ESPN: Can Riley Fix Nebraska?

1995 Redux said:
You forgot:

Better at playing Wisconsin closr: Riley

Better at getting s#!t stomped by Wisconsin: Bo

Better at upsetting MSU: Tie

Bettwr at getting s#!t stomped by Ohio State: Tie
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Better at beating Illinois: Bo

Better at beating Purdue: Bo

Better at game ending Hail Marys: Bo

 
Why does every topic that questions Riley turn into a pissing contest about Bo vs. Riley?

Can't we judge the merits of a coach independently?

 
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Did he say he was happy with the status quo? If so, it must have been in a different quote you didn't include.

It is a fact that Bo Pelini won the division several times. That doesn't mean I was happy with the status of the program when he left.

 
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neepster said:
Really?  I have to admit I didn't do the math on the recuiting classes but if I remember correctly the classes we had with Bo were typically ranked in the 30s, while with Rilely we seem to be in the 20s.  But I haven't done the averages.  And of course everyone here keeps saying how he is so much better of a recruiter than Bo was and how Bo's teams just kept getting worse because he hated recruiting.
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Per 247 Composite:

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
 02    .8316    18  (2)
 03    .8316    19  (2)
 04    .8237    20  (2)
 05*   .8523    32  (7)
 06*   .8493    22  (5)
 07*   .8587    26  (6)
 08    .8449    29  (3)
 09    .8580    19  (2)
 10*   .8642    20  (5)
 11    .8832    21  (9)
 12    .8773    17  (8)
 13    .8655    24  (7)
 14    .8601    25  (2)
 15    .8617    21  (4)
 16    .8707    21  (5) 17    .8758    20  (5)* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

 
QMany said:
Did he say he was happy with the status quo? If so, it must have been in a different quote you didn't include.

It is a fact that Bo Pelini won the division several times. That doesn't mean I was happy with the status of the program when he left.
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Bo did some good things at NU.  I really enjoyed watching those teams during the division championship seasons.  Yeah, it sucked when they lost the conference title game, especially the Wisconsin debacle.  I agree that I was becoming less happy with the direction of the program under Bo, and wasn't heartbroken when he was fired.

However, when I see the direction of the program under Riley, it looks much worse to me.

 
Mavric said:
If you have a more objective way to rate the classes, please let us all know.

And calling them "arbitrary" is to be willfully ignorant of how it works.
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There is no system that does it justice, you know this.  Stop being difficult.  The only way to gauge a player in HS is by looking at their play at the next level, impossible.  And even that is hard to guage considering who they play for and talent surrounding them.

Pretending the player rankings is fail safe is being willfully ignorant.

 
1995 Redux said:
There is no system that does it justice, you know this.  Stop being difficult.  The only way to gauge a player in HS is by looking at their play at the next level, impossible.  And even that is hard to guage considering who they play for and talent surrounding them.

Pretending the player rankings is fail safe is being willfully ignorant.
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No.  Wanting to totally discount them is refusing to believe the facts in front of you.

Accusing me of saying or even thinking they are "fail safe" is a fiction created entirely by you.

Are they perfect?  Of course not.  Over a sufficiently large sample size are they a pretty good indicator?  Yes.  Are they the best we have to go on?  Yes.

 
Mavric said:
Are they perfect?  Of course not.  Over a sufficiently large sample size are they a pretty good indicator?  Yes.  Are they the best we have to go on?  Yes.
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And I don't didagree with this, so you saying 

If you have a more objective way to rate the classes, please let us all know.
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Is just you trying to be snotty.  I was merely saying they don't  tell the whole story, same with on field records.

 
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Mavric said:
Per 247 Composite:

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
 02    .8316    18  (2)
 03    .8316    19  (2)
 04    .8237    20  (2)
 05*   .8523    32  (7)
 06*   .8493    22  (5)
 07*   .8587    26  (6)
 08    .8449    29  (3)
 09    .8580    19  (2)
 10*   .8642    20  (5)
 11    .8832    21  (9)
 12    .8773    17  (8)
 13    .8655    24  (7)
 14    .8601    25  (2)
 15    .8617    21  (4)
 16    .8707    21  (5) 17    .8758    20  (5)* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings
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So the last 3 years of Bo had more 4 stars then Riley's first 3 years.  

 
Better at having to leave a game to go to the hospital:  Bo

Better at living in a hotel and learning the names of the wait staff:  Riley

 
Mavric said:
Per 247 Composite:

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
 02    .8316    18  (2)
 03    .8316    19  (2)
 04    .8237    20  (2)
 05*   .8523    32  (7)
 06*   .8493    22  (5)
 07*   .8587    26  (6)
 08    .8449    29  (3)
 09    .8580    19  (2)
 10*   .8642    20  (5)
 11    .8832    21  (9)
 12    .8773    17  (8)
 13    .8655    24  (7)
 14    .8601    25  (2)
 15    .8617    21  (4)
 16    .8707    21  (5) 17    .8758    20  (5)* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings
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Thanks for this.  I also added Rival's rankings and here is the new table.  Then I made some plots in JMP.


Class


Average


Recruit Ct


#4*


Rivals Rank


Recruiter


 02


 .8316


 18


 (2)


39


Solich


 03


 .8316


 19


 (2)


42


Solich


 04


 .8237


 20


 (2)


27


Callahan


 05*


0.8523


 32


 (7)


5


Callahan


 06*


0.8493


 22


 (5)


20


Callahan


 07*


0.8587


 26


 (6)


13


Callahan


 08


 .8449


 29


 (3)


30


Callahan


 09


 .8580


 19


 (2)


28


Pelini


 10*


0.8642


 20


 (5)


22


Pelini


 11


 .8832


 21


 (9)


15


Pelini


 12


 .8773


 17


 (8)


25


Pelini


 13


 .8655


 24


 (7)


17


Pelini


 14


 .8601


 25


 (2)


32


Pelini


 15


 .8617


 21


 (4)


31


Pelini


 16


 .8707


 21


 (5)


24


Riley


 17


 .8758


 20


 (5)


20


Riley


18


 


 


 


51*


Riley



I didn't count the current recruiting year since obviously that is not done yet.

It is close but at least in Average (not sure what that is) Riley is ahead of Pelini.  Same thing with Rival's ranking.  Riley is slightly lower/better.  Pelini has a slight edge on average # of 4* recruits (by 0.25 per year).  But it is indeed close no matter which way you slice it.

The things that stand out here are:

Callahan was by far the best recruiter by 'class rank' but is worse than Pelini or Riley by Average...

Solich had two really bad years recruiting right at the end

Callahan had an amazing 2005 class (inc. Suh).

Riley and Pelini are closer in recruiting performance on average than I expected

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