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I for one, would really like the Huskers to rehire Callahan

We'll hire him, and you guys hire Cosgrove. Deal?

2006 was BC's best year here. We were 9-5. We put up gigantic offensive numbers like 10 against USC and 7 against OU. In the time BC was coach, we put most of our points up against teams with a pulse when the game was clearly lost. The only thing I would have liked to have seen was what a BC recruited QB could have done his jr. or sr. year. However, BC could never keep a QB around long enough to get there. Beck bolted. Freeman decommitted. Gabbert decommitted. With another couple of BC coached years, Suh would have been lucky to be a mid-fourth round draft pick. BC was good at getting the talent, but he rarely ever developed it once he got it to Nebraska.

DING DING DING. We have a winner. It amazes me when people talk about how good the offense was under BC. It sucked. Oh, against cupcakes, and good teams that had pulled their starters, it could score.

This is the quintessential example on why BC failed. His ability to use talent effectively was non-existent.

 

I dunno. Marlon Lucky was an exceptional talent and used effectively. I'm not sure Lucky ever had the raw desire it takes to explode through holes on the line, but BC knew what he had with Lucky, and the Keller>>Lucky short passing game was incredibly successful.

 

I suppose some look at using a check-down receiver like Lucky and an indication of a poor QB - and some have said as much on HB - but I thought BC was very good at getting skilled players into space and letting them make plays against poor match-ups.

 

His stubborness in year one ended NU's bowl run. His blind loyalty to Keller, despite the clear signs that Ganz was not only 1A, but also a guy the team wanted to battle for, cost BC dearly.

 

You can try to say it was about offensive scheme, but even if that was true, it was clear in August camp that Ganz and Keller were neck & neck running that offense.

 

BC went with Keller's "on paper measurements" and it cost him.

 

It is a forgivable offense by itself, but for BC it was only the second to last example of poor personnel judgement (Not canning Cosgrove mid-way into the season was the other).

 

I think it's easy to say some of those things about the Keller vs. Ganz QB battle now...but back in the day during fall camp BC had to make a decision which QB was going to get the majority of the snaps and be the starter. He had two good choices, and went with the guy with more in-game experience, seniority, and physical measurables. Surely Keller being a transfer might have weighed a little into the equation, but many fans simply look at the results and think it was obvious Joe was better because by the time he played, he lit up the field.

 

In reality, Joe Ganz was a nobody back then. Yeah, there were reports of a Keller vs. Ganz battle in fall camp, but most folks just chalked that up to good preseason football drama and it was mostly assumed Keller was going to start.

 

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I just don't like to see people pile on a former Husker coach or player, whoever it is.

 

If Callahan hired Bo as his DC and said 'do whatever you need to do on defense, I'll get out of your way.' the results would have likely been different. Watson and Bo were more 'player' coaches and Callahan was the organized CEO guy who knew the X's and O's on offense. Callahan calling offense plays and Bo calling the defense and Watson developing our QB's would have been very interesting combo for sure.

 

239+ days until the next Husker football game. Let's make sure we cover all the topics we can!

Marlon Lucky? Are you serious? He was not very effective and not used well. Hell, BC kept Brandon Jackson off the filed so we could watch Lucky get repeatedly tackled by stiff breezes. Did that guy EVER break a tackle? He was good in space I guess, but we rarely got him there.

If my aunt Sally had nuts, she'd be my uncle Sal.

One phrase sums up the total failure that was the BC era..."half-pack" We couldn't tackle on defense, yet we were not smart enough to go full pads so our players could LEARN to tackle? This is not the NFL. CFB players need to be taught the basics. And don't blame that on Cos. The head coach decided to "half-pack".

Since most here wanna compare Bo to TO all the time I guess I'll pile on. It took TO 10 year? 11? before he played for a National Championship. So to use the excuse "we play in a championship game every decade bla bla bla" well I have some bad news for you, Bo has 8 seasons before this decade is up. Solich was in one last decade. Hate to say but this is an idiotic point of view. It's as bad as bagging on Bo because we are 10-7 in our last 17 games. Get grip. No more beating around the bush. People that want Bo gone are idiots. Simple as that.

 

Where in this thread has anyone said that Bo should be gone? You seem a little sensitive, lol. There was a point brought up about us playing for NC's in every decade since the 70's, which is interesting. We have gone over a decade since NEBRASKA, not Bo, has played for a NC. It seems to be a curios question as to when, since the streak began, we have gone 10 years without playing for a NC. If you read this a Bo needs to be fired, you must not read well, lol.

