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Lots of great coaches won at every college stop
Bear Bryant
Urban Meyer
Nick Saban
Lou Holtz
Whoa. You just listed some of the Greatest Coaches of all time. This is hardly the "norm". These guys are legends or will be legends by the time their career is over.
I don't think anybody has even remotely said Mike Riley is Bear Bryant, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban or the other dummy you listed.
Riley- jury is out
Well....kinda. The jury is out on his time here at Nebraska. The jury isn't out on his previous career though. Don't forget, he did have some very successful years at Oregon St. too. He also won quite a number of games that realistically, they shouldn't have won. He overcame quite a bit there. He was hired as a HC in the NFL, and in the CFL. His reputation amongst coaches is impecable. For all the talk you do about the in's and out's of this game, you'd think you would show a bit more respect for the guy. There's a lot of people a hell of a lot smarter than you or I who thinks Mike Riley is an excellent person, coach, evaluator and developer.
Past results DO matter
The best are going to win at every stop, no excuses
Past results do not matter now. In no way will Riley's record at Oregon St. affect the record at Nebraska. If you wanted to apply his record there to his record here, then don't forget to include those good seasons and the upsets over some highly ranked teams too. You guys aren't just gonna sit here and apply all the bad and none of the good. That's being unfair and ignorant. Like I said though, none of it really applies at all.
NU deserves a top 10-15 coach, Riley isn't a top 10-15 coach
Its great that he is a nice guy everyone likes, at the end of the day what matters is wins
I remember a guy I used to coach against. Great guy, very likeable. He had a few seasons where they won, but mostly they lost or were middle of the road. NO ONE in the conference wanted the guy to retire- because we could usually beat him. We talked him up to anyone that would listen
He hasn't consistently won. He had a pretty poor record his last 4-5 years at OSU and I guess since you think NFL experience matters- failed there as well.
To say OSU is impossible to win at- ignores the fact that Dennis Erickson slipped right in and won consistently and won big there right in the middle of the Mike Riley era and I wouldn't consider DE to be an elite coach. DE did much better at OSU than Riley did.
Past experience is usually a good predictor of future results
When one hires a coach or an employee for that matter- we look at past results
Why? Because they are usually a pretty good predictor of future results
As a Business owner who has hired over 300 people, I only hired those with a track record that put them in the top 85-90% in their fields. We had the reputation that allowed us not to have to take "flyers" on unproven or up and down performers. Lowering risk of the hiring failure is why people hire consistent top performers.
Yes, kudos to Riley for pulling some upsets
But his teams were all over the place W/L wise and lost to teams like Sacramento State and Eastern Washington as well, Reminding me of some of those really talented Missouri teams of the 70s- 80s who would be world beaters one week and lose to a really bad team the next week.
Can Riley be consistently successful here? CONSISTENT success is how success is measured here, not great one week and awful the next.
The great ones show consistent progress and at the end of the day- consistently win once they get everything they want in place
Maybe he can be that guy
He hasn't shown he can at his other College Football coaching gigs
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So Nick Saban won at every stop? You must have forgot his stops at MSU and the Dolphins. And don't use that bullsh#t of " Well he went 9-2 his final year at MSU"
The NFL is a totally different animal= if you want to add the NFL then you have to look at Rileys failure at SD then as well
Facts are easily obtained, but questions of Riley's fit as HC at Nebraska are hypothetical no matter how you slice it.I'm not really a hypothetical person......but facts are easily findable. Riley's resume is absolutely questionable at best for a job like Nebraska.
And while previous W/L records are simple and straight-forward, they don't appear to be a good predictor. Hoke had a good record before going to Michigan. RichRod looked good before going to Ann Arbor. And looked bad before getting to Tucson but is doing very well for the Wildcats. Pete Carroll wasn't good for the Patriots but has been exceptional at USC and Seattle. I thought Saban would have done a lot better in the NFL.
There are also lots of W/L records that translated into success as well. Urban at Florida and again at tOSU is probably the best example.
My point is that Riley's W/L record at Oregon St. doesn't mean much to how he'll perform at NU. You can keep presenting it as a fact, but it's not convincing evidence in the discussion of how Riley will perform at NU.
