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LOL...the President your party put in office literally is doing everything Putin tells him to do....which is tearing apart our country, our economy and our long time relationships with allies around the world. And it's the libs fault. Got it.

Really wish people would admit they know nothing about offensive line play when they complain about it every game. Raiola's lines have gotten better every single year. I was skeptical after year one, but I'm comfortable with the results so far. Our biggest offensive issues are no with the line and hopefully they stay that way this year.

There's nothing funny about the destruction of our government at all. The solution to spending money on things that we shouldn't is to thoughtfully assess what we're wasting money on and stop doing that. Trump and his nazi buddy are wrecking governmental institutions that everyday Americans rely on. They are terminating the employment of people we need, many of them veterans. This cavalier attitude toward what they're doing is gross.

There's no both-siding a situation where an administration has been willfully infiltrated by a foreign regime that wishes to destroy the United States from within. This isn't a liberal/conservative dichotomy. This is those standing on one side of the fight to save our democracy vs those that, for whatever reason, could give two s#!ts less. It takes an inordinate amount of naivete to believe Putin has any intentions of being besties with any democracy especially ours. Posters noting and taking umbrage with this unprecedented and destructive turn of events are comically labeled as far-left when not so long ago the likes of Reagan was leading the war against Russia's attempts at destabilizing our system of government and that of our allies. Now our current administration has flipped sides in the most open example of Putin's expansionist intentions and the MAGA tact is to blame Zelensky and the Democrats. Trump never had any intention of making a deal for minerals that no US company is going to try to extract in the middle of a war zone. Clearly there are only two options to explain why someone would regurgitate Russian talking point in the guise of "it's only my opinion" . One is willful ignorance of Russia's past actions and future intentions. The other is full support of the current fascistic element rising around the globe. There are no other options. We're literally now considering giving Putin one of his long standing goals..the breakup of NATO. How much clearer does it need to be?

You guys are much more measured in your responses than I’m going to be. Trump and Vance can rest in piss for that pathetic display of gutless bullying of someone with the stones to stand up to Putin instead of choking on his balls. We’re the bad guys here.

At least they’re being honest with how little they care how much he abuses his power?

Throwing up multiple Sieg Heils and defending Hitler on your website makes you a Nazi. Or golly gee willickers, this guy who isn’t a Nazi sure is saying and doing a lot of Nazi things. There’s a reason normies tried the same crap he was doing to be le funny and got s#!tcanned from their jobs. It is astounding how far people will bend over backwards to defend this crap because of tribalism.

Boycotting Tesla is illegal and tantamount to domestic terrorism. At least so sayeth rhe guy who bought one today on the White House lawn. Jimmy Carter sold his GD peanut farm and these idiots just prop up their private businesses with their government power. Pathetic.

So, according to MAGA, it’s patriotic to boycott bud light because they filmed a transgender woman with a can of it. But it’s horrible to be protesting Tesla because the richest man in the world who owns it is helping destroy our government and economy. Great job Republicans!!!

An uneducated population is easier to control. It really is that simple.

If people ever wondered how the original nazis came to power, it's exactly like what's happening with the conversation you're having. All it takes is for enough people to give them enough space so the nazis can do their thing. You don't have to be a nazi to allow the nazis to take power. You just have to be willing to look the other way.

This is a shameful disgrace. Never in my lifetime have I been ashamed to be an American citizen. Trump is berating our ally, a country full of people that have weathered 3 years of a terrible war, for fighting for their country against an invading army, as if he was Putin himself. It's amazing Trump can even speak with Putin's member so far down his throat. And Vance? What a cowering little b****. Captian bone spurs talking down to a president that put on a uniform and fought alongside his people like he's a big brave man. What a joke. I am a proud American. My ancestors came on the Mayflower, starved in Jamestown, survived Salem, signed the Declaration, fought alongside Washington and later Grant, were in Pearl Harbor and Nagasaki, stormed the beaches of Normandy, and built the Panama Canal. They are all rolling in their graves seeing what thier sacrifices have been diminished to. They have sullied our once great nation and in so short a time destroyed all that we have stood for. May anyone who voted for or attempts to defend this abomination of an administration reap themselves the fate of the Ukranian people they have turned their backs on.

