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[knapplc]

Having our two best offensive playmakers, where we didn't last year, isn't a compelling argument? I mean, that's not guaranteed by any means, but it has to mean something. Combine that with the fact that you guys are returning your entire offense from last year and losing Suh who, since he was often double-teamed, HAD to help inflate some of the other defensive players' stats, and I think there's something that at least loosely resembles a compelling argument.
I know you're going to tell me that your offense and defense will improve, and I believe it, but there's still a justifiable doubt that it won't necessarily play out that way.

Again, 9-3 is more of a best case scenario, and anybody expecting that is likely up for a long season. And that 9-3 is counting Oklahoma, Texas, and Iowa as losses. Would we love to upset them? Absolutely. But there's a difference between hoping for something and expecting something.

Having your QB and RB back is going to be a wash with NE, since our #1 RB, Helu, had a bum shoulder for half the season, and our QB, Lee, had a bum elbow. So yeah, your returning guys count for something, and our healthy guys count for something.

In the end, you'll need another 8 turnovers to get a W, and you're not going to get that again.

 

[GMoose]

Having our two best offensive playmakers, where we didn't last year, isn't a compelling argument? I mean, that's not guaranteed by any means, but it has to mean something. Combine that with the fact that you guys are returning your entire offense from last year and losing Suh who, since he was often double-teamed, HAD to help inflate some of the other defensive players' stats, and I think there's something that at least loosely resembles a compelling argument.
I know you're going to tell me that your offense and defense will improve, and I believe it, but there's still a justifiable doubt that it won't necessarily play out that way.

Again, 9-3 is more of a best case scenario, and anybody expecting that is likely up for a long season. And that 9-3 is counting Oklahoma, Texas, and Iowa as losses. Would we love to upset them? Absolutely. But there's a difference between hoping for something and expecting something.

Having your QB and RB back is going to be a wash with NE, since our #1 RB, Helu, had a bum shoulder for half the season, and our QB, Lee, had a bum elbow. So yeah, your returning guys count for something, and our healthy guys count for something.

In the end, you'll need another 8 turnovers to get a W, and you're not going to get that again.

Moot point

Knapplc you forgot to mention our 1st AND 2nd string RBs were out.

Not to mention how we PLAYED defense in that game. Jerome Tiller isn't exactly the second coming of Johnny Unitas, so the box was stacked to stop the run a little more. Had Arnaud been it it would have been different. But that's tought to prove.

Any way you slice it, that once in a life time occurrence of 8 turnovers is just that, once in a lifetime. ISU will be lucky to cover the likely 2 TD spread. Just the way it is.

 

[dubsker]

Fan thinks his team will win. Shocking.

NU for the 2007 MNC!

we had reason to believe it. they dont.

No what we had was 5-7.

no matter what the record was for 2007 we had reason to believe that we would be good before the season. believe it or not 2006 was a pretty decent season having won the big12 north and finished with 9 wins. As well as the fact that 2007 would have been callahans first full cycle of recruits. so really we should have had the players needed to run the system we were running and we had a lot more momentum than the first bowl game in 10 years.

like it or not, we had reason to be very optimistic, they really dont.

sorry but beating a team by 2 points in a game that had a ridiculous 8 EIGHT turnovers and then thinking you are going to do the same thing next season is kinda ridiculous.

Like it or not, we can try to church it up with stars and other reasons to justify our lofty expectations, but what actually wound up happening was a steaming pile of crap. The same pile of crap anyone expecting a 9-3 ISU is going to wind up with.

 

[clone]

yup.

delusional. beating nu at jack trice isn't likely, but beating them in lincoln last year was unimaginable and it happened. like it or not. that's why they play the games. it doesn't always come out like we expect.

reality... isu is probably looking at a losing season.

but there are plenty of delusional folks here too. :LOLtartar

that's why they are called fans. :dumdum

 

[husker B-rent]

Fan thinks his team will win. Shocking.

NU for the 2007 MNC!

we had reason to believe it. they dont.

No what we had was 5-7.

no matter what the record was for 2007 we had reason to believe that we would be good before the season. believe it or not 2006 was a pretty decent season having won the big12 north and finished with 9 wins. As well as the fact that 2007 would have been callahans first full cycle of recruits. so really we should have had the players needed to run the system we were running and we had a lot more momentum than the first bowl game in 10 years.

like it or not, we had reason to be very optimistic, they really dont.

sorry but beating a team by 2 points in a game that had a ridiculous 8 EIGHT turnovers and then thinking you are going to do the same thing next season is kinda ridiculous.

Like it or not, we can try to church it up with stars and other reasons to justify our lofty expectations, but what actually wound up happening was a steaming pile of crap. The same pile of crap anyone expecting a 9-3 ISU is going to wind up with.

ok i dont think you understand.

expectations come before the fact, ie: before the 2007 season. you cant look at after the season and say what you are saying, that is results not expectations. i dont think there is a single person in here that would tell you that 2007 was a good season.