College football is a much different equation
Rich Rod was sabotaged at Michigan- he would have been successful there had they left him alone
Great book there about it, 3 and out. Friends at Michigan verified, very accurate
Lots of great coaches won at every college stop
Bear Bryant
Urban Meyer
Nick Saban
Lou Holtz
Riley- jury is out
Rich Rod is a College great coach and will have a great career
Past results DO matter
Consistent Results either verify what you are doing makes sense, or they dont
The best are going to win at every stop, no excuses
Lou Holtz was fired at from the Patriots after about a 2-12 season. His record at South Carolina though winning, wasn't anything super special.
I will give you the Bear and Urban. There are instances of coaches having success at one place and not another also. Pete Carrol, rich rod as you say, Jackie Sherril, Howard Snellenberger, Bill Belichek, the big tuna, Jimmmy Johnson, heck even Vince lumbardi didn't win everywhere these are just ones off the top of my head.
Again- the NFL is NOT college football
Totally different equation
NO one I know of considers Jackie Sherril or Howard S- elite coaches. Howard failed at his 2 stops after Miami
Neither will be in the Hall of Fame and Jackie failed at his last stop
Vince L- by the way wrong about him, he did win everywhere he coached. Had he lived we would have had the Redskins in the Super Bowl by year 3
Jimmy Johnson, you are wrong about him as well. He also won at every spot- turned around really bad Dallas and OSU programs- won Nat Championships and Super Bowls. Great College coach.
Holtz took bottom feeders and turned the programs around. By the time he left, they were winning
Look at the scores
At W&M one season they were about 14 points from being a 1 loss or undefeated team, significant progress. won a conference championship
Turned around NC State into consistent winner, conference champions
Great success at ND and Arkansas
Turned around really bad Minny and SC programs
Winners win
Saban did a great job at MSU- no football person would say different
He WON at MSU, left them a winner then won at places lots of guys had failed LSU and Bama
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I'm not really a hypothetical person......but facts are easily findable. Riley's resume is absolutely questionable at best for a job like Nebraska.
Facts are easily obtained, but questions of Riley's fit as HC at Nebraska are hypothetical no matter how you slice it.
And while previous W/L records are simple and straight-forward, they don't appear to be a good predictor. Hoke had a good record before going to Michigan. RichRod looked good before going to Ann Arbor. And looked bad before getting to Tucson but is doing very well for the Wildcats. Pete Carroll wasn't good for the Patriots but has been exceptional at USC and Seattle. I thought Saban would have done a lot better in the NFL.
There are also lots of W/L records that translated into success as well. Urban at Florida and again at tOSU is probably the best example.
My point is that Riley's W/L record at Oregon St. doesn't mean much to how he'll perform at NU. You can keep presenting it as a fact, but it's not convincing evidence in the discussion of how Riley will perform at NU.
The NFL is a totally different animal= if you want to add the NFL then you have to look at Rileys failure at SD then as well
College football is a much different equation
Rich Rod was sabotaged at Michigan- he would have been successful there had they left him alone
Great book there about it, 3 and out. Friends at Michigan verified, very accurate
Lots of great coaches won at every college stop
Bear Bryant
Urban Meyer
Nick Saban
Lou Holtz
Riley- jury is out
Rich Rod is a College great coach and will have a great career
Past results DO matter
Consistent Results either verify what you are doing makes sense, or they dont
The best are going to win at every stop, no excuses
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I wonder what Bo Pelini's record would be if he was coaching at Oregon St. the last five seasons, instead of at Nebraska.
So, speaking of taking care of details and winning, Riley's record the past 5 seasons was 29-33.Wins take care of themselves if you're taking care of the details. Bo alway's preached about the little things, and I think it became very evident that behind the scenes, there were a lot of little things that were not being taken care of.
Stanford
USC
Oregon
Washington
UCLA
Arizona St.
There's six probable losses a year for Bo Pelini.
Then throw in your unreasonable loss to a team that shouldn't be able to compete with you, like WSU, Cal, Utah or Arizona. In all reality, Bo probably loses 2 of those games because Cal, WSU, Utah, and Arizona are a lot more comparable to Oregon St. than Northwestern, Iowa, or Minnesota is to Nebraska.
