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Be they theist, atheist or anti-theist, on this nearly all scientists agree: In the beginning there was nothing. There was no time, space or matter. There wasn’t even emptiness, only nothingness. Well, nothing natural anyway.
Then: bang! Everything. Nonexistence became existence. Nothing became, in less than an instant, our inconceivably vast and finely tuned universe governed by what mankind would later call – after we, too, popped into existence from nowhere, fully armed with conscious awareness and the ability to think, communicate and observe – “natural law” or “physics.”
Time, space, earth, life and, finally, human life were not.
And then they were.
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Christian author Eric Metaxas notes, “The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared with the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all. For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces – gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the ‘strong’ and ‘weak’ nuclear forces – were determined less than one-millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction – by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000 – then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp. … It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really?”And so, they have “reasoned” themselves into a corner. These same materialists acknowledge that, prior to the moment of singularity – the Big Bang – there was no “natural.” They admit that there was an unnatural time and place before natural time and space – that something, sometime, somewhere preceded the material universe. That which preceded the natural was, necessarily, “beyond the natural” and, therefore, was, is and forever shall be “supernatural.”
Reader, meet God.
In short: the Big Bang blows atheism sky high.
A good quote from your link:
Albert Einstein, who is often dishonestly characterized as having been an atheist, agreed that God-denial is foolishness. He once said of non-believers: “The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who – in their grudge against traditional religion as the ‘opium of the masses’ – cannot hear the music of the spheres.”
“I’m not an atheist,” added Einstein. “The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.”
Illustrious NASA scientist (and agnostic) Dr. Robert Jastrow (1925-2008) put it this way: “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. -Albert Einstein
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm
The bold (Spinoza's God) reminds me of this scripture as Paul notes as one of the ways God reveals Himself - in his creation which happens to be the subject of this thread to come back full circle:
From Romans chapter 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g]in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
Perhaps related as well, I think some people want a restraining order on God and all things religious.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/man-seeks-restraining-order-against-god/
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Why the hell wouldnt we offer his brother? He happens to be 7'1 and 275lbs
Because who needs a seven-footer who averages 9 points, 11 rebounds and nearly 4 blocks per game?
Every team in america
Then why aren't teams lining up to get him?
Because other teams actually already have players taller than 6-8 on their roster?
So then its not every team in America.
Well, I wasn't the one that claimed that so....
Nobody said you did...so...
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Why the hell wouldnt we offer his brother? He happens to be 7'1 and 275lbs
Because who needs a seven-footer who averages 9 points, 11 rebounds and nearly 4 blocks per game?
Every team in america
Then why aren't teams lining up to get him?
Because other teams actually already have players taller than 6-8 on their roster?
So then its not every team in America.
Well, I wasn't the one that claimed that so....
It's still every team in America. It's just that some have them already.
Just be 7' 1", nothing else matters. Hilarious.
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Why the hell wouldnt we offer his brother? He happens to be 7'1 and 275lbs
Because who needs a seven-footer who averages 9 points, 11 rebounds and nearly 4 blocks per game?
Every team in america
Then why aren't teams lining up to get him?
Because other teams actually already have players taller than 6-8 on their roster?
So then its not every team in America.
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Why the hell wouldnt we offer his brother? He happens to be 7'1 and 275lbs
Because who needs a seven-footer who averages 9 points, 11 rebounds and nearly 4 blocks per game?
Every team in america
Then why aren't teams lining up to get him?
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I'm betting he goes to UNLV..
Shocker.
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Be they theist, atheist or anti-theist, on this nearly all scientists agree: In the beginning there was nothing. There was no time, space or matter. There wasn’t even emptiness, only nothingness. Well, nothing natural anyway.
Then: bang! Everything. Nonexistence became existence. Nothing became, in less than an instant, our inconceivably vast and finely tuned universe governed by what mankind would later call – after we, too, popped into existence from nowhere, fully armed with conscious awareness and the ability to think, communicate and observe – “natural law” or “physics.”
Time, space, earth, life and, finally, human life were not.
And then they were.
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Christian author Eric Metaxas notes, “The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared with the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all. For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces – gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the ‘strong’ and ‘weak’ nuclear forces – were determined less than one-millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction – by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000 – then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp. … It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really?”And so, they have “reasoned” themselves into a corner. These same materialists acknowledge that, prior to the moment of singularity – the Big Bang – there was no “natural.” They admit that there was an unnatural time and place before natural time and space – that something, sometime, somewhere preceded the material universe. That which preceded the natural was, necessarily, “beyond the natural” and, therefore, was, is and forever shall be “supernatural.”
Reader, meet God.
In short: the Big Bang blows atheism sky high.
