Cactusboy

I answered this before...maybe to you even. You can go back and look for it if you want. This question has not been answered in this thread, unless I missed it. Pretty sure I answered it or a similar one earlier. Besides it's obviously a loaded question, w/ no honest/good intent. MLB is the same one that said Britain gave the land to the Arabs and it belonged to Israel. and he never answered my reply to that. http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/57769-why-would-israel-attack-iran/page__view__findpost__p__918895

So is that how all conflicts should be discussed? Is there any conflict where one side is lily white? Are you going to hold this standard for all conflicts you discuss? It's a case-by-case basis, of course. So you pick and choose or is there some sort of criteria? US vs Al Qaeda. How do you rule that one?

I answered this before...maybe to you even. You can go back and look for it if you want.

So is that how all conflicts should be discussed? Is there any conflict where one side is lily white? Are you going to hold this standard for all conflicts you discuss?

The international law side...the universal principles side.

So you knew it was as bad as to promote the lie of "Arrafat walked away from 99% of what he wanted"(paraphrased)? You knew there were biased enough to promote that lie..and not tell how those negotiations actually ended? It seems you don't care about degrees. THe media is biased so it doesn't matter to what degree they are. The Arabs have done bad...and so have Israel...it doesn't matter to what degree each has. It all seems like a cop out to me...which can be very convenient if you're on the right "side".

This thread looks painful to keep up w/ just by scrolling through it. Has any video or pic shown up yet?

and you said that Hamas is notorious for breaking cease fires...and that's just not what the facts show. Again...I understand why you think how you do. Your understanding is probably based on how/what our major news outlets report on. You saw in the Morning Joe clip how ignorant Scarborough is on the subject and he was a fricking US Congressman. It's classic that he thinks he has it all right because he reads the NYT and other major news rags. I hope you at least can now see that the story we get from our media is GROSSLY biased and I've only touched on examples of it.

Well from the link...

as far as the stait issue...here is an old link/article I posted on pedia long ago. http://www.pon.harvard.edu/hnp/middleeast/oped1967.shtml"]http://www.pon.harvard.edu/hnp/middleeast/oped1967.shtml"]http://www.pon.harvard.edu/hnp/middleeast/oped1967.shtml[/url]

http://www.foreignpo...not-preemptive/ Unconvincing in the face of the blockade of Eilat, not to mention the ouster of UN troops from Sinai by Egypt immediately prior to the war. Further, the bulk of the armies of Syria and Jordan were on their borders with Israel, not to mention members of the Iraqi military (which shares no border with Israel). The blockade alone could be construed as an act of war. and yet after all of that....they still made those very quotes. It seems you should be arguing it with them on this one. I'm just the messenger.

now you've done it, you will be scolded for that remark. Don't you know he loves the Jewish people he just doesn't love the govt or them living anywhere in the middle east. They need to all go back to where they came from and he can love them there!! Let's all sing cumbaya!! Knapp...this is the guy you were thankful to be on your "side". That is a disgusting low blow. You owe johnny an apology. why do you assume I was being negative? Maybe it's your that owes him the appology?

from the same link. There also quotes from our own intelligence, but they aren't on this link.

We already covered that. If you are outspoken about the horrors done by black leaders in Africa do you not like black people? I have no problem any race of people. I do have a problem with stupidity though. My problem with your argument is you seem to be singling out the acts of the Jewish people. Anybody who makes a counter argument seems to have "stunningly superficial knowledge" many times I've denounced the terrorism that the Palestinians use. What else is there to say or single out? Both sides should follow international law. It's not my fault if one side violates it more.

This is another disingenuous allegation. Both sides were heavily prepared for war. Two-thirds of the entire Egyptian military were on the Israeli borders. Iraq, Syria and Jordan all had large contingents on the Israeli border. This is not a peace-time maneuver. Don't pretend that Israel attacked a sleeping enemy like Japan. Not even close. EVERYONE that mattered KNEW Egypt wasn't going to attack. They are quoted as saying so...Israel's leader and US intelligence agreed they weren't going to and wouldn't have attacked. I can provide the quotes if needed. See how most have such a warped version of what's happened over there throughout the decades? How many outright lies do I need to show before you can admit it's greatly skewed? Step away from the conventional wisdom and into reality. Quoted where? Source, please. I'm somewhat familiar w/ one of the quotes so I googled part of it " ' we must be honest' egypt" and found this along w/ many results. I didn't check what this site is, but the quote and others are all over the internets, so I can find other sources if needed. http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/07/04/israels-attack-on-egypt-in-june-67-was-not-preemptive/

This is true. Isreal is not classified as a terrorist organization by the West. South Africa was during Apartheid. What does that tell you? There were also very violent Jewish terrorist groups fighting for Israel's statehood up until the very moment it was granted. THey bombed marketplaces, theaters and cafes, etc. Members of the group/s went onto be top leaders of Israel. What does that tell you? Who classified South Africa as a terrorist state? Source please. \ My bad...Nelson Mandela and his group were classified as a terrorist group.

now you've done it, you will be scolded for that remark. Don't you know he loves the Jewish people he just doesn't love the govt or them living anywhere in the middle east. They need to all go back to where they came from and he can love them there!! Let's all sing cumbaya!! Knapp...this is the guy you were thankful to be on your "side".