Imagine the whining about all the DISADVANTAGES he has to face at Oregon St. Holy crap, and this is a guy who thought he had it rough here.
Sorry TheSker, it probably seems unreasonable to assume how Bo Pelini would do at a school he's never even coached a game at, huh?
I like your post, but . . .
Sac St ! You forgot Sac St !
And shouldn't it be Mr. MR??
Forgot Eastern Washington as well- Or Eastern Washington State Tech- whatever they call themselves that OSU also lost to
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Many High School kids look to the entire experience when looking for options
All kids are different
I wouldnt want to go to college in the same town as I grew up in
Spread your wings, go to another area of the country and grow up some
I went over 1000 miles away to school, one of best decisions I made
Best of luck to him
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Wins take care of themselves if you're taking care of the details. Bo alway's preached about the little things, and I think it became very evident that behind the scenes, there were a lot of little things that were not being taken care of.
So, speaking of taking care of details and winning, Riley's record the past 5 seasons was 29-33.
Those are the facts
Hope for the best, support the team, but be realistic/sceptical
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I said here several times that he had accuracy issues, which are the most difficult to fix
Did you know he was a bust from the beginning or whatFor those who thought Stanton was the man, was in the mix, was going to play
You were wrong
Very evident by his lack of mention this spring and his poor play in spring game
Lack of accuracy is not easy to fix
I also said since he didn't get in at the Spring game until very late and when he did he looked bad meant he wouldn't be playing QB here at NU
Several disagreed with that and said all it was going to take was some QB whispering- that his Elite 11 pedigree proved he deserved a shot etc
I countered that Harrison Becks QB camp ratings didn't mean much either and that JS wouldn't be taking any QB snaps at NU
Long term- Riley will not value or chase down QBs who run well and don't have consistently accurate arms
From what I saw he was definitely behind TA, Darlington and Broekemeier. Broekemeier is a much better QB than most are giving credit, he's no Matt Turman, kid can play.
Im not impressed with Bush (his tilt on the ball is awkward) or Fyfe, but even at that, being 4th best and not making the 105- he was done a long time ago.
Oh so you thought he was a bust in April when four other QBs played in front of him. Wow how observant you are. There's no way you thought he was going to be a bust when he was first recruited.
He was a bust when he wasn't even close to catching Fyfe for #2 last year
When Riley was named coach and I knew the offense he wanted to run- Stanton wasn't a fit, so last year it was a forgone conclusion
He wasn't going to be a "bust" if the type of O we were running favored an athlete playing QB like TM or Stanton. But he couldn't even elevate on the charts for that- let along a Pro Style O.
BTW LOTS of guys were still on the Stanton bandwagon- just a couple of weeks ago right here on this forum- "he is an elite 11 guy, all he needs is some more good QB coaching- the QB whisperer can make him into something". I said it was never going to happen, people disagreed
Those people were wrong
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Stanton was told he wouldn't be on the Fall 105, but would have been able to join after school started and keep his scholarship. How does this work?
I guess the 105 is a fall camp limit and which players make the cut is a total coaches decision, but Stanton could have eventually stayed on the roster anyway by not pursuing a transfer?
105 is just the limit- based on who they think can help them the most- get the most out of the earlier start
Been done before- there was a JC QB in the Callahan era they wiffed on- moved him to safety
He was on the team- just to complete his education
A deal is a deal at NU anyways
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I spoke to a buddy of mine from Florida called me the day Bo was fired
He asked me what I thought
I said, Bo did a nice job of getting us back to 9 wins after BC was fired, passionate guy
However I felt he had topped out as a HC/CEO and the atmosphere he created just wasnt healthy in the long run
I told him I didnt like the rants, he didnt rep the University well, he got outcoached some, but that a lot of the kids loved him and I know he had some good personal qualities as well
Then I said my personal opinion would be based on how he left it. If he was positive, thankful, gracious and professional- then more power to him. But it didnt end that way, he revealed once again his true nature.
I dont wish anything bad on the guy, but glad he is gone.