 

It wasn't said in this thread...until then. But when it's in every single thread on this site in one place or another, you start just expecting it anyway. I'm sure if I went to 'Daily Skin', there's a picture of Kate Upton holding a sign that says 'fire Bo'.

I understand that. We finally have a thread not talking about Bo needing to be fired, and the people that hate the "Bo needs to be fired" talk start talking about the "Bo needs to be fired talk". That makes sense, lol.

For some outside perspective.............(since the inhabitants of this board are all pretty frustrated right now with the lingering images of the bowl game still fresh)...............

 

I heard today on the Zone (haven't checked it out, but THEY were saying...........) that Vegas has us at 30-1 to win the Mythical National Championship.............which is second only to Michigan in the B!G.......!!

 

Now I'm not running out to bet the mortgage on it, but obviously outsiders (who may have more of an objective view than we do)............think we will be pretty decent.....

 

They said K-State was 25 to 1...better odds than us...fail.

fail?? So when did the mildcats move to the B!G ??

National championships can be won by non B1G teams, and actually almost always are. I was pointing out that a small school in the middle of Kansas coached by an old grandpa is more favored by Vegas to win a NC than we are....FAIL.

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But most are missing the point. It really does not make any difference what we think as a fan base. No one really cares. If the program nationally is percieved as being run by a man out of control, abusive, irrational to the media and his own fan base that hurts us as a program and will hurt us in recruiting. I really do not think most want Bo gone, they want Bo to do the job so that the program comes out in the best light. I am sure there are discussions going on about his actions during this game. Which in my opinion were no where as bad as made out to be. He has made improvement over VaTech and ATM. But anything he does is instant TV material. They follow him like vultures, waiting for the blood to drop. He has to be aware of it. I do not know if it affects the players, some think it does. Hard to tell with kids. But it is a nationwide opinion and that is the concern I have. My guess is that we are going to see more of Tom closer to the field for awhile, possibly intercepting things from the press. Bo needs help right now and he needs our support. But he needs to understand that he lives in a glass house/fish bowl. He is good man I think and he will figure this out.

I agree. He really is a gifted coach with regards to defense. However, he's young. I can say that 'cause I'm older than dirt! lol I would love for DR. Tom Osborne to use his psychology degree and help Bo with some anger management. I'm sure he has had some experience with that when he coached his players. Interesting that we didn't see that kind of behavior from Bo when he was coaching defense for us or did we? I can't remember seeing it but then the media didn't have him under a microscope like they do now. I think he's grown signficantly in that department. He just needs some better scripts. Truly. Not a 'coach-speak script, just some ways to describe the information he wants to get across. People have speaking coaches all the time. If Bo was willing, he could make great improvements in this area. He already has the potential. I still remember how humbled and vulnerable he was after the Penn State game this year. It was really impressive. If he could speak with the media and have that demeanor all the time. Oh My Gosh! It would really make a difference. I don't know, we've come so close so many times. We have some missing pieces and maybe, just maybe next year or 2013 (if we keep Bo that long) will be break out years. Once Bo has a few B1G championships under his belt, beats wins some BCS bowls and finally the MNC well, it will be interesting to see how this board will change it's tune. Yep, I'm probably the #1 'Susie Sunshine-Pumper (I think that's what they call it) but I just have this strange feeling that we're going to be big again some day. (I'm only drinking water ) Just my opinion. I love our team, I adore our AD-Great guy (couldn't talk him into wearing the coach's hat again could we? Nah, Nancy wouldn't have it! I'm not ready to give up on this team and its coaches yet. GBR!

 

After K-State put a beat down on us, he ran out and ranted and raved at Bill Snyder. I was throughly embarrassed by that as a Husker fan. I bet that was a proud moment for Bill. He never beat NU under TO and on that day the NU DC was screaming at him for running up the score....had to have been a satisfying moment for Bill. Embarrassing for me. I didn't want Bo hired as our HC because of that. He changed my mind in the press conference announcing his hiring though, I was thrilled to have him here. He really impressed me in that presser. He truly seemed to "get" Nebraska. I'm not so certain any more though.

