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The fact that you are latching onto his misspelling of Saban when you don't use punctuation or paragraphs tells me you don't have a counter argument and are nitpicking in order to discredit his opinion. It's a classic ad hominem tactic.

Well my wheelhouse is football- not video games, basements of dungeons and dragons. But I dont comment or debate those subjects

When Im discussing a topic Im debating, I know enough about that subject to be able to actually spell it correctly, or I wont bother commenting

If I didnt know enough about the subject to talk intelligently about it, I wouldnt bother debating it. But thats just me

Thats why some guys have 8,000 posts and others have just 800

As to the structure of the posts- I always try and speak to the audience. The ones that need it most seem to have a real reading and comprehension problem

So doing everything this way makes it easier for them to read and follow

If we were having a debate about proper punctuation and sentence structure in an English Lit forum, I would write differently or not comment at all

But this isnt that type of forum, what matters is the topics at hand- Husker Football

If leaving periods out really gets to someone, they probably need to get some very serious counseling, I'll leave those trivial details to the hall pass monitors and safety patrol nerds we used to walk right by when we were kids

Today in 2015 Uniforms should be part of the recruiting budget

If you coach or work with High School kids ask them who the teams they are interested in and what got them interested in those teams in the first place

You wont hear, well they were the only ones playing on TV and they won a bunch so that's why Im a fan of X

Reality is there is a group of kids out there and that group is growing who got their initial interest because of unique and different uniforms

It doesnt matter that brand x or y has good quality gear for the non serious athlete or is liked by 40 year old men who play golf or watch football on tv

What matters is does that uniform resonate with your future players-which will eventually improve the product on the field - if we get good coaching

Ask todays kids, go to a camp that isnt being watched by scouts and see what you see

Here in Nebraska- its less and less NU gear

30-40 years ago none of these kids cared much about visors, spats, custom gloves, custom socks, different/modern uniforms and helmets

Lots of the 2015 players do, not all, but a good number

It is what it is, to ignore it is to be left behind

The 17-18 year old football kids of today have no interest in anything adidas

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't realize Miles was the HC at Colorado and Michigan.

 

If you want past success. Riley won two grey cups actually as a HC. Bo won an NC as a coordinator. Where did that put him as an HC?

 

Nick Saben was 34-24-1 with his best year being 2nd in the conference and he never won a bowl game at MSU before he went to LSU and won an NC 4 years later.

 

Dantonio is 75 -31 at MSU with a lot more hardware to show for it. Saben never got them there but a different coach could. I'm guessing Saben is a pretty good coach.

 

It is your opinion that a 62 year old coach can't get it done here and you are basing that off of what he did at a school with much less to offer recruits than Nebraska.

 

You're entitled to that opinion but that doesn't make it fact.

Had SabAn- not Saben stayed, he would have built a dynasty at MSU, just like he did at LSU and Bama- this again?

Ok- Saban never had a losing season at MSU, brought them up to a winner and had a 10 win season in his last year of the 5 year resurrection plan- he did it

MSU was very happy with the turnaround Saban engineered at MSU- he was right where he said he would be in year 5

Im very certain he would have had as good or better success at MSU had he stayed- hes shown he will go down in history as one of the all time great college coaches

 

Lots of NFL and College guys haven't been able to make what they did in college work in the NFL and Vis Versa- I don't think it matters MUCH different equation

If that does matter then I guess Rileys failure at San Diego counts too.

For the love of god, Saban didn't do sh#t at MSU. You really have to be ignorant to continually spew that sh#t out. His record there proves it.

Hard to have a real conversation with someone who claims to have a factual based opinion on Saban- when the other person doesn't even know how to spell the mans name

You've done it a lot, the guys name is Nick Saban- not Saben

If you read or follow college football to any level at all- you probably would have gotten that right

If mom doesn't have a cable outlet in the basement at least ride your skateboard over to the closest bar and watch a few games this season.

He did spell it correctly, so your argument is invalid.

Great job Mod you are really on top of things

Wrong again- this is what he said in just one post" Dantonio is 75 -31 at MSU with a lot more hardware to show for it. Saben never got them there but a different coach could. I'm guessing Saben is a pretty good coach."

