Not sure I would agree with that as it pertains to kids playing this year.

'17 = .8557

'16 = .8931

'15 = .8875 transition

'14 = .8941

'13 = .8513

The last class and the current class is concerning.  But, the vast majority of O linemen playing this season are going to be from classes 13 - 16.

 
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Mavric said:
Newby over Gifford is surprising.  Gifford got a lot of meida props for making plays in spring and fall.  Newby barely got any.
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This was probably the most surprising part of the depth chart for me. As you said, it doesn't coincide with what we heard all camp.

 
BigRedBuster said:
Not sure I would agree with that as it pertains to kids playing this year.

'17 = .8557

'16 = .8931

'15 = .8875 transition

'14 = .8941

'13 = .8513

The last class and the current class is concerning.  But, the vast majority of O linemen playing this season are going to be from classes 13 - 16.
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The last class and the current class are the only ones recruited entirely by the new staff.  The 2016 class had four OL two of them were committed to the previous staff, one was recruited by both staffs and one totally by the new staff (lowest-rated of the class but that seems to be paying off well).  The 2015 class had two commits to the previous staff and one late grab by the new staff (highest-rated but has a long ways to go to get on the field).

 
RedDenver said:
Because signing is what matters way, way more? You can argue either way, which is why I didn't count the transition class either way.
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It is what matter the most but that's an overly-simplistic way to look at it.  There is a significant difference between "Go find guys and convince them to come here" and "Here's some guys who are set on coming here.  Don't screw it up."

By that logic Tim Beck is an amazing recruiter because he's "recruited" a Top 120 QB in the country each of the last three years.  Even though he's only had to do any actual work on one of them.

 
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