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Not a fan of him taking himself out of the game so many times- limping off for a play or 2, then right back in
That happened a bunch
Same for him slamming the turf with what looked like some big injury- which wasnt
I said it early last year- very immature player- never a big fan
My buddies that are NFL fans who asked about him- I said, you dont want him, something not all there
Reminded me of 10 year old kids faking injuries to get their "nfl moment" everyone paying attention to them during the game stoppage- then right back in
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Super laid back guy
Im sure it was quite a change from BP days
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Saddleback is Coached by Mark McIlroy
Mark is an excellent coach and a friend
He is who I learned how to coach the Fly Sweep from.
They are spread- throw and run and have a very good track record of sending kids to DI
That offense may be a fit for JS
Mark knows how to utilize various strengths and isnt afraid to run the ball a bunch and PA when he doesnt have a consistently accurate thrower
They will run the inverted veer off of Fly and even QB traps and powers with kids like JS
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Did you know he was a bust from the beginning or whatFor those who thought Stanton was the man, was in the mix, was going to play
You were wrong
Very evident by his lack of mention this spring and his poor play in spring game
Lack of accuracy is not easy to fix
I said here several times that he had accuracy issues, which are the most difficult to fix
I also said since he didn't get in at the Spring game until very late and when he did he looked bad meant he wouldn't be playing QB here at NU
Several disagreed with that and said all it was going to take was some QB whispering- that his Elite 11 pedigree proved he deserved a shot etc
I countered that Harrison Becks QB camp ratings didn't mean much either and that JS wouldn't be taking any QB snaps at NU
Long term- Riley will not value or chase down QBs who run well and don't have consistently accurate arms
From what I saw he was definitely behind TA, Darlington and Broekemeier. Broekemeier is a much better QB than most are giving credit, he's no Matt Turman, kid can play.
Im not impressed with Bush (his tilt on the ball is awkward) or Fyfe, but even at that, being 4th best and not making the 105- he was done a long time ago.
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For those who thought Stanton was the man, was in the mix, was going to play
You were wrong
Very evident by his lack of mention this spring and his poor play in spring game
Lack of accuracy is not easy to fix
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For all of you who thought Stanton was the guy, was in the mix, was one of the top guys, could start
You were wrong
As he showed in Spring practice and the Spring game
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If anyone is upset when a coach hires coaches he has coached with before or knows from previous jobs, then you might as well be prepared to be pissed off every single time a coach is hired. That is how the industry works. Coaches know coaches in the industry and get a group they are comfortable with and trust.
This "buddy hire" crap is just getting old and worn out.
This staff is so much more qualified NOW than the last staff was when they were FIRED it's not even comparable.
Its not hiring your buddies, as much as bringing yourself to fire your buddies if they can not do their jobs. Tom did it, Frank did it, Billy did not and Bo did not (he did fire some, but not for on the field results) Loyalty is one thing, stubbornness is another.
LOL....Frank got crucified by fans for "firing his buddies".
That isnt how I remembered it
It was time for a change and there was some improvement thanks to it
Also not every 50 year old+ guy is interested in chasing down impressionable 18 year old kids every night on the telephone
Recruiting was becoming a real chore for many of those guys
I remember several of them talking about their "used car salesmanship" course they had to take in order to become better recruiters. They hated the course, the fact they had to call kids at hme interrupting their dinner, they hated recruiting.
Do guys hire who they know and trust?
Yes, most do
Was the NU staff under BP young and inexperienced?
Yes
But there was a lot of years in the Callahan staff- mostly guys he knew and trusted
That didnt work out so well
Years of experience are good- but it guarantees little with the exception of more mature and effective PR/Media relations at least with this staff IMO
They havent really won anything or been consistent
Im hopeful but skeptical
I see in our DC the very same results and relationship Callahan had with Cosgrove
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Oh come on guys, we deserve to be there, just read the posts from 5 years ago about how we would totally own the Big Ten
6 months ago about how great our head coach was, and only the OC and DC needed to go.
How Nebraska, Oregon and Alabama were the only 9 win teams ever year for yada yada.
Heck last year when Bozo had a few wins, most on this board were figuring how we would make the playoffs after a loss!