That's why I said 'or did we' because I couldn't remember but now that you bring it up, yeah that wasn't cool at all. I was impressed with that presser and the presser after the Penn State this year. DId you also see the segment: Welcome to my Office on BTN? I guess he was really good on that show as well (My husband watched it and said that is a side of Bo that most people don't get to see.) I think Bo has the potential to be a great coach but right now he's in a tough spot. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he doesn't delegate very well. He HAS to let go of some things and trust his coaches to do their job, otherwise he will simply burn out.

I didn't see it. I tried to DVR it, but failed. I really hope Bo succeeds as well, I really think he is a stand up guy.

I saw pics of him at a hospital in Omaha visiting an 8 year old boy that was dying. I didn't know the child, but he was a friend of friend and I followed the situation on Caringbridge.org. His parents posted a pic on their page of Bo with him in the middle of the night. I was thoroughly impressed. He is such a target of the media and he could have totally used that situation to benefit himself, but he didn't. In fact, he went late at night to avoid the media. His image was not what mattered that night. He brought some joy to that child's life and as a parent of a son who was the same age as that boy, I respected the hell out of that. That is the type of man that I want leading the Huskers.

I don't know about those Big XII games but in those Big Ten blow outs Nebraska WAS competitive....for a while at least. 17-10 against UM at half and 7-7 against UW going into the second quarter. Yea, they turned into blowouts but they weren't destined to be that way from the start. I think the problem must be discipline, motivation and resiliency...not talent. Maybe there are some depth and conditioning issues as well but I don't know anything about NU's situation there...

 

Nebraska doesn't play football to be close in the 1st half, we play to win...every game. 48-17 is an ass-kicking, don't sugar coat it. I don't care if it is tied at the end of the 3rd, 48-17 is an ass-kicking. A win is a win, a loss is a loss, and an ass-kicking is an ass-kicking. We've gotten our asses kicked at least twice this season and have 2 more losses that we were good enough to win, but choked it away. Not acceptable. Maybe that gets it done in Cheese land, but not Husker land.

Didn't mean to sugar coat it...you guys got your asses handed to you without a doubt but I was saying you need to work on the mental areas of the game...the intangibles. You can play with these teams for a quarter or two but then fall apart....why? I think its mental.

Without question. That is what frustrates me the most. I'd rather get beat by a better team than give it away. I don't think we were better than Wiscy, but we should have been a hell of a lot closer than 48-17. Embarrassing.

But most are missing the point. It really does not make any difference what we think as a fan base. No one really cares. If the program nationally is percieved as being run by a man out of control, abusive, irrational to the media and his own fan base that hurts us as a program and will hurt us in recruiting. I really do not think most want Bo gone, they want Bo to do the job so that the program comes out in the best light. I am sure there are discussions going on about his actions during this game. Which in my opinion were no where as bad as made out to be. He has made improvement over VaTech and ATM. But anything he does is instant TV material. They follow him like vultures, waiting for the blood to drop. He has to be aware of it. I do not know if it affects the players, some think it does. Hard to tell with kids. But it is a nationwide opinion and that is the concern I have. My guess is that we are going to see more of Tom closer to the field for awhile, possibly intercepting things from the press. Bo needs help right now and he needs our support. But he needs to understand that he lives in a glass house/fish bowl. He is good man I think and he will figure this out.

I agree. He really is a gifted coach with regards to defense. However, he's young. I can say that 'cause I'm older than dirt! lol I would love for DR. Tom Osborne to use his psychology degree and help Bo with some anger management. I'm sure he has had some experience with that when he coached his players. Interesting that we didn't see that kind of behavior from Bo when he was coaching defense for us or did we? I can't remember seeing it but then the media didn't have him under a microscope like they do now. I think he's grown signficantly in that department. He just needs some better scripts. Truly. Not a 'coach-speak script, just some ways to describe the information he wants to get across. People have speaking coaches all the time. If Bo was willing, he could make great improvements in this area. He already has the potential. I still remember how humbled and vulnerable he was after the Penn State game this year. It was really impressive. If he could speak with the media and have that demeanor all the time. Oh My Gosh! It would really make a difference. I don't know, we've come so close so many times. We have some missing pieces and maybe, just maybe next year or 2013 (if we keep Bo that long) will be break out years. Once Bo has a few B1G championships under his belt, beats wins some BCS bowls and finally the MNC well, it will be interesting to see how this board will change it's tune. Yep, I'm probably the #1 'Susie Sunshine-Pumper (I think that's what they call it) but I just have this strange feeling that we're going to be big again some day. (I'm only drinking water ) Just my opinion. I love our team, I adore our AD-Great guy (couldn't talk him into wearing the coach's hat again could we? Nah, Nancy wouldn't have it! I'm not ready to give up on this team and its coaches yet. GBR!