 

[clone]

Sloup, I certainly understand how you're explaining the "Paul Rhoads factor". The thing is, many people can't take the ISU hype as seriously as you can be because your close losses were to Kansas State and Kansas, while Nebraska's were to #10 Virginia Tech and #2 Texas. And of course you had the win over Nebraska. But when people say they can beat Nebraska next year based on last year's game...I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

No doubt what CPR did last year was great. And I too would be excited if he were my team's coach. But making that proverbial leap is no easy task for a team like ISU. Just being matter of fact, it is simply easier for a team like Arkansas, aTm, or UCLA to get out of a hole because of tradition and clout than teams like ISU.

gotta respond to this one... it's too good to pass up.

slightly modified to present an "outsider's" perspective...

We certainly understand how you're explaining the "Bo Pelini factor", however, many people can't take the Neb hype as seriously as you can because you lost to top ten Virginia Tech and Texas.. you suffered a loss to pitiful unranked ISU in Lincoln and of course there was the three touchdown loss to TTech. That takes a little luster from a shiny season and dulls the hype more than a little.

to stretch the "logic" even farther (this will be fun)...

But when huskers say they ABSOLUTELY WILL beat a team that beat them at home (isu) last year, on the road, based on past wins... I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

make sense? not really.

As always, I will be rooting for the mighty huskers until they play in Ames.

Then, like many clown fans, I will be hoping the clones outplay the huskers again. One more time.

 

[huKSer]

to stretch the "logic" even farther (this will be fun)...

But when huskers say they ABSOLUTELY WILL beat a team that beat them at home (isu) last year, on the road, based on past wins... I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

make sense? not really.

As always, I will be rooting for the mighty huskers until they play in Ames.

Then, like many clown fans, I will be hoping the clones outplay the huskers again. One more time.

There are no absolutes in sports. App St anyone? I am nervous before most every Husker game (SDSU probably not so much) - however there are degrees - right now ISU is a 3 or a 4 out of 10

This cuts both ways - many of the ISU fans that are counting on a win BECAUSE of last year's results will at the same time say to Husker fans that the series record has no bearing on this year's game. What really matters now is now. Factors that I consider in NU's favor is motivation, quality/depth of athletes, lightning (ie turnovers) not striking twice and coaching (slight) in ISU's favor is confidence and home field (slight)

 

[deedsker15]

Sloup, I certainly understand how you're explaining the "Paul Rhoads factor". The thing is, many people can't take the ISU hype as seriously as you can be because your close losses were to Kansas State and Kansas, while Nebraska's were to #10 Virginia Tech and #2 Texas. And of course you had the win over Nebraska. But when people say they can beat Nebraska next year based on last year's game...I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

No doubt what CPR did last year was great. And I too would be excited if he were my team's coach. But making that proverbial leap is no easy task for a team like ISU. Just being matter of fact, it is simply easier for a team like Arkansas, aTm, or UCLA to get out of a hole because of tradition and clout than teams like ISU.

gotta respond to this one... it's too good to pass up.

slightly modified to present an "outsider's" perspective...

We certainly understand how you're explaining the "Bo Pelini factor", however, many people can't take the Neb hype as seriously as you can because you lost to top ten Virginia Tech and Texas.. you suffered a loss to pitiful unranked ISU in Lincoln and of course there was the three touchdown loss to TTech. That takes a little luster from a shiny season and dulls the hype more than a little.

to stretch the "logic" even farther (this will be fun)...

But when huskers say they ABSOLUTELY WILL beat a team that beat them at home (isu) last year, on the road, based on past wins... I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

make sense? not really.

As always, I will be rooting for the mighty huskers until they play in Ames.

Then, like many clown fans, I will be hoping the clones outplay the huskers again. One more time.

well...i think we are looking more at the history of iowa state here...iowa state offenses average 5.3 points per game against bo pelini defenses...what part of that short history doesn't make us think we can beat you?

 

[clone]

Sloup, I certainly understand how you're explaining the "Paul Rhoads factor". The thing is, many people can't take the ISU hype as seriously as you can be because your close losses were to Kansas State and Kansas, while Nebraska's were to #10 Virginia Tech and #2 Texas. And of course you had the win over Nebraska. But when people say they can beat Nebraska next year based on last year's game...I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

No doubt what CPR did last year was great. And I too would be excited if he were my team's coach. But making that proverbial leap is no easy task for a team like ISU. Just being matter of fact, it is simply easier for a team like Arkansas, aTm, or UCLA to get out of a hole because of tradition and clout than teams like ISU.

gotta respond to this one... it's too good to pass up.

slightly modified to present an "outsider's" perspective...

