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Been hearing a lot of talk, and with Florida St. opening and going after Taggert. 

Its been floated around that Oregon will pressumably go after Frost. 

Will he he listen or has Nebraska and Frost been done for a while. Or does he take a step back and start weighing his options again?

 

 

Husker nation is in real trouble based on some of the vitriol I'm seeing in the Twitter universe over this. The divide that was ripped open in 2003 remains today, I don't think we have a person who can come in and fix it. The fan base is seriously fractured.

 

There is something hilariously ironic about you posting that.

 

I heard they're only getting rid of records from former players that live over 500 miles away because they aren't true Nebraskans and their records are hurting our strength and conditioning culture.

This is awesome. Best post of the day

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Help jog my memory, but wasn't there a player on the team flipping off and lashing out at fans? Clearly, there is zero disconnect between fans and players.

 

And clearly if one person does it that has to mean the other 120+ feel the same way.

What? That's literally your logic in this topic. One player said it wasn't a big deal and was blown out of proportion, therefore that's what every other player thinks. lol?

Well, off the top of my head MRI, Tommy Armstrong, and Mike Riley himself have said it was overblown. An offensive leader, defensive leader, and the new head coach.

 

So there's that.

I don't disagree that overall it's overblown, but I also believe the previous coach's sentiment regarding fans rubbed off on some players.

The fact of the matter isn't about it being overblown, it's that some players did foster that mentality - and one was a captain.

So there's that.

you mean he comment he made about just the fair-weather fans that boo the team and leave early?

 

Yeah, those fans suck.

 

So there's that.

Ya. 'Cause I'm sure that's the only thing Bo ever said. Lolol.

Maybe not, but that one soundbyte is usually what some people solely base their opinion on.

Is there other "proof" of Bo saying he hates all Nebraska fans?

 

Let's vilify some and redirect blame for faults of others based on assumptions and hyperbole. lolol

 

 

You guys can quibble all you want about Bo creating or not creating a toxic atmosphere surrounding the team. Personally I don't give much credence to guys now saying it wasn't that bad. You know how bad it was? Bad enough that a perennial 9 win coach got fired for it. Guessing that's a pretty good indicator that things weren't all sunshine and roses.

 

How bad was it in 1978 when another perennial 9 win coach was almost fired? I guess that's a pretty good indicator that some people's definition/expectation/tolerance for sunshine and roses can be skewed.

Or you could say the difference between Pelini and Osborne was not getting fired.

 

In truth, Osborne was not almost fired in 1978, but considered the Colorado job because he didn't think he was being appreciated enough at Nebraska.

 

It remains unknown whether Tom ever called Bob Devaney a kunt.

 

So there's that.

"In truth"?

Nice to see someone being truthful, instead of making statements based on assumptions and hyperbole.

 

In truth, Osborne himself said a regent pulled him aside after the Bluebonnet bowl and told him if he hadn't won he would have been fired. Is Osborne lying?

 

In truth, there is a big difference between AD Devaney's regard for Osborne than there was AD Eichorst's regard for Pelini. Perhaps Devaney and Osborne had a pre-existing relationship prior to their AD/HC occupational situation?

 

It remains unknown if Osborne would not have called Devaney a kunt after Devaney had fired Osborne.

 

It also remains unknown to some if apples are equal to oranges.

 

So there's that.

And perhaps ADSE had a reason to hold Pelini in such regard. I think this whole thing should be over and move on. I really think that Pelinis personality and they way he did things did rub off on players but I also think that these young men are growing and learning new things. They are smart kids and I think this is one of those things fans need to get through the offseason, and I suppose for some to try to draw lines

A plus .700 winning percentage with a 8-17 record vs. AP-ranked teams (3-9 on the road), no BCS bowl appearances, no conference titles and he was 3-4 in his last 7 November games.

 

Simply stating ".700 winning percentage" like it tells the whole story is like saying "he had a bad attitude" and suggesting that tells the whole story. They don't.

 

Just give it up.

But hey he beat the crap out SDSU a couple of times

I rank our next 4 coaches like this:

1-Scott Frost

2-Christian Peter

3-Carl Pelini

4-Sam Cotton

Is Monte Kiffen still around?

"Continuous improvement" is not really a very good measure of coaching acumen, especially in the college game.

I see no evidence that NU is about to land a game changing college QB, though he may end up being a good pro.

WOW

That could be one of the dumbest posts I have read on here in a long time. CM, I usually enjoy your posts, even though I don't agree all the time with them. But your hatred for this staff and love for the previous is really starting the cloud your judgement. If improvement isn't a good measure how do coaches last. Shouldn't every coach be fired after one maybe two years?

 

But don't accuse me of not supporting Riley. I will never call for him to be fired as long as he does three things:

 

 

Where do people get these crazy ideas about you, CM?