This is another disingenuous allegation. Both sides were heavily prepared for war. Two-thirds of the entire Egyptian military were on the Israeli borders. Iraq, Syria and Jordan all had large contingents on the Israeli border. This is not a peace-time maneuver. Don't pretend that Israel attacked a sleeping enemy like Japan. Not even close. EVERYONE that mattered KNEW Egypt wasn't going to attack. They are quoted as saying so...Israel's leader and US intelligence agreed they weren't going to and wouldn't have attacked. I can provide the quotes if needed. See how most have such a warped version of what's happened over there throughout the decades? How many outright lies do I need to show before you can admit it's greatly skewed? Step away from the conventional wisdom and into reality. Yeah, and everyone believed them because they would never lie? I wouldn't care that much either if I lived in the US about the 1967 troop build up. But if Canada had troops from the soviet Union, China and Iran on our border right now I would be thinking a whole lot different no matter who said they weren't going to attack!! You have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it's almost embarrassing to listen to you.

We already covered that. If you are outspoken about the horrors done by black leaders in Africa do you not like black people?

This is another disingenuous allegation. Both sides were heavily prepared for war. Two-thirds of the entire Egyptian military were on the Israeli borders. Iraq, Syria and Jordan all had large contingents on the Israeli border. This is not a peace-time maneuver. Don't pretend that Israel attacked a sleeping enemy like Japan. Not even close. I told you so!! Enjoy the dance!! STEEEEEEEERIKE 2!!

This is another disingenuous allegation. Both sides were heavily prepared for war. Two-thirds of the entire Egyptian military were on the Israeli borders. Iraq, Syria and Jordan all had large contingents on the Israeli border. This is not a peace-time maneuver. Don't pretend that Israel attacked a sleeping enemy like Japan. Not even close. EVERYONE that mattered KNEW Egypt wasn't going to attack. They are quoted as saying so...Israel's leader and US intelligence agreed they weren't going to and wouldn't have attacked. I can provide the quotes if needed. See how most have such a warped version of what's happened over there throughout the decades? How many outright lies do I need to show before you can admit it's greatly skewed? Step away from the conventional wisdom and into reality.

This is true. Isreal is not classified as a terrorist organization by the West. South Africa was during Apartheid. What does that tell you? There were also very violent Jewish terrorist groups fighting for Israel's statehood up until the very moment it was granted. THey bombed marketplaces, theaters and cafes, etc. Members of the group/s went onto be top leaders of Israel. What does that tell you?

There is an entire new can of worms. Hope you packed a lunch. Shall we dig in and see what happened?

Now who's moving the goal posts? Nobody said this was ONLY about Hamas. It's about Israel and their occupation of territories, and the response of Palestinians. Hamas is only one group, and we're talking about them for the moment. All of Palestine is responding to Israel, though, and we're going to be dealing with the entirety of the situation, not just specific groups. Have to. Can't take it piecemeal, because it's not a situation of having truces with one group for all groups. Knapp I am going to give you some advice. We went round and round before on this subject. He will change and move the posts forever. He is right and you can't tell him a thing, the best you can do is just let him spout and throw up his little jabs and be done with it. He can't even say bombing a bus of innocent people is wrong without somehow tying it to the Israeli govt. and their policies that are the real cause of the killings. Just a little advice!! Still haven't learned to wait for my response, huh? Don't worry, we'll wait for you to take the foot out of your mouth. WHAT????? You chimed in before I had a chance to respond. My response showed knapp was wrong. I showed his quote where he specifically only said Hamas. You don't follow along well.

Now who's moving the goal posts? Nobody said this was ONLY about Hamas. It's about Israel and their occupation of territories, and the response of Palestinians. Hamas is only one group, and we're talking about them for the moment. All of Palestine is responding to Israel, though, and we're going to be dealing with the entirety of the situation, not just specific groups. Have to. Can't take it piecemeal, because it's not a situation of having truces with one group for all groups. Knapp I am going to give you some advice. We went round and round before on this subject. He will change and move the posts forever. He is right and you can't tell him a thing, the best you can do is just let him spout and throw up his little jabs and be done with it. He can't even say bombing a bus of innocent people is wrong without somehow tying it to the Israeli govt. and their policies that are the real cause of the killings. Just a little advice!! Thank you. It's helpful to speak with someone with experience. No problem, I fell into that trap and no matter what the facts are or the amount of evidence it is Israel's fault!! I'm sure you feel that way about most topics you discuss w/ people you disagree w/ on here.