 

You must have missed all the other times he misspelled it before I corrected him- good job by him finally making the switch

If you follow politics at all you know how to spell Barack Obama

If you follow software at all you know how to spell Larry Ellison

If you follow college football at all- you don't spell Saban Saben a bunch of times

If you follow college football you

No need for this post man. Considering most people struggled spelling Bo's last name of Pellllini

 

Well I would have to disagree with that

If someone wants to debate a subject and claims to have a bunch of knowledge about it- one would think they would be able to SPELL the subject being discussed

Goes to credibility

I can see why guys like Harbaugh has a tough time suffering fools like Cowherd who know all the buzz words but not much under the surface

If the guy needs help getting $$ for cable, heck lets do a fundraiser or someone offer to hire him to clean their pool or something like that

 

 

I didn't realize Miles was the HC at Colorado and Michigan.

 

If you want past success. Riley won two grey cups actually as a HC. Bo won an NC as a coordinator. Where did that put him as an HC?

 

Nick Saben was 34-24-1 with his best year being 2nd in the conference and he never won a bowl game at MSU before he went to LSU and won an NC 4 years later.

 

Dantonio is 75 -31 at MSU with a lot more hardware to show for it. Saben never got them there but a different coach could. I'm guessing Saben is a pretty good coach.

 

It is your opinion that a 62 year old coach can't get it done here and you are basing that off of what he did at a school with much less to offer recruits than Nebraska.

 

You're entitled to that opinion but that doesn't make it fact.

Had SabAn- not Saben stayed, he would have built a dynasty at MSU, just like he did at LSU and Bama- this again?

Ok- Saban never had a losing season at MSU, brought them up to a winner and had a 10 win season in his last year of the 5 year resurrection plan- he did it

MSU was very happy with the turnaround Saban engineered at MSU- he was right where he said he would be in year 5

Im very certain he would have had as good or better success at MSU had he stayed- hes shown he will go down in history as one of the all time great college coaches

 

Lots of NFL and College guys haven't been able to make what they did in college work in the NFL and Vis Versa- I don't think it matters MUCH different equation

If that does matter then I guess Rileys failure at San Diego counts too.

 

For the love of god, Saban didn't do sh#t at MSU. You really have to be ignorant to continually spew that sh#t out. His record there proves it.

 

Yes, it does prove he did a great job- significant improvement, never a losing season, 10 wins in the last year of his 5 year plan and doubling his salary to go to LSU- very nice run up to his 4 National Championships

 

Nebraska needs to go back to a pure option offense.

 

 

As I said in the other thread, tough to go back to a "pure option offense" when we were not a pure option offense. I would say we were a power running team with the option mixed in. Did Frazier or Frost ever run a triple option? I know we ran triple in the 80s, but by the mid-90s run I don't remember seeing too much of it. The FB runs seemed to be called plays (see 95 Orange vs Miami).

 

NU in Osbornes day NEVER ran the true triple option, ever

Everything was a double option per TO in his books

He didnt feel he had the practice time to teach a true triple

It may have looked like triple to some- but the play called had just 2 options- sometimes it was optimized for just 1

The ONLY opinion that matters are the 18-22 year old kids playing football and the 17-18 year old impressionable kids making the decision to play

I mean, DPE was playing out of position in HS and I think at a smaller classification or at least in an area that is not totally known for football.

 

Jared is playing WAY out of position and on a decent team. I think I watched them play Boys Town the last two years.

Maryland/Northern Virginia is a grossly under rated area for HS football

They play quality football there and DC has some ballers as well

I talked to 2 of DPEs HS coaches this winter. They knew what they had and weren't surprised at all by what he is doing at NU. DPE only played QB because these guys were really down that year and they needed the ball in his hands every snap. Bos guys found a good one there.

 

I mean, DPE was playing out of position in HS and I think at a smaller classification or at least in an area that is not totally known for football.

 

Jared is playing WAY out of position and on a decent team. I think I watched them play Boys Town the last two years.

They had 5 wins against a very poor schedule last year and the teams that were good torch them! I have seen him play and yes he is playing out of position, but he is in no why the same level as DPE!

 

I One player cant carry an entire team, doesn't matter to me at all he played on a losing team

The previous year they had a nice playoff run IIRC

No he isn't a DPE- but he is a legit 3 star kid with legit size, speed and explosiveness

Much different type of player

We just dont get many like that in our state these days

We need to get in early, stick with them and let them know they are wanted

He would have found a way to get on the field here and contributed at some point

 

 

 

 

I didn't realize Miles was the HC at Colorado and Michigan.

 

If you want past success. Riley won two grey cups actually as a HC. Bo won an NC as a coordinator. Where did that put him as an HC?

