Should we fire Satterfield??

[GlobalHusker]

Came across an article… it’s just one player’s opinion, but curious if this is how an opposing DB is thinking/playing….how would a DC be when dissecting our offense and plays?

“It was a relief for sure. The defense was out there fighting. I saw they were repeating older routes. After watching film, I noticed what they were doing and I didn’t really get depth on the post, so I just stayed there. The ball felt like it took 20 seconds to get to me even though it was only two seconds, but overall, it was awesome.”

The comment about running "old routes" doesn't sound like a great thing for the Nebraska football team. Perhaps Satterfield or Rhule will explain during prep for the UCLA game next Saturday. For now, it sounds like Satterfield's playcalling was so predictable, Hancock was able to see a pattern.

https://huskercorner.com/ohio-state-db-nebraska-football-playcalling-01jb61tyhxme

 

[Wistrom Disciple]

Came across an article… it’s just one player’s opinion, but curious if this is how an opposing DB is thinking/playing….how would a DC be when dissecting our offense and plays?

“It was a relief for sure. The defense was out there fighting. I saw they were repeating older routes. After watching film, I noticed what they were doing and I didn’t really get depth on the post, so I just stayed there. The ball felt like it took 20 seconds to get to me even though it was only two seconds, but overall, it was awesome.”

The comment about running "old routes" doesn't sound like a great thing for the Nebraska football team. Perhaps Satterfield or Rhule will explain during prep for the UCLA game next Saturday. For now, it sounds like Satterfield's playcalling was so predictable, Hancock was able to see a pattern.

https://huskercorner.com/ohio-state-db-nebraska-football-playcalling-01jb61tyhxme

I think Mr. Hancock guessed correctly on the interception, but don't know that it was because of an "old route" versus just a bit of luck. On the play (cued here),  the play call was drawn to be a skinny post which is indicated by Dylan throwing the ball before Neyor even had his head turned. I suspect the route had more flexibility if the receiver beat a DB or the defensive set allowed for the adjustment. Neyor beat his coverage and adjusts the route into a fade/go route which is why the replay shows him only peeling back when recognizing the throw was already made as the interception was being caught. Had Dylan been able to wait that half a second and recognize the adjustment being made, he likely would've been able to adjust and thrown Neyor a deep ball downfield. 

So I think the article above is misleading. Our calls might have seemed more basic after they got their clocks cleaned by the Oregon receivers two weeks prior. However, I'm surprised Dylan completed 65% of his passes and they only got the one turnover if our calls were so old and basic. Factor in some nice help from the incorrect OPI calls and Ohio State's secondary looks much more average than elite. 

 

[I am I]

Please God....for everything that is good.  Start figuring out how to make the defense pay for being so aggressive in defending the screen passes.  There has to be counter plays that do that.  It has to be something that is well known in the OC world.  If they can figure that out, then maybe there was an ounce of good that could come from calling 33 screen plays per game.

I have been a big proponent of traps and draws. 
there are easy and simple plays that have worked for generations. Draws and traps. Backdoor traps and fake screen delayed draws.  Once the defense commits on a screen or two, backdoor their asses w a delayed draw.  Osborne and Kelly when at Oregon were masters at this. 

 

[I am I]

And now that I’m thinking of it, the most glaring and obvious plays we DONT run are draws. Especially if we have defenses that are over pursuing  and our O-line is weak at spots. At least two or three per game well timed on 2nd-3rd and medium. Let em charge upfield and or run to a screen and slip underneath.  
we have zero trap or draw game. (Let me stress…an inside trap game. We pull plenty of TE or back Tackle to trap the edge) 

 

[Undone]

If you're familiar with how Narduzzi plays defense, he's essentially funneling your entire offense into throwing 9 routes and comebacks.  That's a very simplified version of it, but it's his core philosophy.  As an offense, you can swim upstream against this look, or take your shots.  

Absolutely, yes.

I know we did start to take some shots by late in the 2nd quarter against Ohio State. Honestly, scrutinizing what happened in the Ohio State game relative to the topic of firing Satterfield is almost kind of dumb; we just weren't going to win this game in all liklihood.

It's all about finding some kind of new groove in this UCLA game. It's not time to panic, but this week I'm hoping we're practicing something at least slightly different in the run game. We can't just ask these backs to run inside zone and then be in 3rd & long all game and act surprised that it's happening. 