Yeah….because it’s appropriate for a president to target law firms that are mean to him.

I mean when people do nazi salutes its only natural to think they are nazis.You know what he said right after saluting? It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured. Not our country, civilization. On the same day at 2:14 he tweeted 14 flags. Have you ever heard of the 14 words? It was a nazi dog whistle as much as you want to deny it. And as much as Elon wants to avoid it he can't. He can cry and say poor me what did I even do but he knows what he did. That's the classic nazi play, they are cowards through and through. You don't see it because you refuse to but the nazis are in charge and you are literally supporting them.

Glad to know you have fallen into line and are ok with destroying relationships with our long time allies like Canada and threatening them about the 51st state. Glad you are also perfectly fine with detaining people who have not been shown to have committed a crime and are here legally and sending them to a third country with no due process. Also glad you have fallen in line with being ok with the administration totally ignoring court orders.

Tell me you have no idea what you're talking about, without telling me you have no fricken clue what you are talking about. - We should have a thread called "Archy's inept policy thoughts" and that should be the only place he is allowed to posts his nonsense.

I don't see it as destruction. I suspect in the end we will not even notice. I am curious what the purpose of this thread is. Is it to find and ban Trump voters from the board? That would fit the lefts M. O. They seem to like banning and censoring folks that do not share their opinions. If it is to find someone to blame for Trump getting elected, the left should look the in mirror. Most do not realize they created an environment that helped create Trump 2.0, and they continue to make the same mistakes. If a bunch of old ladies sing church hymns across from an abortion clinic, it is egregious, and they should get the book thrown at them. If people burn other people's Teslas and vandalize dealerships, it's OK because it's a "righteous" cause. What is the cause? Oh yeah, Musk is a Nazi. The left has a new "ism" card to play. Guess what. Nobody is listening (had to quote Andor )... at least most aren't listening anymore. Its banging a gong. When someone tagged me on this thread to ask a question about Ukaine, they wondered where I had been. I figured the political topic had probably devolved into a dozen threads where people were just ranting about Trump for group therapy, so why bother. Plus the Political topic is a huge time sync. I have enjoyed throwing in the occasional "grenade" and reading the results, but I really do not have the time to spend here. I can't wait for football season. Enjoy the safe space.

So now everyone is good with war? Just want to make sure because I thought Trump was the peace president. Cant keep up with all the flip flops.

There's really only one way to read Elon's post. He is in the process of firing legions of public sector workers while people are comparing him to Hitler. So he accuses German public sector works of being the murderers, not Hitler. It's both stupid and despicable. If you insist on taking his analogy literally in order to absolve Elon Musk, he would be suggesting that today's public sector workers should reject the immoral orders from above, which might include refusing to let DOGE bros have unsupervised access to vital records and finances. If you want to reach back to "insane" mask mandates, I don't recall them being particularly well enforced and indeed many chose not to follow them. Most cases involved private sector workers and private sector policies --- minimum wage kids at Target asking unmasked customers to please follow store policy, at which point they would be loudly berated and captured in a viral video. Many people refused to wear masks and faced no legal consequence. Every locale was different. Many people figured it was a pretty minor inconvenience, given a global pandemic that went on to kill 1 million Americans. You gotta admit, it's a bit of a leap from a minor inconvenience designed to save lives to burning millions of people to death in ovens.

what do you call people who defend hitler? i call them Nazis.

If I was Z/Ukraine, I wouldn’t trust US intelligence any further than I could throw Trump. Besides that, US intelligence is no better than an oxymoron at this point. I’ll believe this deal when it proves out to not be lopsided in russia’s favor.