 

Nick Saben was 34-24-1 with his best year being 2nd in the conference and he never won a bowl game at MSU before he went to LSU and won an NC 4 years later.

 

Dantonio is 75 -31 at MSU with a lot more hardware to show for it. Saben never got them there but a different coach could. I'm guessing Saben is a pretty good coach.

 

It is your opinion that a 62 year old coach can't get it done here and you are basing that off of what he did at a school with much less to offer recruits than Nebraska.

 

You're entitled to that opinion but that doesn't make it fact.

Had SabAn- not Saben stayed, he would have built a dynasty at MSU, just like he did at LSU and Bama- this again?

Ok- Saban never had a losing season at MSU, brought them up to a winner and had a 10 win season in his last year of the 5 year resurrection plan- he did it

MSU was very happy with the turnaround Saban engineered at MSU- he was right where he said he would be in year 5

Im very certain he would have had as good or better success at MSU had he stayed- hes shown he will go down in history as one of the all time great college coaches

 

Lots of NFL and College guys haven't been able to make what they did in college work in the NFL and Vis Versa- I don't think it matters MUCH different equation

If that does matter then I guess Rileys failure at San Diego counts too.

 

For the love of god, Saban didn't do sh#t at MSU. You really have to be ignorant to continually spew that sh#t out. His record there proves it.

 

Hard to have a real conversation with someone who claims to have a factual based opinion on Saban- when the other person doesn't even know how to spell the mans name

You've done it a lot, the guys name is Nick Saban- not Saben

If you read or follow college football to any level at all- you probably would have gotten that right

If mom doesn't have a cable outlet in the basement at least ride your skateboard over to the closest bar and watch a few games this season.

 

He did spell it correctly, so your argument is invalid.

 

Great job Mod you are really on top of things

Wrong again- this is what he said in just one post" Dantonio is 75 -31 at MSU with a lot more hardware to show for it. Saben never got them there but a different coach could. I'm guessing Saben is a pretty good coach."

You must have missed all the other times he misspelled it before I corrected him- good job by him finally making the switch though

If you follow politics at all you know how to spell Barack Obama

If you follow software at all you know how to spell Larry Ellison

If you follow college football at all- you don't spell Saban Saben a bunch of times

That's why I was offering the advice on him getting on cable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqwAXk8c2Ew

 

 

I didn't realize Miles was the HC at Colorado and Michigan.

 

If you want past success. Riley won two grey cups actually as a HC. Bo won an NC as a coordinator. Where did that put him as an HC?

 

Nick Saben was 34-24-1 with his best year being 2nd in the conference and he never won a bowl game at MSU before he went to LSU and won an NC 4 years later.

 

Dantonio is 75 -31 at MSU with a lot more hardware to show for it. Saben never got them there but a different coach could. I'm guessing Saben is a pretty good coach.

 

It is your opinion that a 62 year old coach can't get it done here and you are basing that off of what he did at a school with much less to offer recruits than Nebraska.

 

You're entitled to that opinion but that doesn't make it fact.

Had SabAn- not Saben stayed, he would have built a dynasty at MSU, just like he did at LSU and Bama- this again?

Ok- Saban never had a losing season at MSU, brought them up to a winner and had a 10 win season in his last year of the 5 year resurrection plan- he did it

MSU was very happy with the turnaround Saban engineered at MSU- he was right where he said he would be in year 5

Im very certain he would have had as good or better success at MSU had he stayed- hes shown he will go down in history as one of the all time great college coaches

 

Lots of NFL and College guys haven't been able to make what they did in college work in the NFL and Vis Versa- I don't think it matters MUCH different equation

If that does matter then I guess Rileys failure at San Diego counts too.

 

For the love of god, Saban didn't do sh#t at MSU. You really have to be ignorant to continually spew that sh#t out. His record there proves it.

 

Hard to have a real conversation with someone who claims to have a factual based opinion on Saban- when the other person doesn't even know how to spell the mans name

You've done it a lot, the guys name is Nick Saban- not Saben

If you read or follow college football to any level at all- you probably would have gotten that right

If mom doesn't have a cable outlet in the basement at least ride your skateboard over to the closest bar and watch a few games this season

https://www.youtube....h?v=CqwAXk8c2Ew

 

 

 

 

So, Erickson did good at some places and not good at others. What that tells me is that success at one place doesn't guarantee success at another. Not winning championships at one place doesn't mean he can't do it at another.