We can not see the forest for the trees most of the time.
We love our team, that is our job, but when you talk to people outside of the state of Nebraska, most think we are terribly over the top, considering we have not won a single thing since 1999. Let that sink in.
But things are going to get better!!!!
I disagree
There are a few foam finger fans who don't get it
Supporting the team, that's great. But not being realistic about where we really are isn't healthy for the program.
They are in the minority
More here on this Board than in the general population
Most fans get it, are supportive of the team and program, but not predicting or talking about/ legitimately expecting 0-1-2 loss seasons every year. Especially not this year
Most fans are hopeful but also realistic and skeptical
Personally- I saw bad football being played from the start and had no thought or interest in NU making the playoff. NU was not in the same plain as the teams in the Final 4- there was zero chance that was a reality in 2014
Step 1 is learning how to not beat ourselves. Dominate the lesser teams. Lets do that this season, not get beat by the likes of Minnesota for the THIRD year in a row or an Iowa, play more fundamentally sound, mentally strong, be in the top 30 in turnover margin, play more competitively and build from there.
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Not a particular play, but an interview with Milt Tenopir. Husker O-line coach of 30 years under Osborne. Especially known for his 90s Pipeline dynasty of offensive linemen. Tenopir is credited with inventing the counter trap play that NU ran to perfection. LINK
Lots of NU fans think todays NU blocks so much differently than in days past
That zone is some new fangled passive way of blocking
Tenopir ran both Inside and outside zone- and a lot of it
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I feel like recruits on twitter are all dinguses with their top tens their goofy symbols and their fake blessedness to have received X amount of offers (who has a bigger dick)
Some are probably phonys
However- most people have NO CLUE at all how much effort, consistency and sacrifice is required to perform at that level
Most people have no clue how rare a legit DI player is in the whole sea of kids who have played football from a young age- High School
A lot of those kids are legit, thankful for each offer
I have no problem with them showing their appreciation and if they are legit, thankful- being blessed etc
Them getting a little juice- who cares, they earned it
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I traveled to CR and QC at least 2 times a month for 15+ years
Definitely deep jealousy there as well. maybe not quite the "hatred" as Western Iowa
DIfferent types of jealousy IMO
In Texas- where I spent a huge amount of time for 7-8 years and 2-3 times a year now- they dislike NU because we won National Titles without cheating- no population base, not huge amount of $$ compared to them. They would bring up a lot of silly stuff to bring NU down- Cheapen the National Titles- mostly made up stuff. They have an embarrassment of riches down there with very little to show for it in last 40+ years. I guess I would be embarrassed too if I was them.
Iowans have a much different deal going on.
Making fun of how serious NU takes its football
Revelling in any slip up an NU team makes
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Iowa City is a beautiful place in the fall- along the river with rolling hills and leaves changing
Airliner has good pizza, Amanas have great food. Good 4 hour road trip from Omaha. Well worth the trip
But Iowa fans are unusual
Hatred for NU even back in the 80s and 90s when we really didnt play much- didnt get that at all
Must be a jealousy thing
Not very "football smart" fans
Got really tired about "how bout them hawks" talk- from uninformed fans when I used to spend a lot of time in CR- QC- DM
Did like their homer radio personalities - Jim Zwabel and Ed Podolak though
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Capacity is just over 70k...
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True
But we held them to 50 rushing
While it was just a 14 point win- I felt like we dominated the game
Very satisfying win- great day of football- then off for some great Seafood
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NU was up 21-0 and had right at 400 yards rushing- never felt the game was in doubt
Held Washington to less than 50 yards rushing
Watch the play here at about .30- one of TOs gems
LOTS of leg room- background is Lake Washington and was in the shade under the overhang- GREAT place to watch a game
Fake FB trap- Buck Follow to the QB- NO ONE runs anything like that:
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When Saban took over MSU they were 0-11
They had winning record in his year 1 there
He was 34-24 there- never had a losing season. Last season 10-2
So yes he did win at MSU and as soon as he left they went back to losing again
Pretty good coach
For the 10th time NFL has no bearing on the college game- doesn't matter. If it does then Rileys big failure at SD counts too. I don't think it does