 

[Undone]

5 hours ago, floridacorn said:

Man this is pure gold, and in the actual game footage the way the corner bites on the shoulder fake to the wide screen to release the 'Y' is so good.

Sadly, Rhule just doesn't really want to line up this way all that much. We've seen it this year, the formation is in the playbook.

What I love is the option to go to the shallow sideline throw if needed.

 

[Huskers93-97]

I think Mr. Hancock guessed correctly on the interception, but don't know that it was because of an "old route" versus just a bit of luck. On the play (cued here),  the play call was drawn to be a skinny post which is indicated by Dylan throwing the ball before Neyor even had his head turned. I suspect the route had more flexibility if the receiver beat a DB or the defensive set allowed for the adjustment. Neyor beat his coverage and adjusts the route into a fade/go route which is why the replay shows him only peeling back when recognizing the throw was already made as the interception was being caught. Had Dylan been able to wait that half a second and recognize the adjustment being made, he likely would've been able to adjust and thrown Neyor a deep ball downfield. 

So I think the article above is misleading. Our calls might have seemed more basic after they got their clocks cleaned by the Oregon receivers two weeks prior. However, I'm surprised Dylan completed 65% of his passes and they only got the one turnover if our calls were so old and basic. Factor in some nice help from the incorrect OPI calls and Ohio State's secondary looks much more average than elite. 

I don’t know the exact stats but huge majority of the completions were like less than 2 yard passes that got tackled for no gain. So don’t read into 65% that much 

 

[floridacorn]

Man this is pure gold, and in the actual game footage the way the corner bites on the shoulder fake to the wide screen to release the 'Y' is so good.

Sadly, Rhule just doesn't really want to line up this way all that much. We've seen it this year, the formation is in the playbook.

What I love is the option to go to the shallow sideline throw if needed.

Stalk and Go can be run with 2 off the bubble look  vs this smoke screen look and a lot of people run this version effectively motioning the 3rd WR in.  You can run smoke with 2 as well, but it probably needs some play action to freeze the overhang defender.  Bubble/slant is a combo that really screws CB's into the ground as well.  To OP ?, yes, there are natural counters to a defense jumping your quick screen game.  

 

[Savage Husker]

I hesitate to say this because the they played so well for the vast majority of the game. But, I would say the defense was the side that melted down at the end giving up that drive that they hadn’t done all game. 
 

Even though, that last drive was frustrating. 

That’s fair, and I understand that - the defense needs to bow up too and no excuse to the defense, however, I’ve also witnessed this offense dribble down their leg in more opportunities. Gotta put together some GW drives in 2-min drill timeframe.

 

[Wistrom Disciple]

I don’t know the exact stats but huge majority of the completions were like less than 2 yard passes that got tackled for no gain. So don’t read into 65% that much 

Sure, but again, the premise was that the defender said he and the defense knew what routes were coming because the routes were old. And yet they couldn't cause more turnovers or shut us out in either half.

 

[BigRedBuster]

That’s fair, and I understand that - the defense needs to bow up too and no excuse to the defense, however, I’ve also witnessed this offense dribble down their leg in more opportunities. Gotta put together some GW drives in 2-min drill timeframe.

Yep.

 

[gossamorharpy]

Absolutely, yes.

I know we did start to take some shots by late in the 2nd quarter against Ohio State. Honestly, scrutinizing what happened in the Ohio State game relative to the topic of firing Satterfield is almost kind of dumb; we just weren't going to win this game in all liklihood.

It's all about finding some kind of new groove in this UCLA game. It's not time to panic, but this week I'm hoping we're practicing something at least slightly different in the run game. We can't just ask these backs to run inside zone and then be in 3rd & long all game and act surprised that it's happening. 

Agree with you on the scrutinizing against the buckeyes, it’s an exercise in futility given the line ended at 26.5 and we could’ve won.