After K-State put a beat down on us, he ran out and ranted and raved at Bill Snyder. I was throughly embarrassed by that as a Husker fan. I bet that was a proud moment for Bill. He never beat NU under TO and on that day the NU DC was screaming at him for running up the score....had to have been a satisfying moment for Bill. Embarrassing for me. I didn't want Bo hired as our HC because of that. He changed my mind in the press conference announcing his hiring though, I was thrilled to have him here. He really impressed me in that presser. He truly seemed to "get" Nebraska. I'm not so certain any more though.

Looking at elite teams since the NU BobFather era began. AP National Championships by the top all time winning teams in history/

 

Alabama went from 66 to 79 to 91 to 2009 - roughly every 20 years between MNC

Texas went from 70 to 2005 - 35 years

OU from 74, 75 to 85 - 2001 - roughly every 20 years

Notre Dame 66, 73, 77, 88

USC 62, 67, 72, 2003, 04

NU 70, 71, 94, 95, 97

Michigan 97

Ohio State 68, 2002

 

 

Fixed it for you.

Awesome post. One of the best ever, tbh.

I don't know about those Big XII games but in those Big Ten blow outs Nebraska WAS competitive....for a while at least. 17-10 against UM at half and 7-7 against UW going into the second quarter. Yea, they turned into blowouts but they weren't destined to be that way from the start. I think the problem must be discipline, motivation and resiliency...not talent. Maybe there are some depth and conditioning issues as well but I don't know anything about NU's situation there...

Nebraska doesn't play football to be close in the 1st half, we play to win...every game. 48-17 is an ass-kicking, don't sugar coat it. I don't care if it is tied at the end of the 3rd, 48-17 is an ass-kicking. A win is a win, a loss is a loss, and an ass-kicking is an ass-kicking. We've gotten our asses kicked at least twice this season and have 2 more losses that we were good enough to win, but choked it away. Not acceptable. Maybe that gets it done in Cheese land, but not Husker land.

You've got some good points but I'll look at a couple:

 

I think folks are tired of the following:

 

Losing at home

Losing to unranked opponents

I don't like it any more than anyone else. But you also have to look around. You phrased it slightly differently but a lot of people say "losing to teams we shouldn't." I did some checking on this awhile ago (I'd have to start over on "unranked" so I'll use the "shouldn't lose to" for now). By my count, LSU, Alabama, Kansas St. and one other team (can't remember which now) were the only teams that hadn't lost to someone they "shouldn't lose to" in the last two years. That's it - only four teams have gone TWO YEARS without losing to "someone they shouldn't". We have a good team but not a great team. I wish we had a great team but we don't. Neither does most the rest of the country. We're far, far ahead of where we were although we didn't make progress this year. Even being a really good team doesn't make you immune (just ask Okie St. or Wisconsin). That's just how college football is now.

 

Off the top of my head. Oregon? Stanford? Arkansas? Hell, Iowa State? Not good records, but have they really lost to teams that they "shouldn't" have lost to?

Since most here wanna compare Bo to TO all the time I guess I'll pile on. It took TO 10 year? 11? before he played for a National Championship. So to use the excuse "we play in a championship game every decade bla bla bla" well I have some bad news for you, Bo has 8 seasons before this decade is up. Solich was in one last decade. Hate to say but this is an idiotic point of view. It's as bad as bagging on Bo because we are 10-7 in our last 17 games. Get grip. No more beating around the bush. People that want Bo gone are idiots. Simple as that.

Where in this thread has anyone said that Bo should be gone? You seem a little sensitive, lol. There was a point brought up about us playing for NC's in every decade since the 70's, which is interesting. We have gone over a decade since NEBRASKA, not Bo, has played for a NC. It seems to be a curios question as to when, since the streak began, we have gone 10 years without playing for a NC. If you read this a Bo needs to be fired, you must not read well, lol.

Funny thing that he said this. I just had this conversation with a guy at the coffee shop the other day - saying how I wonder if part of the problem with this team is that we walk out of the tunnel thinking "We're Nebraska" as if that still means what it used to mean. When the reality that we are NOT that Nebraska hits, these teams seem to collapse. These collapses span three coaches. They span more than a decade. The one constant is the N on the side of the helmet.

