Should we fire Satterfield??

[gossamorharpy]

I don't disagree with you.  But, I'm not going to go as far as your last sentence.  He has proven pretty regularly that he over throws deep balls to wide open receivers.  Now, I think that's fixable and I would much rather have that than a QB that can't get it there.  But, he has plenty that he needs to get better at before I'm willing to just say...he can make every throw.

He has lazy footwork and leans back far too often, at times falling back. It screams of casual backyard football you see at the high school level. This is 100% fixable and if that’s the only major flaw in a 18 year old true freshman qb I’ll take it. 
 

we shouldn’t forget the first month of the season.. he was dropping deep dimes from game 1- he’s capable of it, it’s just for whatever reason we’ve flatlined and at time regressed… probably a mix of playing better teams talent and scheme wise but there’s been one too many examples where the loft pass isn’t needed and he does It anyways 

 

[gossamorharpy]

I also wouldn't mind more bootlegs and play action, but those are both textbook examples of things you lean on  your QB can't make every throw and/or struggles reading defenses. I would also guess we throw significantly more go routes than the average team, but whether it's attempting to draw PI or just throwing based on where the coverage is they are almost all back shoulder throws which don't feel as much like an aggressive play. But the playcall itself might be intended as a deep shot. 

It doesn't help that the two most memorable shots taken this season are probably the misses to Lindemeyer against Illinois and Banks last week. How different is our season if we connect on those 2? Not saying there wouldn't be complaints about Satterfield still, and I think a number of the complaints are totally justified. But IMO saying we've missed the shots we've taken is more accurate than saying we don't take any shots.

As a bonus to the Satterfield haters though, you can give more credit Dylan for taking both of those shots. Satt wasn't necessarily going for the kill shot against Illinois, the first read was the flat route but it was covered. And Rhule said Dylan checked to the rub route Saturday, so also not the play that was called initially. And I know neither of those were 50 yard bombs or anything - I do think it's a waste of Lloyd's speed to not throw one up to him at least once a game. But maybe we're calling those and it's not open, I don't have the all-22 film.

In your bolded, I feel like it’s more of en excuse for teams with a shaky line or a qb who lacks pocket presence. For our team as it stands today, I think it would work wonders to make the defense pause, even for a split second, and have to decide if it’s a run or pass the offense is running. We are so very predictable with what we’re gonna run, based off our formation, even more so when often we are in 2nd and long to the first.  
 

that’s why I’d love more under center single back looks. You can run out of it, pass out of it and do the PA/bootleg type calls that aim to deceive 

 

[Husker in WI]

In your bolded, I feel like it’s more of en excuse for teams with a shaky line or a qb who lacks pocket presence. For our team as it stands today, I think it would work wonders to make the defense pause, even for a split second, and have to decide if it’s a run or pass the offense is running. We are so very predictable with what we’re gonna run, based off our formation, even more so when often we are in 2nd and long to the first.  
 

that’s why I’d love more under center single back looks. You can run out of it, pass out of it and do the PA/bootleg type calls that aim to deceive 

We run a decent number of RPOs and called runs that have a pass options for loaded boxes, which are intended to do that but better. Doesn't matter what they guess or how quickly, we should be able to make them wrong after the snap. We just kinda suck at the things needed to make that work like perimeter blocking, breaking tackles at the second/third levels, and at times making the right read (although that could be the OC too). 

I definitely wouldn't mind more play action and bootlegs, I just don't think we are a playcalling style adjustment away from a much improved offense. Until the poor perimeter blocking and lack of YAC from backs get better, teams can bog down our running game and stay over the top on the passing game at the same time. Maybe more playaction helps that some, but it's not like they are sending the safeties screaming up to the line when it looks like a run. 

 

[Archy1221]

i want Dylan under center more in a single back formation, work some play action and bootlegs off it, he has a cannon- start working some out routes to open up slants and middle of the field more. We have a qb who can make every throw and we’re holding him back

This is absolutely what needs to happen.  
 

Also teach the kid to throw the our routes sooner and give the receivers a chance to catch and run before the boundary or defender become an issue. 

 

[Undone]

It doesn't help that the two most memorable shots taken this season are probably the misses to Lindenmeyer against Illinois and Banks last week. How different is our season if we connect on those 2? Not saying there wouldn't be complaints about Satterfield still, and I think a number of the complaints are totally justified. But IMO saying we've missed the shots we've taken is more accurate than saying we don't take any shots.

As a bonus to the Satterfield haters though, you can give more credit Dylan for taking both of those shots. Satt wasn't necessarily going for the kill shot against Illinois, the first read was the flat route but it was covered.