Boy it's funny to get smug condescension from MAGAs on Constitutionality when their leader would burn it and piss on the ashes if it gave him an ounce of additional power. Normies don't want more sewage in their water. That doesn't compute to MAGAs because they're extremist weirdos convinced they're winning.

How is this funny? These astronauts have been in space for 8 months because Biden refused to bring them home.

What Archy fails to understand is that one can be a conservative and still recognize that the greater threat at this point in our nation isn't from the left, it is from the far right. But conservative politics has been redefined by Trump and his ilk whereby alt right nationalism is now considered conservativism. Ronald Reagan would have recognized it for what it is - a threat and not a complimentary policy difference. Those of us who were Reagan conservatives would now be considered very moderate by today's GOP party. Therefore we are without a party. Regarding the left leaning politics of the Dems, I believe we can survive and repair any short term bad policies. The left in the USA isn't the socialist/communist left of Europe. However, the alt right nationalism we are facing now, is very much growing towards the fascism of the 1930s in Europe. Besides, If we are to error one way or the other, it is better to error towards a more humanitarian left, then towards authoritarianism on the right.

What insane world do we live in? "If you don't agree you just call them a nazi" no I'm calling them a nazi because of all of the nazi s#!t they do. Like wtf?

I haven’t seen and don’t receive “talking points”. I watch a bit of news, am aware of what Trump has done already and watch some video clips of things he says and does. I remember him flat denying any knowledge of Project 2025 only to then appoint the architects of it to government positions and then begin following it to a T. This isn’t a talking point, Trump is a lying, grifting piece of s#!t that can’t be trusted (unless you happen to be for everything he has and will do.) I feel sorry for you. You’ve been duped. Wantonly, willfully or by accident, it doesn’t matter at this point. You are on the wrong side and won’t or don’t want to see things for the way they actually are. You are a waste of my time. Buh bye.

Those are future threats. Russia has obviously infiltrated the White House and is a present existential threat.

hi ivan. how is the weather in moscow tonight? or is it morning over there now?

Speaking strictly as the originator of the thread, I think my initial post was honest and clear. Of course it's a trap, but it's really weird to be in a P&R Forum where not a single poster admits voting for Donald Trump in what should be a triumphant moment for Republicans. I can't think of anything more important than figuring this out moving forward. I'm a notorious free speech purist and against virtually any board ban, so no, that's not my purpose. Pretty much the opposite. Of course we still have posters willing to make excuses for Donald Trump and spread blame for liberals, but apparently the risk of a Kamala Harris presidency was not enough to warrant their vote for Donald Trump. I guess we could talk about that, but I'm still saving the spotlight for any of the 79 million Americans who voted for Donald Trump. Just one. We're still stuck on zero. And yeah, I've looked in the mirror. This same board is full of threads dissecting what the Democratic Party did wrong, the rightward drift we should have recognized, the demographics we took for granted, our s#!tty messaging. But are you suggesting the Dems gave you no choice but to vote for Donald Trump? Including two open primaries? Not saying YOU voted for him, of course, just the other 79 million who didn't hold the ethical line like you did. But here's the real crux. This isn't Trump Derangement Syndrome. We're being asked to accept derangement as the new normal. It's not just butt hurt libs making a fuss; a billion people around the world are going "seriously America? What the f#&%!?" It's wrong to think what's happening is okay. Some of it is literally crazy. Not the entertaining crazy some of you want to sell. Just straight up irrational cruelty. Put another way: if we could go back to 2015 and tell you what might happen in the next 10 years if an unspecified Republican is elected President, and instead of "might happen" we listed everything that literally did happen, the Archy's and Nics of HB would laugh and say "never gonna happen, bro, you are soooooooooo paranoid." Of that I am sure. So yeah. It's a conversation I still want to have. An unapologetic Trump voter telling us how they feel about the Trump 2.0 rollout. Again, not pretending they won't get angry pushback, but uhm......it's the Politics & Religion Forum. It's supposed to happen.