 

I think, maybe, it's why teams come in to Lincoln as big underdogs and give us a huge battle - or beat us (2009 ISU, 2010 NW). They know we're not that Nebraska. Maybe it's time we learned that, too.

 

Great coments. In the past, we beat a team this year so badly so that for the remainder of the contract/conference etc we had already won. No one wanted face NU again after the beating that they received the previous years. We were a mean physical team that teams honestly feared to play after playing us once. We lost that edge, that mystique. Raymond, a non-Nebraska guy seems to get that with his comments. Time folks remembered what Nebraska was and get back to that. Beck this includes your crappy play calling.

 

Yep, and when we had that "edge" when did you EVER hear our coaches publicly question our players heart, talent, and fight? Never. That is now what great coaches do. Period. Even if it is true, you don't publicly berate your players. Players need to want to run through a wall for their coaches and have 100% belief and trust in them. Do you think our secondary players will feel that way about Raymond now? I highly doubt it. It's like the kid on the playground that runs to Mommy, even if he is right...all credibility is gone.

 

I hear ya. Bo aint TO. Nowhere even close. Neither were any of the teams he fielded comparable to anything we have had since 1997.

 

Raymond said what every fan has been thinking the past 2-3 yrs. Was it the right venue, no. Is it the truth? Yes. Sometimes the truth hurts.

 

Never thought about the angle saying Bo's recruiting sux.

 

It also doesn't really help when we have athletes like Osborne, Smith, JT, Vooper, the triplets etc that were either in the doghouse or never got a shot.

Fans say many things and do many things that the coaches should never say privately or publicly. If he wants to call out the players and challenge them, do it in person, not the media. Even NFL coaches that are coaching paid, full-time professionals rarely, if ever, publicly call out a player that is trying there best. They may get fed up with a malcontent at times and go public, but not with players that are trying. I believe our players are doing their best, but some are just not that good. What good does it do to question their heart, skill, and character in the media? I see nothing be bad results from an action like Raymonds.

After decades of frustration, TO created a perfect storm for 5 seasons that simply will NEVER be repeated by anyone again. We have to move on and realize that hopefully in the next 15 years BO can create a perfect storm, too. Meanwhile, we gotta settle for some 3 or 4 loss seasons.

 

In the 70's Nebraska played in 2 National Title Games, 80's they played in 1 National Title Game, 90's they played in 4 National Title Games, 2000's they played in 1 National Title Game. Let that sink in a little bit. They have played in at least 1 Title Game every decade since the 70's. Nebraska was good WAY BEFORE THE 90's.

 

You're basically saying that Nebraska fans should wait another 15 years to possibly play in a National Title game? That's 2027. You're telling me Nebraska should go from 2001 to 2027 without playing for a National Title? 26 years? Almost 3 decades? When they have played in a title game every decade since the 60's.

 

Sorry, you are wrong. I HAVE WAY HIGHER EXPECTATIONS THAN THIS. NEBRASKA IS BETTER THAN THIS.

Me too, but that doesn't mean they will be fulfilled. We haven't been in a NC game since 2000, so 11 years. Since our streak started in the 70's, have we gone a decade between NC games until now?

Colorado game - -1995 in Boulder. NU #2, CU #7

 

The Buff players march down thru the stadium. The crowd is nuts. Insanely nuts.

 

We get the ball first.

 

Frazier in the huddle and one of the linemen is amped, losing composure, the atmosphere of the crowd is messing with him.

 

Frazier grabs his facemask and gives a little stare into the lineman's eyes and says "do your f'ing job"

 

They break huddle. Snap. Green goes 57 yards on a play TO designed specifically for the game. Touchdown. 1 play into the game.

 

Score at end of 1st quarter NU 21 - 7 and 31-14 at the half.

 

 

I remember discussing this game with a friend after the game and we nit-picked having to settle for only one field goal in the 3rd quarter due to some mistake.

 

After some discussion the "DUH-stick" hit us when we realized we complained because we had to settle for a field goal on the road against a rival that hated us and used every possible method to rattle us.

 

We had the ball for 35 minutes.

We had NO penalties

We had NO turnovers

We had 500 yards of offense.

 

And by the way, this isn't even the THE game we all remember from the 95 season. Let that sink in. Deeper, deeper, a little deeper.

 

Now - what does this have to do with Nebraska Right NOW?