The season absolutely has a much different (better) feel to it if we win the Illinois game. Of course, maybe Lindenmeyer doesn't even make the catch even if the throw hits him right in the hands, and maybe our defense gives up a score and we still lose in overtime even if he had. They had 3:00 left in that one; I know we did stop them when they got the ball back after our missed field goal, but it's still all hypothetical.

This was not the point you were making at all, but tangentially I think fans often times make way too much of the late-game gaffes either way. The Illinois game was good for us on offense as a whole IMO - but yes, making that TD reception there and hanging on for the win changes the entire season, most likely.

The Rutgers & Indiana games were not good on offense for us. We looked bad most of the game in both.

It is currently too early to talk about firing Satterfield for me, I'm just using this thread as a discussion on what we're doing and not doing. If we lose to UCLA something like 17-14 in a game where we again look like we did against Rutgers & Indiana on offense, yes, Satterfield is absolutely on the hot seat.

 

[DefenderAO]

The season absolutely has a much different (better) feel to it if we win the Illinois game. Of course, maybe Lindenmeyer doesn't even make the catch even if the throw hits him right in the hands, and maybe our defense gives up a score and we still lose in overtime even if he had. They had 3:00 left in that one; I know we did stop them when they got the ball back after our missed field goal, but it's still all hypothetical.

This was not the point you were making at all, but tangentially I think fans often times make way too much of the late-game gaffes either way. The Illinois game was good for us on offense as a whole IMO - but yes, making that TD reception there and hanging on for the win changes the entire season, most likely.

The Rutgers & Indiana games were not good on offense for us. We looked bad most of the game in both.

It is currently too early to talk about firing Satterfield for me, I'm just using this thread as a discussion on what we're doing and not doing. If we lose to UCLA something like 17-14 in a game where we again look like we did against Rutgers & Indiana on offense, yes, Satterfield is absolutely on the hot seat.

Satterfield is already on the hot seat.  If he isn't, then there is something systemically broken with this Staff, and it would start with the top man.

Marcus does not call a game, in any fashion, that matches Rhule's strategy and intent for the team.  The dichotomy of call and results to Rhule's vision of the program cannot be overstated.   

The Ford CEO says they need more truck sales for market share and relevance and the Chief Sales Officer is focused on air fresheners for the eco-friendly two door hatchbacks.  

As a bonus, the CSO and his sales people don't know what the actual MPG is for any vehicle in Ford's line-up or what is market-competitive for that vehicle type.  The pine green floral is quite the smell, however 

 

[Hilltop]

Marcus does not call a game, in any fashion, that matches Rhule's strategy and intent for the team.

I get your point and sentiment but I think you are making too many assumptions.  MR is absolutely involved with offensive strategy on a week by week basis.  No, he doesn't call the play by play, but he does have input even as the game goes along.  

I do think Satt is a problem but he isn't out in left field by himself making these decisions.  

 

[DefenderAO]

I get your point and sentiment but I think you are making too many assumptions.  MR is absolutely involved with offensive strategy on a week by week basis.  No, he doesn't call the play by play, but he does have input even as the game goes along.  

I do think Satt is a problem but he isn't out in left field by himself making these decisions.  

At what point does "stop throwing screens" fit into this high level strategic collab?  How do these screens, and the current run game, fit into Rhule's vision of physically dominating other teams?  

Dominance isn't just about the weight room, its technique and personnel fits.  Rhule is accountable for all of those aspects.  Satterfield is responsible for Offensive success.  What have we seen in Satt's past and in 1.7 seasons screams Satterfield is the guy to steer this Offense...especially after him being exposed in last week's presser?

 

[floridacorn]

i want Dylan under center more in a single back formation, work some play action and bootlegs off it

I've been surprised how much they ran out of the gun the past 2 weeks, especially early.  

The play action & bootlegs have dwindled to my eye as well, agreed there also. It's like, what are we scared of?

They've been getting heat off the edge on these plays since early in the season because they we're calling them when they wanted/needed to call a shot play vs when the defense was breaking discipline vs the run.  Waggle plays vs bootlegs are how you combat that.  The fake side guard pulls with the bootleg, seals the edge, and keeps the QB in the pocket.  

Husker in WI referenced the Illinois miss to Lindenmeyer.  That was off a variation of the Spider 2 Y Banana play Gruden was fond of highlighting on the QB school.  I think plays in that vein are begging to be called on earlier run downs vs the short yardage situation that was called in.  Quick hitter, easy pitch and catch play action passes to the flat that aren't dependent on WR blocking.  

 

[Hilltop]

At what point does "stop throwing screens" fit into this high level strategic collab?  How do these screens, and the current run game, fit into Rhule's vision of physically dominating other teams?  