Well done Columbus

Just to point out if that occurs, it would literally drive me, a productive young member of the workforce, into bankruptcy and perpetual poverty. Specifically I was going to use PSLF by working with generally poorer people so I could discharge my debt by the book. Bet they try everything possible to undermine people trying to use it now. Doesn’t affect them though. Human lives are just lines on a spreadsheet. They already made these things hard as hell to discharge if something goes wrong. Not affected by actual bankruptcy, they’ll come after your family if you die, etc. All this to say I cannot understate just how massive out-of-touch chodes these guys are.

This pretty much sums up Trump supporters. Just do something even if it’s the wrong thing to do. My preference is, first do no harm. Do the right thing or do nothing. Doing the wrong things is oftentimes worse than doing nothing at all. Trump has been proving this at breakneck speed. Maybe some of you will catch on when it begins to affect you very directly.

Come on. Anytime something makes Trump and republicans look bad, it’s malicious according to archy. One of the funniest posts you’ve had in a long time.

Totally bro. I apologize let me fix it for you. Random Twitter accounts aren't reliable sources of information. Also Elon Musk is a drug addled nazi sucking at the teet of the American taxpayer. Are you happy now?

At this point for Elon Musk yes. He did multiple nazi salutes, he amplifies nazi messaging and hitler apologists on the digital media site he owns. He isn't just in American politics he is all over the world with it. Nazi stuff aside which is extremely alarming in and of itself, the richest man in the world has his hands in the highest levels of US government. That is a thought that made conservatives lose it when the billionaire and president are left leaning. The amount of George soros conspiracies are dizzying yet with Elon it's cool bro!

He's not a nazi (repeated quietly to oneself while rocking in the fetal position)

Hes using the bully pulpit to sell s#!tty cars for the richest man baby in the world. He has truly morphed into a used car salesman.

You know the Putin propaganda is being swallowed whole hog when the NATO expansionism into Ukraine is blamed for Russia's illegal murderous campaign of terror. It's just more victim blaming. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-was-never-about-nato/ "Russia’s remarkably relaxed reaction to the NATO accession of Finland and Sweden stands in stark contrast to the hysteria over Ukraine’s far less substantial ties to the military alliance. In the months leading up to Russia’s February 2022 full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Putin and other Kremlin leaders told the world that the escalating crisis was due to years of provocative NATO expansion, while warning that deepening ties between the Alliance and Ukraine represented a red line. In reality, however, Ukraine in early 2022 was not even remotely close to joining NATO.Far from pursuing Ukraine, the Alliance had repeatedly sidestepped appeals from Kyiv for a Membership Action Plan, refusing to offer even a clear signal regarding future accession. On the eve of Russia’s invasion, the most optimistic forecasts indicated that Ukraine’s dream of joining NATO was still decades away." "It is hard to see any military logic behind the dramatically different Russian reactions to NATO’s Nordic enlargement and the Alliance’s involvement in Ukraine. After all, while a theoretical future NATO presence inside Ukraine could pose a range of major headaches for military planners in Moscow, the recent accession of Finland has already doubled the length of Russia’s shared border with the Alliance overnight. Swedish membership will arguably be even more consequential for Russia, transforming the Baltic Sea into a NATO lake. If Russia is so apparently unconcerned by these very real military challenges, why was Putin prepared to launch the biggest European war since World War II over the far more distant prospect of Ukrainian NATO membership?' "It is clear from Putin’s own actions that he understands perfectly well NATO will never attack Russia. This should come as no surprise. Indeed, the entire notion of NATO invading Russia is recognized as absurd by all but the terminally swivel-eyed. This does not mean Russian objections to NATO’s post-1991 enlargement are entirely insincere; on the contrary, the growing presence of the Alliance in the former Eastern Bloc over the past thirty years is perhaps the leading source of geopolitical bitterness and resentment throughout the Russian establishment. However, it is critical to clarify that this indignation has nothing to do with legitimate security concerns. NATO is not a threat to Russian security; NATO is a threat to Russian foreign policy because it prevents Russia from bullying its neighbors. In other words, NATO enlargement is no more or less provocative than a burglar alarm is to a thief."