 

 

 

Having Nebraska ties is a great asset. Not sure why some are trying to downplay the value in that.

Personally, I wish we'd fire Riley today and steal frost before he signs the papers.

 

Drop the mic Guy. Excellent. Also, I highly doubt a "Hack" official as you call him can rise as far as he did.

CM, it does not matter what you think of him personally, you cannot just dismiss what he said.

 

Never said you can have just one but not the other. My point is: I'll take elite coaching and good talent over elite talent and only good coaching.

You don't have to agree.

As far as GTech goes, many of their problems trace back to coaching, as assistant turnover has taken a toll on them. They also weren't all that talented last year, but their scheme (and a good turnover margin) disguised that.

That's the dumbest thing I've read ever.

The scheme worked for the same guys last year but not this year.

Did you watch their games this year like I did? Scheme wasn't the problem. Talent was

 

 

 

 

So Bo Pelini can win 9-10 games a year with no talent, but Riley will need 1.5 years to get the talent needed to get passed 6 wins?

Any way you slice it, it's hard to get past this point.

Let's not ignore Bo and Co's ineptitude recruiting that put us in this situation partially as well.

I would add that Riley gets this years talent not last years' (AKA not an NFL running back). At least Callahan did not leave a bare cupboard. Riley still under performed and he was too interested in getting his system into place, not catering to the players talents so he better make the best of the mulligan he gets this year.

People say that Solich left a bare cupboard. In reality, Callahan inherited more and higher drafted NFL prospects than Pelini did.

The artist shapes the clay.

I highly doubt Bo would have won less than this year with this exact roster.

WHAT??????

In 2003, a year the Huskers only lost three games, Steve Pederson fired Frank Solich, and stated that he would not let the huskers slip into mediocrity. Since then, the Huskers have lost more than three games every year. When will the Huskers return to the same level as the year Solich was fired, and when will the Huskers exceed the 2003 season results? I predict three losses for the Huskers in 2019, and less than three losses in 2020. I see the current staff at Nebraska for two additional years, then a new AD finally hires a coach that believes in an attacking D and a strong running game based on homegrown linemen. In 2018, a new staff makes improvements, and in finally returns to a three loss season in 2019. The improvement continues with a single loss season in 2020 which ends with a BCS bowl win.

Wow, sad thing is this took some time to think about. I didnt agree with the Callahan hire, but solich needed to go. So let's get over that 13 year gripe. Second of all, who really gives a rats behind what offense we run. If a coach came in here and threw the ball 70 times and won a national championship or two no one would care we only ran the ball 10 times a game. Who cares, Just win

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In 2 years hire Scott Frost.

And bring in his "throw it all over the yard, PAC 12 basketball offense"???? This is freaking hilarious........ People here bitch about throwing it to much and you want the Frost offense????? Of course it is Frost, so he will do no wrong. LOL!!!!

I'm assuming that since Frost is actually familiar with our program, he would formulate an offense to be successful here. I'd bet that he would call plays to the strengths of his players, something that the current staff lied about doing.

You assume a lot, most of it wrong. Coaches run what they know! Frost is going to run his Oregon offense in Florida and should he come here in the distant future, he is not going to run an offense he has NEVER coached. He would bring an offense you claim to despise (Chuckle) Dream on Dream Weaver......

You mean his offense that is based on principles of Dr. Tom's?

I'll take that.

Now that is a stretch or a crap, how ever you want to frame it. Chip Kelly's offense based in the Osborne principle??? Ha! Ha! WOW!

 

Nebraska 2015: 439 passing plays - 434 running plays

 

Oregon 2015: 340 passing plays - 570 running plays

 

Frost has said repeatedly that he wants an offense with a more powerful running game in addition to the up tempo-quick strike passing game... and that's exactly the type of offense that he ran at Oregon this year and that Frost will run in Florida.

 

 

Unfortunately I'm going to have to join the chorus in saying that this person going by the name RADAR does not know what they are talking about... and appears to know nothing about football.

Let us not forget that many of the principles for the zone read scheme were derived from Dr. Tom's option principles.

Please let me know anywhere where that it written or said. While Osborns option game was outstanding, it was not unique. It took its principals from other option schemes like wing t and wishbone.

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/mikejschaefer/status/673610971298979840

 

Next season the goal will be to have a bowl outside of Florida or California

Next season, the goal should be to actually deserve a bowl. Not steal a "win" on a horrifically bad call and then get a bid to a bowl game out of pity. Fact is, we do NOT deserve a bowl this year. We should be more ashamed than excited. Next up: participation trophies and orange slices...count me out. Missouri is the only team with enough class to say thanks but no thanks.

your not a player or a coach so drop the "we" sh#t. this team didn't beg to get a bowl game but as things are they did. Ucla got the same treatment a few years back. Extra practice time wont hurt.