Dominance isn't just about the weight room, its technique and personnel fits.  Rhule is accountable for all of those aspects.  Satterfield is responsible for Offensive success.  What have we seen in Satt's past and in 1.7 seasons screams Satterfield is the guy to steer this Offense...especially after him being exposed in last week's presser?

Here are Matt's comments regarding the screens...  

 

[Husker in WI]

At what point does "stop throwing screens" fit into this high level strategic collab?  How do these screens, and the current run game, fit into Rhule's vision of physically dominating other teams?  

Dominance isn't just about the weight room, its technique and personnel fits.  Rhule is accountable for all of those aspects.  Satterfield is responsible for Offensive success.  What have we seen in Satt's past and in 1.7 seasons screams Satterfield is the guy to steer this Offense...especially after him being exposed in last week's presser?

I think our OL has improved and is a capable unit. In no world were they going to physically dominate OSU's front this year. I do think we should have adjusted to other ideas quicker and Rhule should definitely evaluate other options for OC in the offseason. But the reality is we would have had 150 total yards if we just tried to blow OSU off the ball in the run game and checked up deep balls. We don't have the horses.

Re: the comments from last week, seems like most people in coaching understood it as Satt talking about 4-6 yards being a successful/efficient play (for most downs and distances). He was not literally saying "our goal is to end up with 60 plays for 240-300 yards," and then got flustered when he clearly wasn't answering the question how it was asked. Not a good look by any means, and as a P4 OC you have to handle that better. Or at least clarify once the reporter emphasizes the number he's talking about if you weren't. But I think he pretty clearly was answering some form of "how many yards does an individual play need to get for you to consider it good," and that's a very different question than what should you be averaging per play over the course of a game/season.

 

[DefenderAO]

Here are Matt's comments regarding the screens...  View attachment 21674

It hasn't worked through the entire B1G schedule to date.  Our receivers cannot block.

It's now getting highlighted?  

 

[gossamorharpy]

The season absolutely has a much different (better) feel to it if we win the Illinois game. Of course, maybe Lindenmeyer doesn't even make the catch even if the throw hits him right in the hands, and maybe our defense gives up a score and we still lose in overtime even if he had. They had 3:00 left in that one; I know we did stop them when they got the ball back after our missed field goal, but it's still all hypothetical.

This was not the point you were making at all, but tangentially I think fans often times make way too much of the late-game gaffes either way. The Illinois game was good for us on offense as a whole IMO - but yes, making that TD reception there and hanging on for the win changes the entire season, most likely.

The Rutgers & Indiana games were not good on offense for us. We looked bad most of the game in both.

It is currently too early to talk about firing Satterfield for me, I'm just using this thread as a discussion on what we're doing and not doing. If we lose to UCLA something like 17-14 in a game where we again look like we did against Rutgers & Indiana on offense, yes, Satterfield is absolutely on the hot seat.

This is very true. What sucks in our case is we’ve simply been burned for 11 years now in late game situations? Whatever the year was where Bo kept pulling those ridiculous late wins out of his a$$ felt like he took the next 15 years of goodwill late wins from the progrum lol

this is also y I think many think the sky is falling, simply cause it feels like the same ole song and dance despite there being clear things headed in the right direction 

 

[Undone]

What have we seen in Satt's past and in 1.7 seasons screams Satterfield is the guy to steer this Offense...

Just pointing out that this is again a mentality that subtly suggests that there are only two options:

• Satterfield's tenure here thus far "screams" him being the guy to steer our offense.
  
• Satterfield is complete garbage and should be fired today.
  

Last year we didn't really have a QB, at least not one that could keep turnovers to a minimum. This year, we're 5-3 where we beat a team that is currently ranked, and then the three losses came to teams that are currently ranked #4, #13, and #24.

In the loss to to Illinois (currently ranked #24) we put up quite a few yards and attacked in the end zone all game.

If he gets fired I won't be disappointed at all. I'm just saying that these last four games could technically go much better on offense.

 

[BigRedBuster]

He has lazy footwork and leans back far too often, at times falling back. It screams of casual backyard football you see at the high school level. This is 100% fixable and if that’s the only major flaw in a 18 year old true freshman qb I’ll take it. 
 

we shouldn’t forget the first month of the season.. he was dropping deep dimes from game 1- he’s capable of it, it’s just for whatever reason we’ve flatlined and at time regressed… probably a mix of playing better teams talent and scheme wise but there’s been one too many examples where the loft pass isn’t needed and he does It anyways 

Which, makes me wonder if it developed after he sprained his ankle.