We certainly understand how you're explaining the "Bo Pelini factor", however, many people can't take the Neb hype as seriously as you can because you lost to top ten Virginia Tech and Texas.. you suffered a loss to pitiful unranked ISU in Lincoln and of course there was the three touchdown loss to TTech. That takes a little luster from a shiny season and dulls the hype more than a little.

to stretch the "logic" even farther (this will be fun)...

But when huskers say they ABSOLUTELY WILL beat a team that beat them at home (isu) last year, on the road, based on past wins... I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

make sense? not really.

As always, I will be rooting for the mighty huskers until they play in Ames.

Then, like many clown fans, I will be hoping the clones outplay the huskers again. One more time.

well...i think we are looking more at the history of iowa state here...iowa state offenses average 5.3 points per game against bo pelini defenses...what part of that short history doesn't make us think we can beat you?

bo pelini has played isu twice since he took the reins, he won one easily and lost one painfully.

Most recently - he lost one, painfully, at home.

Bo pelini offenses average 7 points against Paul Rhodes defenses.

what part of that short history makes you think he'll win the next one on the road?

we can play these goofy games all day.

point is, despite what the average husker fan thinks, past wins/losses mean very little, especially to the players on the field.

the further back you go in time, the less they mean tomorrow.

Many of the guys that won big at ISU in 2008... aren't here. There will be more guys on BOTH 2010 rosters that played in the 2009 isu victory than the 2008 game... just the numbers.

BTW- IMO, it will take a miracle to beat neb two years in a row. But doing it last year makes some clone fans extra hopeful that it CAN happen.

It's a FAN thing.

 

[RockyMountainOySker]

Sloup, I certainly understand how you're explaining the "Paul Rhoads factor". The thing is, many people can't take the ISU hype as seriously as you can be because your close losses were to Kansas State and Kansas, while Nebraska's were to #10 Virginia Tech and #2 Texas. And of course you had the win over Nebraska. But when people say they can beat Nebraska next year based on last year's game...I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

No doubt what CPR did last year was great. And I too would be excited if he were my team's coach. But making that proverbial leap is no easy task for a team like ISU. Just being matter of fact, it is simply easier for a team like Arkansas, aTm, or UCLA to get out of a hole because of tradition and clout than teams like ISU.

gotta respond to this one... it's too good to pass up.

slightly modified to present an "outsider's" perspective...

We certainly understand how you're explaining the "Bo Pelini factor", however, many people can't take the Neb hype as seriously as you can because you lost to top ten Virginia Tech and Texas.. you suffered a loss to pitiful unranked ISU in Lincoln and of course there was the three touchdown loss to TTech. That takes a little luster from a shiny season and dulls the hype more than a little.

to stretch the "logic" even farther (this will be fun)...

But when huskers say they ABSOLUTELY WILL beat a team that beat them at home (isu) last year, on the road, based on past wins... I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

make sense? not really.

As always, I will be rooting for the mighty huskers until they play in Ames.

Then, like many clown fans, I will be hoping the clones outplay the huskers again. One more time.

well...i think we are looking more at the history of iowa state here...iowa state offenses average 5.3 points per game against bo pelini defenses...what part of that short history doesn't make us think we can beat you?

bo pelini has played isu twice since he took the reins, he won one easily and lost one painfully.

Most recently - he lost one, painfully, at home.

Bo pelini offenses average 7 points against Paul Rhodes defenses.

what part of that short history makes you think he'll win the next one on the road?

we can play these goofy games all day.

point is, despite what the average husker fan thinks, past wins/losses mean very little, especially to the players on the field.

the further back you go in time, the less they mean tomorrow.

Many of the guys that won big at ISU in 2008... aren't here. There will be more guys on BOTH 2010 rosters that played in the 2009 isu victory than the 2008 game... just the numbers.

BTW- IMO, it will take a miracle to beat neb two years in a row. But doing it last year makes some clone fans extra hopeful that it CAN happen.

It's a FAN thing.

Short history thinking.....we beat ourselves. ISU didn't beat Nebraska. Nebraska beat Nebraska. It will take another 8 turnovers, some of which happened with no ISU player around and others that were miracles, for your team to win this game in the fall. The chances of 8 freebies happening two years in a row is pretty small.

 

[GMoose]

Sloup, I certainly understand how you're explaining the "Paul Rhoads factor". The thing is, many people can't take the ISU hype as seriously as you can be because your close losses were to Kansas State and Kansas, while Nebraska's were to #10 Virginia Tech and #2 Texas. And of course you had the win over Nebraska. But when people say they can beat Nebraska next year based on last year's game...I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

No doubt what CPR did last year was great. And I too would be excited if he were my team's coach. But making that proverbial leap is no easy task for a team like ISU. Just being matter of fact, it is simply easier for a team like Arkansas, aTm, or UCLA to get out of a hole because of tradition and clout than teams like ISU.

gotta respond to this one... it's too good to pass up.

slightly modified to present an "outsider's" perspective...