 

After decades of frustration, TO created a perfect storm for 5 seasons that simply will NEVER be repeated by anyone again. We have to move on and realize that hopefully in the next 15 years BO can create a perfect storm, too. Meanwhile, we gotta settle for some 3 or 4 loss seasons.

No penalties....what a novel concept.

10-2 regular season:

Southern Miss-W

UCLA-W

Arkansas Statte-W

TBA- no idea who its gonna be, but its a W anyways

Wisconsin-W

Ohio State-L

Northwestern-W

Michigan-L

Michigan State-W

Penn State-W

Minnesota-W

Iowa-W

 

Michigan plays for the B1G CG, we get a at-large birth for a BCS game

I'm curious as to why many think we're going to lose to Ohio State next year? Is it because they will retain their quarterback? Is it because people are convinced that Urban Meyer will go in, wave his magic wand and Ohio State will be #1 immediately? Just curious to understand the criterion that folks are using to secure this loss for us.

No, I think it is because they have an ideal QB for his system and his is the best coach in the B10. He was not at Florida very long and he won a NC with Chris Leak. B Miller is better than C Leak imo. tOSU was good on defense, but had a terrible offense, which will be fixed. An elite coach turns around a team quickly. Look what Hoke did in Michigan and Urban is much better than him and has talent that fits his system more than what Hoke inherited. I hope they suck, but I don't think that will happen.

For some outside perspective.............(since the inhabitants of this board are all pretty frustrated right now with the lingering images of the bowl game still fresh)...............

 

I heard today on the Zone (haven't checked it out, but THEY were saying...........) that Vegas has us at 30-1 to win the Mythical National Championship.............which is second only to Michigan in the B!G.......!!

 

Now I'm not running out to bet the mortgage on it, but obviously outsiders (who may have more of an objective view than we do)............think we will be pretty decent.....

They said K-State was 25 to 1...better odds than us...fail.

T.O. coached teams very rarely beat themselves. This is what is so frustrating for me. He didn't always have top notch talent but they were very disciplined. Husker fans are upset at the way the team plays. Sloppy.

This.

I'd rather be beaten by 50, than lose by 3 after beating ourselves. If we are not the best team on the field, so be it, we can get better, but if we are as good or better and lose...that disgusts me.

As a gamecock fan, of all the Husker players I saw on Monday, David impressed me the most.

As a Husker fan, of all the Husker players I've seen since Suh left, David impressed me the most.

8-5

 

Losses to OSU, Mich, Mich lite, Wiscy, and Iowa or PSU. Just my feeling.

Unfortunately, I think that record is pretty close. Not sure I agree with the losses you've selected, but I think we'll be 8-5.

Our non-con is no slouch with Southern Miss (only team to beat Houston this year), UCLA (will be better with Mora), Ark State and an yet to be named cupcake I'm sure.

Wiscy will not be as good, but they crushed us this year, gonna be a tough win.

tOSU will be much improved with Urban, B Miller torched us last year, under Urban and us missing David...OUCH.

Northwestern, should be better. They graduate their starting QB, but the backup, that hurt us more, is back.

Michigan, should be much better in Hoke's 2nd season and beat us 45-17 this year. It will be in Lincoln. They say home field is worth 3...not nearly enough imo.

Sparty, we'll be on the road and they'll be hungry to avenge loss. No Cousins, but he didn't impress me.

Penn State is a debacle, I think we'll roll them.

Minnesota. A gimme. But so was ISU and NW. We lose that one game we have no business losing each season.

Iowa. We should beat them, but if we've struggled thus far, wheels will be coming off.

Schedule is rough and with no David and Dennard, I'm worried. Hopefully the JuCo CB will be great. And Green is better, but he was horrid early, so better doesn't mean good. Compton improved by leaps and bounds, but is and never will be a David type player, he is just not that guy. And who else at LB? D-line? Do we have a D-line?

Offensively, I don't see that we established a lot this season long term. Tmart improved, but will never, imo, be a big time QB and I don't think we take advantage of his strengths. None of the fresh RB's developed much. Did Heard or Green develop at all in the 2nd half of season? Bell looks good at WR, but Quincy didn't get used at all the 2nd half and Jamal was buried. The O-line was excellent early, but a train-wreck late. I just don't see a lot of improvement coming.

Not trying to hammer the team here, but I'm just calling it as I see it. I think it is gonna be a loooong 2012 for us.