A good quote from your link:
Albert Einstein, who is often dishonestly characterized as having been an atheist, agreed that God-denial is foolishness. He once said of non-believers: “The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who – in their grudge against traditional religion as the ‘opium of the masses’ – cannot hear the music of the spheres.”
“I’m not an atheist,” added Einstein. “The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.”
Illustrious NASA scientist (and agnostic) Dr. Robert Jastrow (1925-2008) put it this way: “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. -Albert Einstein
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm
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I believe the decision as to whether or not God created the Heavens and the Earth is best considered following the reasoning explained as follows:
1. Almost everyone tend's to 'find God' as their death approachs, whether in a very fearful situation or as last illness takes its toll on the mortal body.
2. The incredible nature and scope of the universe(s) and all things and matters and forces within and without are only explained as being the creation of a devine creator
as nothing short of the indescribable power and supremacy of God offers any alternative explanation.
3. Breathtaking complexity and simplicity beyond the incalcuable intelligence of a supernatural being beyond our comprehension offer strong evidence not rebutted by any reasonable means to date.
4. To deny the Creator is to essentially to suspend one's faculties for reason and logic in the face of fundamental truth.
5. The atheist argues that from nothing came exerything as a result of a big bang, without offering any rational explanation or causation or force to iniate or instigate the said 'big bang,
6. Almost all scientist steadfastly maintain that in the beginning there was nothing - that time, space, Earth, life, humanity were not and then suddenly were.
7. The complex planning and design of things such as for life to exolve on a planet such as the Earth is miniscule in comparison to the unfathomable complexity of the planning and design of the universe or even many, many universes.
8. The details and intricate interactions of all things from gravity to the forces which hold the atoms together or repel them apart to the effects of light, radiation, wave patterns and many other scientific matters are beyond the theoretically possible of pure happenstance or 'luck' as any ever so slight variation of any of the many aspects of the universe would leave nothing instead of everything.
9. The chances of all of everything being formed, created, coming into existence or going out of existence without devine derivation are nil.
10. To simply say that all that is 'just kind of happened' magically or for any unspecified reason other than devine creation is nonsensical basically.
11. The mathematical logic of 1 + 1 = 2 and 2 + 2 = 4 is the same logic that says 0 + 0 = 0 EXCEPT that in the case of all things in the universe, 0 + 0 = Everything (nothing = everything.
12. If before the natural universe was formed by the big bang, there was nothing, then whatever preceded the natural was necessarily the unnatural or supernatural if you will (or God by another name essentially).
I am sure, if I spent more time, I could perhaps better explain these things but the burden certainly shifts to those in denial as to how one explains 'everything' but for God.
Pretty flimsy mental gymnastics you have going on here. Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence. Where everything comes from certainly falls into this category but so does a revealed God.
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Sounds like you are atheist or agnostic. Read article i linked in post #217. I think if one allows it really makes an atheist, agnostic, or "scientist" have to rethink things. It actually makes more sense that there is an all poweful being, God.
Assuming that Mormonism or Scientology is true....then what? Awfully big assumptions in any of these cases.Knapp you say God is a worse father than you?
Using terms from the stand point of there not being a God. Consider a God that is in fact omniscient and all powerful. If we were created from dust and nothing more. Considering the story of sin in the garden of eden (according to the Bible). We have violated God's command and through genetics inherited original man's sinful nature.Assuming the Bible is true...What does God owe us? Who gives us authority to tell our "father" what to do? Do we as parents give in to everything our children want? Isn't it loving of God to be forgiving by giving us a single way to be with him after repeated rebellion? Why should there even be any way at all?
Sounds like you are atheist or agnostic. Read article i linked in post #217. I think if one allows it really makes an atheist, agnostic, or "scientist" have to rethink things. It actually makes more sense that there is an all poweful being, God.
Assuming that Mormonism or Scientology is true....then what? Awfully big assumptions in any of these cases.Knapp you say God is a worse father than you?
Using terms from the stand point of there not being a God. Consider a God that is in fact omniscient and all powerful. If we were created from dust and nothing more. Considering the story of sin in the garden of eden (according to the Bible). We have violated God's command and through genetics inherited original man's sinful nature.Assuming the Bible is true...What does God owe us? Who gives us authority to tell our "father" what to do? Do we as parents give in to everything our children want? Isn't it loving of God to be forgiving by giving us a single way to be with him after repeated rebellion? Why should there even be any way at all?
Hilarious. Just because science does not have all of the answers yet, it doesn't mean making things up in order to pacify the unknown is the proper way to do things. I have always said that I don't have enough proof to ultimately say that there is not a grand designer of things...but to believe any of the ridiculous religions that man has made is foolish in my opinion.