Amen

 

The amount of ignorance displayed in this thead by some NU fans as to Solich's situation is beyond description. I see one poster stated: "it was evident that perhaps the Big 12 was catching up to us and he wasn't going to be the guy to get us back on top." I wonder if this poster bases that statement on the same pixy dust as those who think that if only Riley can get his players in the system, that he will turn NU around, despite the fact that his record points to him being a career .500 head coach.

 

Solich faced a number of problems, not the least of which was an arrogant AD who undermined/did not support him. He inherited an aging staff, some of whom thought they were a better HC than Solich, and some who did not actively go out on the road to recruit. Solich and that disjointed staff did better than expected. When he reassembled his staff, NU was on it's way back to the top. Unfortunately, as CM husker has pointed out, SPEM had other ideas, and he is the one who, despite his braggadocio on the day he fired Solich, gravitated NU into mediocrity, and below. So, if you are angry at the situation NU football is in, look no farther than SPEM, and Prickman, who enabled him (remember the extension not too long before he was fired?) If it wasn't for SPEM and Prickman, NU would have been the first school with back to back to back 100 wins head coaches.

 

And for those who wondered who Solich recruited during his tenure as an assistant, does anyone remember Mike Rozier? I'm sure there are more, but that's just the first off the top of my head.

 

Apparently, critical thinking is no longer taught in public schools.

 

Ahem. I am "that one poster" whom you think believes in pixie dust. What I believe about Riley at this point is irrelevant because he has had one year as coach at Nebraska. If he improves, great. If not, on to the next. I am not in a place that I feel I can evaluate a coach based on one year. I didn't want Pelini gone until about year 5 or so.

 

With regards to Solich and his AD, we can agree that Pederson was not up to the task of being the AD of Nebraska. That doesn't mean that he was wrong in the overall decision to fire Solich. Timing? Perhaps. Mucking up the hiring process? Yes. Hiring the wrong replacement? Absolutely.

 

Solich inherited an aging staff that he elected to keep. That's on him. He owns that outright. Did he make necessary changes? Yes. And he should have been given time to see if they would work. In the end, it probably wasn't going to get us anywhere. Of course that, is my opinion. But based on Solich NEVER getting a shot at a major program even though he traveled coast to coast to learn and evaluate from all of the great coaches at the time, he ended up at Ohio........University.

 

And furthermore, Solich may not have been the HC at Nebraska at all. I believe it is common knowledge that Bill Byrne had his sights set on a young coordinator named Bob Stoops. But Osborne, with his legacy in tow, had some veto power and got his buddy hired instead.

 

I am sure Frank is a great guy and a good coach. I actually went to the Gophers game this year to cheer him on. I just don't believe he was the right coach to continue the winning traditions of Nebraska.

 

Is that thinking critically enough for you?

Roasted

Awesome

 

 

Serious question here. If he didn't grow up or play for NEB would anyone seriously want to hire him for the NEB job?? I guess the real question is would half of you even know who he was if he was just the Oregon OC

 

 

 

This gets posed all the time, and frankly I think it's a dumb question.

 

 

 

Him being a Nebraska native that played here is part of his resume to look at as a potential head coach at Nebraska. He's a great coach in his own right, but him being a hometown boy that knows the culture, a former player that knows the program, and a good man that would embrace the values and the characteristics of the state are important.

 

Would Michigan have hired Brady Hoke if he wasn't a Michigan Man? Would Urban have jumped back into coaching for any job other than his homestate school? You don't think Bama will come calling to Dabo Swinney when Saban hangs it up? Would Pat Fitzgerald or Mike Gundy have essentially lifetime job security if they didn't play at NW or OSU respectively?

So a good reason for the Frank Solich hire is because he played here? Or to have Turner Gill here as a head coach. Would it be great to bring back the hometown kid who won a national championship?? Sure, but I don't need a hometown kid for me to feel better about the program. I just want the coach who is going to win here. He has ZERO head coaching experience this year and the last couple years he's called plays he had arguably the best QB in the NCAA. Let's see what he can do on his own before we crown him.

Your not really comparing Frost to Hoke , Meyer and the rest of them are you?

I am a die hard, long, long time Husker fan.

Before getting too arrogant and making fun of Iowa,

I think we should ask which team is 10-0 and ranked 3rd in the nation and which team is not even bowl eligible and lost to Purdue and Illinois

Regardless of the outcome of the game on Friday, Iowa has had the far superior season

At least say polak

 

This is dumb. Making Iowa our "rival" is dumb.

 

But it's so much fun to poke fun at the bohunks next door.

As a bohunk I take great offense to that