 

This is because every situation is different. Gene Chizik was 5-19 at ISU over two years with his second season being 2-10 with an 0-8 record in the conference. He actually got worse his second year there than his first. He jumps ship to Auburn and two years later he wins an NC.

 

In 4 years at OSU, Les Miles was 28-21 and the best he had done was 3rd in his division. His bowl record was 1-2. He had a .500 record in conference. He jumps ship to LSU and he wins an NC three years later.

 

The fact remains that there is a difference in programs and what can be done at those programs. There is a difference between situations coaches are in at various programs.

 

I will trust the decision making of people who know one hell of a lot more than anyone on an internet message board over if he is the right guy for the job since we have nothing to base anything else on other than speculation.

Im not confident a 62 year old coach who hasnt won anything before in College football- will all of a sudden win something or that someone that hasnt consistently won - will consistently win. Especially when an average by most standards coach came right behind him and was able to do so.

 

You arent looking at the complete resume when it comes to guys like Miles

Great run at Colorado during the MCCarney era

Nice 8 year run at Michigan

OSU was 5–6, 5–6, and 3–8. the 3 seasons before he got there. He upset top 4 OU in year 1, beat a top 3 OU in one of the subsequent years. his only losing season in 4 was year 1

Im guessing if he stayed he would have been consistently successful there- just like he was at the previous stops and LSU- very consistent

 

Look at Sean Es resume when it comes to hiring head football coaches, He is the one making the decsion- what is his track record there? He doesnt really have one

If MR has consistent success, SE is officially the smartest guy in the room- but he doesnt have a track record to go on either

 

Or he could have been like Riley after he went 10-4, 9-4, 9-4, 8-5 and started falling off. If Riley bolted for Bama instead of staying at Oregon St, you could possibly be saying the same thing about him that you are saying about Les right now. And saying someone was a successful assistant coach doesn't necessarily translate to him being a successful head coach.

 

Will give you the assistant thing- even though No one is willing to admit an average coach did a better job at OSU than Riley even though its there in black and white, an inconvenient truth

Not all good assistants make good CEOs- but it doesnt hurt if the team you coached was successful or you had a chance to work for a very good Head Coach

 

There is no guarantee MIke Riley would have been Bamas savior right?

Bama wiffed on what 3 coaches before they finally hired Saban and he engineered the turnaround and dynasty that "hot" coaches like Shula, Franchione and Dubose couldnt do

Would Mike Riley been one of the 3 or 4 corpses or not? We will never know- his NU tenure might give us a bit of a clue

 

There is no guarantee that Saban would have built a dynasty at MSU, is there?

 

Well Riley hasn't ever won anything, won consistently or built a dynasty anywhere

Saban has engineered 3 turnarounds, 3 consistent winners, 2 of those programs winning National Championships

So yeah kind of a track record with one guy Saban, not so much with the other

I don't think anyone would be betting their life savings that Saban wouldn't have taken that program to the top had he decided to stay past the last year of his 5 year plan 10 win season.

TO's offense was morphing to Spread Option with a more QB centric running game before he retired- lots more 1 back sets

I think I remember reading somewhere that he said he would be a spread option team if he were coaching today

That is a bit different than the 100s of ways Johnson runs his option and orbit sweep game he runs at GT

They aren't just a triple option team, they run midline and you even see some veer concepts at times, the guy is a genius

While Tenopir was running zone schemes in his latter years- some of the better O-linemen are going to look at an option offense as something they probably want to stay away from if they want to play in the NFL

That may be an offense that can get you to 8-3 or maybe even 9-2 with a class ranked a lot lower than other teams in the top 15, but you may not get the kids you need to be a top 5, top 10 team.

When you are one of many trying to get the very same type of player to come to your University and are just above average with blah uniforms, good academic support and not much scenery- that isn't a great value proposition for most HS kids. So there definitely is value in considering being different.

While defending spread teams was something that was different and kind of a hassle to do 15 years ago, much easier today, because we all see so much of it. Everyone runs smash, everyone runs 4 verts, everyone runs shallow, everyone runs bubble, everyone runs mesh the Mike Leachs of the world are having a much tougher time dinking and dunking people to death. Yes he is an air raid guy and I know that is a Hal Mumme spread subset that isn't used by many- but many teams including NU have taken those concepts and added them to their offenses.