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He was a 4 star commit and white will be gone when he is eligible so I'd assume he would be a starter.Palmer commits to Nebraska.
Depth but not starter?
4 star commit who played... less than decent at Miami.
Did we really need another guard?
Much like how White played less than decent at Kansas before transferring.
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Palmer commits to Nebraska.
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Knapp you say God is a worse father than you?
Using terms from the stand point of there not being a God. Consider a God that is in fact omniscient and all powerful. If we were created from dust and nothing more. Considering the story of sin in the garden of eden (according to the Bible). We have violated God's command and through genetics inherited original man's sinful nature.
Assuming the Bible is true...What does God owe us? Who gives us authority to tell our "father" what to do? Do we as parents give in to everything our children want? Isn't it loving of God to be forgiving by giving us a single way to be with him after repeated rebellion? Why should there even be any way at all?
Assuming that Mormonism or Scientology is true....then what? Awfully big assumptions in any of these cases.
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Would anyone argue that that.......in the event Nebraska only gathers ONE ( any sport) commit this weekend, that Tshimanga is far more important overall than D.E. Thomas in football ??
I think many here would argue that a new shipment of athletic tape for the football team is more important than anything for the basketball team.
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Kenya Hunter's East Coast ties are big for us to get Jordy. If he commits he will be getting playing time from day one most likely.
He better get playing time from day one. We only have like 6 players left on the team. Plus being a foot taller than everyone else doesn't hurt either.
Bet you have some good fishing stories!!!!
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IMHO..as a Christian.
If a Church is operated the way I feel comfortable with and not out to seek profit, they wouldn't have to pay taxes because every cent of "profit" would go to a charity of somesort.
I understand that that is a simplistic view of income taxes and Churches, but I think laws could easily be written to tax "for profit" Churches. And yes, taking offering to expand your sound system is "for profit" in my book or to give the minister a private jet....
You get it.
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I'm sorry you're so upset about your sh**ty "music"(noise) getting lambasted by me, but really, not my prob, and a tantrum isn't going to help you. And, you are currently speaking to the:
Sez the liar who said he put me on ignore
Yeah, ignore is for weak cowards who don't have the balls for metal.
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So you break their stuff? You sound pretty metal to me. Well. The way you describe metal anyway.
You get in in faces...you tell them they are wrong. ,you tell them what they like is sh#t...and you break the stuff.
So you do all the sh#t you say metal fans do...you sir...are pure metal
Nice try.
All self defense, and psyche preservation. They are the perps.
BTW, can someone splain to me the "lawn" reference?
lawn1lôn/Originmid 16th century: alteration of dialect laund ‘glade, pasture,’ from Old French launde ‘wooded district, heath,’ of Celtic origin. The current sense dates from the mid 18th century.Oh, so it doesn't mean anything, thanks
About as much as your incoherent rant about your perception of music.
Haha, good one, you "gotcha" me, eh? Metal is basically semi-skilled noise production, I don't consider it as music.
Howsa 'bout we test your "Metal", your commitment to the
with a hypothetical. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that there is a Gawd and there is an afterlife. And let's also say, Mr. Moesker Metalhead Truther, that when it comes time for you to throw off this mortal coil you are faced with a choice: do you want Heaven or Hell? Heaven is run by this guy named Jesus and his Dad and Hell is managed by a guy named Lucifer.In Heaven, your comrades will include the likes of former stellar figures like Plato, Aristotle, Michaelangelo, Monet, Galileo, Shakespeare, Thoreau, Emerson, Twain, Steinbeck,etc, with the music of Chopin, Bach, Schumann, Mozart and the like and even the newer hipster sounds of the likes of Glenn Frye, Donald Fagan, Chick Corea, Charlie Byrd, Marvin Gaye, EW&F, David Gilmore, Roger Waters, etc. And don't forget the voluptuous babes. Only problem in Heaven: absolutely no Metal allowed!
Not to worry, though, buddy o' pal, since in Hell, along with the Eternal Fire and gnashing of teeths and general lack of clothing and edible food, your comrades will exist exclusively of every baby butchering Metal rocker of every Metalhead band that ever existed, and blaring, scratching, thrashing, writhing Metal is the only noise allowed in Hell.
So, which door do you choose when your Maker comes calling? Will it be the Metal free zone called Heaven, or the Metal saturated underworld called Hell?
Take all the time you need.
What an hysterical rant. Metalhead truther? What does that even mean in your crazy little world? You sound like someone who has gone off his meds and the paranoia is creeping in. Even worse you design a absurd hypothetical that really doesn't have any rationality to it.
Donald Fagan? LMFAO!!!!
Figured, backed you in a corner.
Also figured you wouldn't recognize real musical genius, ok, on to iggy.....