Not good form to say this publicly even if it is something that he truly thinks. We miss you Marvin.

Why? We excuse Bo not being able to handle the media but we crucify an assistant coach, why does Bo get a pass when he should know better than Raymond, btw Raymond is not wrong. Or we're o.k. when the "Jamal Drill" is used by a coach (which went just as public as what Raymond said), but a coach can't say he wish he could play different players.

And we might just want to let the Marvin thing go.

lol, when has Bo gotten a pass with how he handles the media? I see him torched all the time for that.

Funny thing that he said this. I just had this conversation with a guy at the coffee shop the other day - saying how I wonder if part of the problem with this team is that we walk out of the tunnel thinking "We're Nebraska" as if that still means what it used to mean. When the reality that we are NOT that Nebraska hits, these teams seem to collapse. These collapses span three coaches. They span more than a decade. The one constant is the N on the side of the helmet.

 

I think, maybe, it's why teams come in to Lincoln as big underdogs and give us a huge battle - or beat us (2009 ISU, 2010 NW). They know we're not that Nebraska. Maybe it's time we learned that, too.

 

Great coments. In the past, we beat a team this year so badly so that for the remainder of the contract/conference etc we had already won. No one wanted face NU again after the beating that they received the previous years. We were a mean physical team that teams honestly feared to play after playing us once. We lost that edge, that mystique. Raymond, a non-Nebraska guy seems to get that with his comments. Time folks remembered what Nebraska was and get back to that. Beck this includes your crappy play calling.

Yep, and when we had that "edge" when did you EVER hear our coaches publicly question our players heart, talent, and fight? Never. That is now what great coaches do. Period. Even if it is true, you don't publicly berate your players. Players need to want to run through a wall for their coaches and have 100% belief and trust in them. Do you think our secondary players will feel that way about Raymond now? I highly doubt it. It's like the kid on the playground that runs to Mommy, even if he is right...all credibility is gone.

"Our guys didn't do what they were coached to do," Pelini said of the play. "Period. End of story."

 

 

 

I find this to be very concerning. You don't throw your team under the bus like this. These are YOUR players, Pelini and it's YOUR responsibility to get them to play like you coach them to.

You'll find this out when you have kids. Bo's not throwing the team under the bus-he's just telling the truth. You can coach a kid til you're blue in the face but if they don't do what you've coached them to do then what can you do? When you tell your kid, 'Don't touch that hot stove, it will burn you!' and they turn around and touch it, what can you do? So how is it Bo's responsibility to get them to play like he coaches them? He can't go out on the field and hold their hand! My point is this: At some point, these kids are going to have to be accountable for what they are taught in practice. They are going to have to be responsible for their mistakes. No one says anything when these kids do what they were coached to do. Everything is fine then. But when they don't execute it's all the coach's fault. I'm sorry, I don't buy that. Do we have problems? Yep. But can we really blame all of this on the coach?

 

lol, That post is amazing on so many levels. I can see that coaching technique you speak of. Coach:"Hey kid, don't let that WR score a TD." WR streaks past DB and scores. Coach: "Dammit, you didn't listen. I CLEARLY told you to not let him score and you ignored me and he scored a TD." Coach in post game presser: "Lack of execution, we need more talent."

 

We clearly have coaching problems. Every season is basically the same thing. All players are different, yet we still see the same trends. That is on coaching, plain and simple. Look at our offense for example. The past 3 seasons it has started off very well and has, over the course of the season, eroded to pretty much pathetic by seasons end. Mistakes, penalties, poor execution, whatever the excuse, it's always the same.

What should they do? Go out and hold the players hand? Make the play for them? Sorry but at some point they HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR POSITION. If they can't do that then they need to be pulled but Bo isn't willing to do that. THAT Is what sticks in my craw.

You defend the coaches and say it is all on the players, yet you say that it drives you nuts that players don't get pulled. That is EXACTLY what should happen. Accountability is the key. We seem to hold some play WAY too accountable, Jamal Turner, yet some players seem to have no accountability, Tim Marlow. One guy drops a pass and it is benchville while the other guy drops a pass and nothing happens. Players, especially amateur players, need consistency.

In a post a little above this one, a poster mentioned when player "consistently do not execute" that it is on the coaches. That is hitting the nail on the head. Flukes happen, bad plays happen, occasional penalties happen, that is not what we are seeing at NU. We are seeing a pattern that has stemmed for seasons. That is coach, not personnel.