Everything? EVER? In not following this war closely did you ever hear that Ukraine was interested in NATO membership because it feared Russia would do something aggressive, dangerous, and against Europe's best interest, like invade and takeover Ukraine? Something the pre-war Archy1221 would have dismissed as libtard fear-mongering? (parenthetical excuses don't really cover for ALL CAP stupidities)

We’re creeping closer and closer to McCarthyism, House Un-American Activities-type bulls#!t here. If they’ve got proof he’s a terrorist sympathizer, let them show it. Until then they’re liars who are abusing their authority and blatantly infringing on any number of Constitutional freedoms: freedom of speech, right of peaceful assembly, etc. Reminder that these spineless f#&%ers don’t really support 1A in any kind of real way. Only when it’s convenient.

Trump is a really s#!tty negotiator and his foreign policy is impotent and ineffective. He works with at least one hand tied behind his back because he's afraid of offending Putin. Why? His bullying of the good guys is not working and he's pissing off the rest of the free world by being an evil, greedy douchebag no matter how much he talks about wanting peace. Pay attention to what they do, not what they say. Applies to Trump, Vance, Elon, the whole lot of them. They can lie but they can't hide their actions. Not gonna lie, I'd pay good money to watch Elon take on anyone in "physical combat." What a super weird thing to say. Dude would get his a$$ handed to him by the local Girl Scout troop.

This is just the start of them demonizing protestors, so that when they start shooting them a lot of people decide they deserved it.

I personally don't think Trump is going to do that. I think they're going to try and comply in the least helpful way possible, but I don't think they're going to ignore SCOTUS. I think in an alternate reality where the first month of his Presidency was a smashing success, DOGE actually uncovered a $1 Trillion in waste, the stock market was up 10% and the public was overwhelmingly enthusiastic about him, then honestly it's possible. They could've tested their Executive Authority by ignoring the court since public opinion would've no doubt been on his side. But instead Trump 2.0 is just over a month old and it's already an embarrassing unmitigated disaster at all fronts. Job growth has gone down, the stock market is stagnant, it's clear that they're overrun by Kremlin assets, Elon Musk is imploding before our eyes, and they're allowing open and unmitigated corruption - and that's not evening mentioning that they've shredded SEVEN DECADES of America's standing with our allies in just a few weeks with absolutely nothing to show for it. The Trump Administration has already crossed the event horizon of a black hole of embarrassment and futility. It took all of 3 weeks to reach a level that his administration will not recover from, and quite frankly, does not show the competence or ability to recover even if they wanted to - which they quite clearly do not.

I saw this posted elsewhere: "I cannot tell a lie" - George Washington "I cannot tell the truth" - Donald Trump "I cannot tell the difference" - MAGA

Perhaps @Archy1221 is just a paid Trump agent who gives cover for all of the other GOP / MAGA supporters by being the front man arguing the MAGA cause so that the others don't have to expose themselves. I mean, not many others are speaking up on behalf of the trump chaos. It is hard to defend the undefendable but Archy charges on. I for one, have placed him back on ignore as it is too depressing to read his posts in light of the obvious fact that he supports perhaps the slimiest, least qualified, president ever who also happens to be a convicted felon and convicted rapist and very likely a Russian agent (most likely unwilling because Putin has the goods on him). If not an agent, then he's just a narcistic idiot, emotionally weak and self centered child who craves the admiration of strongmen worldwide.

Ummm how was it staged? I assume you watched all 49 minutes. Because up until minute 40ish, some sort of a deal was agreed to and the press conference was cordial and tense at times. Then the last question is about to get asked and Zelensky decides to go at it with Vance. if Zelensky doesn’t say anything at that point the press conference ends and some document gets signed. Seems far from staged

And I'm pretty sure Zelensky has literally said thank you while speaking to congress. These people are absolute pieces of s#!t.