Backed me into a corner? With your delusional heaven question? This is turning from hilarious to sad now as you actually seem to be buying your own crapola. We should call you evangelist corn from here on out.
LOL...Steely Dan is dreadfully awful.
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So you break their stuff? You sound pretty metal to me. Well. The way you describe metal anyway.
You get in in faces...you tell them they are wrong. ,you tell them what they like is sh#t...and you break the stuff.
So you do all the sh#t you say metal fans do...you sir...are pure metal
Nice try.
All self defense, and psyche preservation. They are the perps.
BTW, can someone splain to me the "lawn" reference?
lawn1lôn/Originmid 16th century: alteration of dialect laund ‘glade, pasture,’ from Old French launde ‘wooded district, heath,’ of Celtic origin. The current sense dates from the mid 18th century.Oh, so it doesn't mean anything, thanks
About as much as your incoherent rant about your perception of music.
Haha, good one, you "gotcha" me, eh? Metal is basically semi-skilled noise production, I don't consider it as music.
Howsa 'bout we test your "Metal", your commitment to the
with a hypothetical. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that there is a Gawd and there is an afterlife. And let's also say, Mr. Moesker Metalhead Truther, that when it comes time for you to throw off this mortal coil you are faced with a choice: do you want Heaven or Hell? Heaven is run by this guy named Jesus and his Dad and Hell is managed by a guy named Lucifer.In Heaven, your comrades will include the likes of former stellar figures like Plato, Aristotle, Michaelangelo, Monet, Galileo, Shakespeare, Thoreau, Emerson, Twain, Steinbeck,etc, with the music of Chopin, Bach, Schumann, Mozart and the like and even the newer hipster sounds of the likes of Glenn Frye, Donald Fagan, Chick Corea, Charlie Byrd, Marvin Gaye, EW&F, David Gilmore, Roger Waters, etc. And don't forget the voluptuous babes. Only problem in Heaven: absolutely no Metal allowed!
Not to worry, though, buddy o' pal, since in Hell, along with the Eternal Fire and gnashing of teeths and general lack of clothing and edible food, your comrades will exist exclusively of every baby butchering Metal rocker of every Metalhead band that ever existed, and blaring, scratching, thrashing, writhing Metal is the only noise allowed in Hell.
So, which door do you choose when your Maker comes calling? Will it be the Metal free zone called Heaven, or the Metal saturated underworld called Hell?
Take all the time you need.
What an hysterical rant. Metalhead truther? What does that even mean in your crazy little world? You sound like someone who has gone off his meds and the paranoia is creeping in. Even worse you design a absurd hypothetical that really doesn't have any rationality to it.
Donald Fagan? LMFAO!!!!
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Not really on topic but...
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So you break their stuff? You sound pretty metal to me. Well. The way you describe metal anyway.
You get in in faces...you tell them they are wrong. ,you tell them what they like is sh#t...and you break the stuff.
So you do all the sh#t you say metal fans do...you sir...are pure metal
Nice try.
All self defense, and psyche preservation. They are the perps.
BTW, can someone splain to me the "lawn" reference?
lawn1lôn/Originmid 16th century: alteration of dialect laund ‘glade, pasture,’ from Old French launde ‘wooded district, heath,’ of Celtic origin. The current sense dates from the mid 18th century.Oh, so it doesn't mean anything, thanks
About as much as your incoherent rant about your perception of music.
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Dedicated to all the 'real music' lovers out there.
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You ever see some of these "baby Daddy" families where the mom and dad listen to Metal and Rap all day at home? Their kids basically look like they have PTSD. Good way to destroy young minds--older minds too.
Just doin' a social service here, folks, don't mind me....
You sound like one of those Christian fundies in the other threads who wide brush everyone who isn't in their group.
Naw, I'm just a real musician who appreciates real music and hates Metal.
LOL, real music huh? God you sound old.
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Sorry sports fans, just can't resist bashing heavy Metal, especially when grown, college educated men listen to it. But in so doing, I violated my own cardinal rule, which is to never get into discussions re: music on a sports blog, so I apologize and won't let it happen again. Carry on butchering babies and what not.....
Unless you have actually butchered a baby, please don't be so critical.
And as somewhat of a metalhead, I ask the others like me...who has actually heard of 'Butchered babies'?
Its like using Charles Starkweather as an example of Nebraskans.
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You ever see some of these "baby Daddy" families where the mom and dad listen to Metal and Rap all day at home? Their kids basically look like they have PTSD. Good way to destroy young minds--older minds too.
Just doin' a social service here, folks, don't mind me....
You sound like one of those Christian fundies in the other threads who wide brush everyone who isn't in their group.
Go to Church and live longer says this study
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