2024 Fall Camp Notes - Receivers & Tight Ends
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Red Five
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Because we aren't living in the 90s or 00s or the 10s anymore. In the new era of college football (transfer portal, roster limits), redshirts are something for just linemen who need to physically mature IMO. You don't worry if a guy can help you 3 years down the road (because chances are he will probably have hit the portal by then), you get him on the field ASAP if he is able.
Coleman is supposedly super athletic (and was talked about as an OLB or DE coming out of HS). If he is that athletic you have to find a way to get him on the field. Could he help on kick coverage or as someone who can come off the edge and rush the punter?
I get that we had to throw him into the fire last year out of necessity, but he was a top 100 recruit at a skill position. Those are guys who should be ready to go day 1.
Caliborn72
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Yeah that’s a pretty telling statement. There have been some strange moments to his story here. Hoping it comes together for him.
Mierin
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Don’t agree with any of this. You don’t burn a redshirt if you plan to only play someone on ST, especially when you can play them for 4 important games instead.
Unless the player really wants to do that and I think that would be unlikely, if he knows it’s ST.
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teachercd
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I think coaches are trying to figure out how to use redshirts now...
They might sort of be a thing of the past when it comes to freshmen year.
Mierin
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I’m all for playing true freshman (or true sophomore in this weird case) and burning their redshirts if they’re going to get playing time, except if it’s only on ST.
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teachercd
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Same...
There might be a few players that are cool with it but I would imagine most would not be.
I would guess it's a combination of guys currently ahead of him and him missing a lot of the offseason due to being injured. He's an athlete who needs so refinement as a D1 receiver. He missed a lot of opportunities to work on the little things.
floridacorn
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Agreed, but brides shouldn't cut grooms off until the wedding night after they've already been "dating", and players shouldn't redshirt once they've lettered sans injury. The trajectory doesn't have to be a steady ascent, but running with the scout team after starting games seems like an unnecessary ego and morale test. Guess we'll see if it's the right call down the line.
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Mierin
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If they think he can’t crack the depth chart but has a ton of potential to start next year, it’s best to be real with him about it. I really doubt the way the convo works is that they just told him he’d redshirt. In a press conference a week or 2 ago Rhule talked about discussing with Kaelin and his parents not burning his redshirt just to hand the ball off, and also mentioned wanting Kaelin’s 4 games to be available at a time they really need him (if there are injuries). Which is why (my words) he didn’t play against UTEP.
My assumption is they think Coleman will be special but he was put behind the 8 ball due to the injury, and they have 2 senior starters right now so he’s a lot less likely to win the job, due to those setbacks, this year than next year. They are hopefully smart enough to make sure they understand whether this would send him to the transfer portal, and that’d happen by discussing it with him.
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BigRedBuster
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What a great place we are in at WR. I’d love for Coleman to be playing and lighting it up. But, I also love it that we are so deep with good WRs.
The Dude
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It seemed like fewer guys left the program this last offseason than any offseason I can remember. Even before the transfer portal and all that.
I get what you're saying, and I generally agree, I just don't think it applies that much to Rhule and how he runs his program. His approach has always been about developing players.
He also plans on redshirting Kaelin, if possible. I would have never predicted that, for the reasons you stated.
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Archy1221
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I think it’s all about Malachi when it comes to redshirt or not. It’s incumbent on him to play well enough in practice to make Rhule put him on the field on GameDays. He needs to show he is the better option than the others.
It doesn’t seem like he is currently doing that, whether because of injury or some other reason.
It doesn’t seem like he is currently doing that, whether because of injury or some other reason.
Undone
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After just one game, you can obviously see why Coleman can't consistently get above Banks & Neyor on the depth chart. But, he's really long and athletic.
So this goes back to a lot of conversations (I've maybe just been having with myself) on this forum over the past two months: I think it's more about the scheme we're playing that's keeping him off the field.
If we were playing in lots and lots of 11 man then I can't see why you wouldn't want him out there with Banks & Neyor. But it's just not the kind of football this staff wants to run at all. They want a husky fella out there that can flex into a slot position or line up big against a tackle to play in either 12 or 21/22 man stuff.
Judging by the plays we ran against UTEP and stuff we heard in the offseason we're just not going to be running all that many plays on a consistent basis where you'd have three of our true receiver bodied-guys split out wide.
So this goes back to a lot of conversations (I've maybe just been having with myself) on this forum over the past two months: I think it's more about the scheme we're playing that's keeping him off the field.
If we were playing in lots and lots of 11 man then I can't see why you wouldn't want him out there with Banks & Neyor. But it's just not the kind of football this staff wants to run at all. They want a husky fella out there that can flex into a slot position or line up big against a tackle to play in either 12 or 21/22 man stuff.
Judging by the plays we ran against UTEP and stuff we heard in the offseason we're just not going to be running all that many plays on a consistent basis where you'd have three of our true receiver bodied-guys split out wide.
gobiggergoredder
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Still don’t think the QB at Lincoln East for Coleman’s JR year gets enough credit. He was solid.