The approach of being different certainly makes sense to look at

Understand true option teams at the High SChool level has dropped off dramatically. If you go to places like Florida, Georgia, Texas most of what you see is Spread to Pass teams.

Pro style throwing QBs aren't being overlooked at all

Tough decision

^{Christian has produced some kids who have played in the past for NU, Farup does a real nice job}

^{In 2013, they were a pretty good playoff team- went deep IIRC}

^{You are going to see several kids from Ashland- CI probably playing for NU in the next several years}

^{He was a very good player}

^{There aren't a lot of kids like that in our backyard- real DI kids with the legit size , explosiveness and speed}

^{Ive seen him play in person- he would have been able to see the field somewhere for DONU}

^{If we lose both Jared and the kid from Omaha South- that isn't positive}

^{Losing 1 I get, not both}

Adidas owns soccer though.

R Madrid, Bayern Munich, CHelsea, Manchester United, Lionel Messi, Gareth Bale, FIFA, UEFA...

Who cares if they own soccer, water polo, titleywinks or kayaking?

The NU kids playing football probably dont know or care who Bayern Munchen is

When they were kids and had to choose between being a foot fairy and playing football- they did the right thing and decided to play football

Even at the High SChool level

I have friends that have gone to the modern unique style sublimated uniforms and then decaled their helmets up with something big, bold and different

In pretty much every case, when they promoted it and made a big deal out of it, their numbers often times improved significantly

Sounds silly, but it's true.

It shouldn't be like that, but it is

Now its custom gloves, spats and even socks

That's the way it is in 2015

If people think apparel doesn't matter in todays marketplace for players, they are kidding themselves

NUs Adidas alternate Unis have been an embarrassment

DB was talking about it yesterday, it matters to the kids he is coaching and the kids he sees

I see the very same thing

It shouldn't be important, but it is to many of todays players

In todays TV, video and internet world, the brands created includes apparel

Adidas isn't cool to these kids and their designs and brand is uninspiring to them

Nike and UA are where it is at

 

 

I didn't realize Miles was the HC at Colorado and Michigan.

 

If you want past success. Riley won two grey cups actually as a HC. Bo won an NC as a coordinator. Where did that put him as an HC?

 

Nick Saben was 34-24-1 with his best year being 2nd in the conference and he never won a bowl game at MSU before he went to LSU and won an NC 4 years later.

 

Dantonio is 75 -31 at MSU with a lot more hardware to show for it. Saben never got them there but a different coach could. I'm guessing Saben is a pretty good coach.

 

It is your opinion that a 62 year old coach can't get it done here and you are basing that off of what he did at a school with much less to offer recruits than Nebraska.

 

You're entitled to that opinion but that doesn't make it fact.

Had SabAn- not Saben stayed, he would have built a dynasty at MSU, just like he did at LSU and Bama- this again?

Ok- Saban never had a losing season at MSU, brought them up to a winner and had a 10 win season in his last year of the 5 year resurrection plan- he did it

MSU was very happy with the turnaround Saban engineered at MSU- he was right where he said he would be in year 5

Im very certain he would have had as good or better success at MSU had he stayed- hes shown he will go down in history as one of the all time great college coaches

 

Lots of NFL and College guys haven't been able to make what they did in college work in the NFL and Vis Versa- I don't think it matters MUCH different equation

If that does matter then I guess Rileys failure at San Diego counts too.

 

 

You're sure certain of a lot of unknown things, but only when they support your pre-established bias. Weird....or not.

 

Yeah Im sure none of the great football minds of the world would think Nick Saban would have continued his upward and consistent path of success at MSU

Hes only in the top 10 all time of College Coaches- that's crazy talk, no way he does that, longshot at best

Heck, he couldn't carry Mark Dantonios jock strap Im guessing they would be saying

He got lucky at MSU, LSU and Bama- flash in the pan

No way he does an Urban Meyer and crushes it at every stop

JMFB, offer still on the table to fix that keyboard.

Still obsessed with me and my posts. keep reading you will learn

Hey like I said before Im married with kids- Im not interested in anything on the side- especially by a male, not that theres anything wrong with that or your lifestyle in the eyes of many

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj3VphK9AMk

 

 

So, Erickson did good at some places and not good at others. What that tells me is that success at one place doesn't guarantee success at another. Not winning championships at one place doesn't mean he can't do it at another.