We certainly understand how you're explaining the "Bo Pelini factor", however, many people can't take the Neb hype as seriously as you can because you lost to top ten Virginia Tech and Texas.. you suffered a loss to pitiful unranked ISU in Lincoln and of course there was the three touchdown loss to TTech. That takes a little luster from a shiny season and dulls the hype more than a little.

to stretch the "logic" even farther (this will be fun)...

But when huskers say they ABSOLUTELY WILL beat a team that beat them at home (isu) last year, on the road, based on past wins... I'm sure a logical fan like yourself realizes that is nothing more than blind homerism.

make sense? not really.

As always, I will be rooting for the mighty huskers until they play in Ames.

Then, like many clown fans, I will be hoping the clones outplay the huskers again. One more time.

What did I say about past wins? Nothing. Obviously they don't mean anything. No one on this board is 5 years old and needs to be told that. I think Nebraska wins because of, oh I don't know, better atheltes? Being a better team? (call me foolish but) counting on lightning not striking in the same place twice with 4 cough ups?

I know you'll never admit this but the Bo Pelini factor is worth more than the Paul Rhoads factor. Sorry. Even in our dark Callahan days we've recruited among the top 30-15. And Pelini has recruited in the top 25 for his first years. Nebbraska has better athletes. And please, spare me the "stars don't matter" rant.

And if anything, you're the one lingering on past wins. If not for ONE BOTCHED CALL, Nebraksa wins that game. If it had gone that way, we be talking about how we're going to beat ISU again yet this year, after escaping with a 5 point win dsepite a NEGATIVE SEVEN turnover margin. Can you imagine had it only been like, 5 turnovers, or 3?

 

[knapplc]

That's the key thing the Clones are forgetting - some of those turnovers weren't just turnovers, they were "You can watch 1,000 games and not see that again" turnovers.

Call it lightning, call it a miracle, call it whatever - the chances of those things happening twice are as remote as the chances of finding a spine in Dan Beebe.

Revel in your scoreboard, Clone Fan. You've got another four months until Armageddon. :throwdabones1:

 

[huKSer]

Call it lightning, call it a miracle, call it whatever - the chances of those things happening twice are as remote as the chances of finding a spine in Dan Beebe.

:laughpound :laughpound :laughpound :laughpound :laughpound :laughpound :laughpound :laughpound :laughpound

 

[Vince from ShamWOW]

Call it lightning, call it a miracle, call it whatever - the chances of those things happening twice are as remote as the chances of finding a spine in Dan Beebe.

Post of the year. Nice work

 

[Cyclone Sloup]

Having our two best offensive playmakers, where we didn't last year, isn't a compelling argument? I mean, that's not guaranteed by any means, but it has to mean something. Combine that with the fact that you guys are returning your entire offense from last year and losing Suh who, since he was often double-teamed, HAD to help inflate some of the other defensive players' stats, and I think there's something that at least loosely resembles a compelling argument.
I know you're going to tell me that your offense and defense will improve, and I believe it, but there's still a justifiable doubt that it won't necessarily play out that way.

Again, 9-3 is more of a best case scenario, and anybody expecting that is likely up for a long season. And that 9-3 is counting Oklahoma, Texas, and Iowa as losses. Would we love to upset them? Absolutely. But there's a difference between hoping for something and expecting something.

Having your QB and RB back is going to be a wash with NE, since our #1 RB, Helu, had a bum shoulder for half the season, and our QB, Lee, had a bum elbow. So yeah, your returning guys count for something, and our healthy guys count for something.

In the end, you'll need another 8 turnovers to get a W, and you're not going to get that again.

I feel like you're hearing me but not listening to me.

There's an argument to be made that Iowa State will be in a better position to beat Nebraska than they were last year, which gives us HOPE that it could happen again. That doesn't mean we EXPECT it to happen. Okay, well maybe some people do expect it, but I guess I can't really defend them.

On a side note, the gap between our first and second stringers was way larger than the gap between Nebraska's first and second stringers (hence the questions for you guys at QB, or the fact that Burkhead sees a good chunk of game time). Losing Arnaud and Robinson meant more than losing Lee and Helu.

But really, that's besides the point. Iowa State might have a better offense thanks to your QB situation, but Nebraska has one of the best defenses in the nation while ours can be, well, anemic. In the great Blackshirt tradition, the defensive side of the ball is the reason Nebraska is and should be favored. I HOPE that our more talented defense will be experienced enough by the time we play you to make it a fight, but I'm not EXPECTING Iowa State to win it.