I’m already in panic mode due to everything before Ohio state. We’ve seen the same, bland, incoherent game-plan now against Purdue, Rutgers, Indiana and Ohio state. I think this is simply who we are, unfortunately.

i hear ya on the 3rd and long concern. That’s probably my biggest gripe with satts sick and twisted infatuation with the screens. 27% of our completions on Saturday resulted in zero or negative yards.  Satt and Rhule all off-season stated how critical it was to be 2nd and manageable- I take that to assume 2nd and 6 at worst most downs… yet we continue to ruin drives and take plays out of the playbook when we are constantly at 2nd and 10 or worst with these baffling call designs.

i want Dylan under center more in a single back formation, work some play action and bootlegs off it, he has a cannon- start working some out routes to open up slants and middle of the field more. We have a qb who can make every throw and we’re holding him back

 

[BigRedBuster]

Agree with you on the scrutinizing against the buckeyes, it’s an exercise in futility given the line ended at 26.5 and we could’ve won.

I’m already in panic mode due to everything before Ohio state. We’ve seen the same, bland, incoherent game-plan now against Purdue, Rutgers, Indiana and Ohio state. I think this is simply who we are, unfortunately.

i hear ya on the 3rd and long concern. That’s probably my biggest gripe with satts sick and twisted infatuation with the screens. 27% of our completions on Saturday resulted in zero or negative yards.  Satt and Rhule all off-season stated how critical it was to be 2nd and manageable- I take that to assume 2nd and 6 at worst most downs… yet we continue to ruin drives and take plays out of the playbook when we are constantly at 2nd and 10 or worst with these baffling call designs.

i want Dylan under center more in a single back formation, work some play action and bootlegs off it, he has a cannon- start working some out routes to open up slants and middle of the field more. We have a qb who can make every throw and we’re holding him back

I don't disagree with you.  But, I'm not going to go as far as your last sentence.  He has proven pretty regularly that he over throws deep balls to wide open receivers.  Now, I think that's fixable and I would much rather have that than a QB that can't get it there.  But, he has plenty that he needs to get better at before I'm willing to just say...he can make every throw.

 

[Undone]

i want Dylan under center more in a single back formation, work some play action and bootlegs off it, he has a cannon- start working some out routes to open up slants and middle of the field more. We have a qb who can make every throw and we’re holding him back

I think this is a pretty accurate take. We're at least not utilizing what he can probably do best at.

The play action & bootlegs have dwindled to my eye as well, agreed there also. It's like, what are we scared of? Rhule told us they were going to be aggressive and now we're anything but.

He said in year one "we're not going to be a spread offense," then we start lining up in shotgun a ton and trying to run slow-moving zone read run plays out of it. We're not "four guys wide" all the time, but I really do think the coaches are experiencing some kind of collision with what they thought they wanted to do this season and what they think they should do.

 

[Husker in WI]

i want Dylan under center more in a single back formation, work some play action and bootlegs off it, he has a cannon- start working some out routes to open up slants and middle of the field more. We have a qb who can make every throw and we’re holding him back

I think this is a pretty accurate take. We're at least not utilizing what he can probably do best at.

The play action & bootlegs have dwindled to my eye as well, agreed there also. It's like, what are we scared of? Rhule told us they were going to be aggressive and now we're anything but.

He said in year one "we're not going to be a spread offense," then we start lining up in shotgun a ton and trying to run slow-moving zone read run plays out of it. We're not "four guys wide" all the time, but I really do think the coaches are experiencing some kind of collision with what they thought they wanted to do this season and what they think they should do.

I also wouldn't mind more bootlegs and play action, but those are both textbook examples of things you lean on  your QB can't make every throw and/or struggles reading defenses. I would also guess we throw significantly more go routes than the average team, but whether it's attempting to draw PI or just throwing based on where the coverage is they are almost all back shoulder throws which don't feel as much like an aggressive play. But the playcall itself might be intended as a deep shot. 

It doesn't help that the two most memorable shots taken this season are probably the misses to Lindemeyer against Illinois and Banks last week. How different is our season if we connect on those 2? Not saying there wouldn't be complaints about Satterfield still, and I think a number of the complaints are totally justified. But IMO saying we've missed the shots we've taken is more accurate than saying we don't take any shots.

As a bonus to the Satterfield haters though, you can give more credit Dylan for taking both of those shots. Satt wasn't necessarily going for the kill shot against Illinois, the first read was the flat route but it was covered. And Rhule said Dylan checked to the rub route Saturday, so also not the play that was called initially. And I know neither of those were 50 yard bombs or anything - I do think it's a waste of Lloyd's speed to not throw one up to him at least once a game. But maybe we're calling those and it's not open, I don't have the all-22 film.