 

This is because every situation is different. Gene Chizik was 5-19 at ISU over two years with his second season being 2-10 with an 0-8 record in the conference. He actually got worse his second year there than his first. He jumps ship to Auburn and two years later he wins an NC.

 

In 4 years at OSU, Les Miles was 28-21 and the best he had done was 3rd in his division. His bowl record was 1-2. He had a .500 record in conference. He jumps ship to LSU and he wins an NC three years later.

 

The fact remains that there is a difference in programs and what can be done at those programs. There is a difference between situations coaches are in at various programs.

 

I will trust the decision making of people who know one hell of a lot more than anyone on an internet message board over if he is the right guy for the job since we have nothing to base anything else on other than speculation.

Im not confident a 62 year old coach who hasnt won anything before in College football- will all of a sudden win something or that someone that hasnt consistently won - will consistently win. Especially when an average by most standards coach came right behind him and was able to do so.

 

You arent looking at the complete resume when it comes to guys like Miles

Great run at Colorado during the MCCarney era

Nice 8 year run at Michigan

OSU was 5–6, 5–6, and 3–8. the 3 seasons before he got there. He upset top 4 OU in year 1, beat a top 3 OU in one of the subsequent years. his only losing season in 4 was year 1

Im guessing if he stayed he would have been consistently successful there- just like he was at the previous stops and LSU- very consistent

 

Look at Sean Es resume when it comes to hiring head football coaches, He is the one making the decsion- what is his track record there? He doesnt really have one

If MR has consistent success, SE is officially the smartest guy in the room- but he doesnt have a track record to go on either

 

Or he could have been like Riley after he went 10-4, 9-4, 9-4, 8-5 and started falling off. If Riley bolted for Bama instead of staying at Oregon St, you could possibly be saying the same thing about him that you are saying about Les right now. And saying someone was a successful assistant coach doesn't necessarily translate to him being a successful head coach.

 

Will give you the assistant thing- even though No one is willing to admit an average coach did a better job at OSU than Riley even though its there in black and white, an inconvenient truth

Not all good assistants make good CEOs- but it doesnt hurt if the team you coached was successful or you had a chance to work for a very good Head Coach

There is no guarantee MIke Riley would have been Bamas savior right?

Bama wiffed on what 3 coaches before they finally hired Saban and he engineered the turnaround and dynasty that "hot" coaches like Shula, Franchione and Dubose couldnt do

Would Mike Riley been one of the 3 or 4 corpses or not? We will never know- his NU tenure might give us a bit of a clue

I didn't realize Miles was the HC at Colorado and Michigan.

 

If you want past success. Riley won two grey cups actually as a HC. Bo won an NC as a coordinator. Where did that put him as an HC?

 

Nick Saben was 34-24-1 with his best year being 2nd in the conference and he never won a bowl game at MSU before he went to LSU and won an NC 4 years later.

 

Dantonio is 75 -31 at MSU with a lot more hardware to show for it. Saben never got them there but a different coach could. I'm guessing Saben is a pretty good coach.

 

It is your opinion that a 62 year old coach can't get it done here and you are basing that off of what he did at a school with much less to offer recruits than Nebraska.

 

You're entitled to that opinion but that doesn't make it fact.

Had SabAn- not Saben stayed, he would have built a dynasty at MSU, just like he did at LSU and Bama- this again?

Ok- Saban never had a losing season at MSU, brought them up to a winner and had a 10 win season in his last year of the 5 year resurrection plan- he did it

MSU was very happy with the turnaround Saban engineered at MSU- he was right where he said he would be in year 5

Im very certain he would have had as good or better success at MSU had he stayed- hes shown he will go down in history as one of the all time great college coaches

Lots of NFL and College guys haven't been able to make what they did in college work in the NFL and Vis Versa- I don't think it matters MUCH different equation

If that does matter then I guess Rileys failure at San Diego counts too.

 

 

 

I think if you look back, DB also said not that long ago that Fant will end up at Nebraska and you can book it... Now I realize that things change over time, but he did say that I believe.

I listen to the show a lot. Never heard him say that about Fant. He knows the kid and family pretty well. Has mentioned many times he just gets the feeling he won't end up at Nebraska.

In the last 2 days DB said he doesn't know, but that Fant may be undervalued by Nebraska

He said Fant isn't the kind of kid that grew up with dad taking him to NU games, not a dyed in the wool NU kid

He said Fant is a bit overwhelmed and surprised with the attention

Hope he is N- but those close to the situation don't seem very confident about it

When it comes to Fant- the only person I would be listening to is Fant or DB- anything else is just a guess

But I've recently decided to get all my Husker info from you. Now I'm confused.

 

Nah

You should continue to get it from the pooled ignorance from a couple of foam fingered fans living in moms basement, who played one season of Pop Warner football, get most of their football knowledge tips their younger sisters and an overdue library book called "Football For Dummys" and whose entire Husker experience comes from going to one free admission spring game in 2010 and some youtube clips.

So, Erickson did good at some places and not good at others. What that tells me is that success at one place doesn't guarantee success at another. Not winning championships at one place doesn't mean he can't do it at another.

 

This is because every situation is different. Gene Chizik was 5-19 at ISU over two years with his second season being 2-10 with an 0-8 record in the conference. He actually got worse his second year there than his first. He jumps ship to Auburn and two years later he wins an NC.

 

In 4 years at OSU, Les Miles was 28-21 and the best he had done was 3rd in his division. His bowl record was 1-2. He had a .500 record in conference. He jumps ship to LSU and he wins an NC three years later.

 

The fact remains that there is a difference in programs and what can be done at those programs. There is a difference between situations coaches are in at various programs.

 

I will trust the decision making of people who know one hell of a lot more than anyone on an internet message board over if he is the right guy for the job since we have nothing to base anything else on other than speculation.

Im not confident a 62 year old coach who hasnt won anything before in College football- will all of a sudden win something or that someone that hasnt consistently won - will consistently win. Especially when an average by most standards coach came right behind him and was able to do so.

You arent looking at the complete resume when it comes to guys like Miles

Great run at Colorado during the MCCarney era

Nice 8 year run at Michigan

OSU was 5–6, 5–6, and 3–8. the 3 seasons before he got there. He upset top 4 OU in year 1, beat a top 3 OU in one of the subsequent years. his only losing season in 4 was year 1

Im guessing if he stayed he would have been consistently successful there- just like he was at the previous stops and LSU- very consistent

Cant blame someone for doubling their income by leaving

Look at Sean Es resume when it comes to hiring head football coaches, He is the one making the decsion- what is his track record there? He doesnt really have one

If MR has consistent success, SE is officially the smartest guy in the room- but he doesnt have a track record to go on either

 

 

Dennis Erickson was a bit of a nightmare during his run with the San Francisco 49ers, having inherited a decent roster from a better coach, then two seasons later driving them into the ground with an unimaginably bad 2 - 14 season.

 

Before that he had taken a talented Seattle Seahawks squad and and slowly turned them into under-performers.

Im not so sure the NFL game translates that well to College coaching

If it does, then a really average or below coach (maybe he was) was able to do quite a bit better than Mike Riley at Oregon State

 

 

I'm not sure, either.

 

Which is why I turn to people who have extensive experience in both professional and college football and take note of their consistent and often strong endorsement of Mike Riley's coaching abilities.

 

Endorsements that were not necessarily extended to Dennis Erickson's long, erratic decline in the coaching ranks.

 

You missed the entire point which was slowly and carefully explained

No one said DE was right for NU or should be hired here

I dont think we should be hiring anyone in their 60s or a guy like DE right now

The point was MANY people point to MIke Rileys "success" at OSU as something to hang his hat on

Once more- their mantra is "OSU is a terrible place to coach at, only a great coach could have any success at all there" Not sure I agree with it- the 6 losing seasons and conference losing record- but some believe that

My counter point was Dennis Erickson did much better than Mike Riley there and no one is proclaiming DE to be a great coach- yet he did much better than MR in same location in same era

Im not sure the claim that Mike Rileys tenure at OSU was great- because another "average" coach did much better in same era

The worse Erickson looks- the worse Riley looks- being outperformed by a schlep at the same school- same era

Friends and acquaintances are always going to endorse and well wish the nice guy. Im not sure it means a lot other than hes a friendly great PR nice guy, which is a good thing

Dennis Erickson was a bit of a nightmare during his run with the San Francisco 49ers, having inherited a decent roster from a better coach, then two seasons later driving them into the ground with an unimaginably bad 2 - 14 season.

 

Before that he had taken a talented Seattle Seahawks squad and and slowly turned them into under-performers.

Im not so sure the NFL game translates that well to College coaching

If it does, then a really average or below coach (maybe he was) was able to do quite a bit better than Mike Riley at Oregon State

Thanks- good info