cornstar

 

 

 

 

So if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 next season some of you want him fired? Isn't that how we got into this mess in the first place? QUIT FIRING 9 WIN COACHES! This program is circling the bowl as it is due to the expectations here at times. 9 wins isn't good enough scares away a lot of coaches and makes the job undesirable to most coaches out there. We simply can't fire him next season if that's what happens. The best thing that could happen is that he retires if that happens next season. Then you bring in a new coach for 2018's schedule. That could be brutal as well when you look at that schedule. He keeps winning 8 or 9 games a season we're stuck with him until he retires. We better hope for a good season next year because the next two after that could get ugly if they don't figure this out.

 

I agree with much of what you said, but don't forget about last year. It was totally unacceptable and if we see a couple more .500ish records the next two years, 2016 will be an anomaly and should have no bearing on his employment at NU.

I agree about last year being unacceptable and I'm certainly not saying we need to accept mediocrity. We are in a sticky situation though and need to let this play out some. The folks that want Riley fired now though never wanted him in the first place. Firing him now simply isn't a good option.

I'm certain I haven't called for Riley to be fired at this point, and I know that he will be here next year, probably two or 3 more years barring a disastrous season next year.

 

 

 

 

I am confused...Nate sucks at football and is poison to the team...yet people are mad that he wasn't playing? Hmmm I 100% agree that your grades are your responsibility. I also think that if I am the CEO of a multi-million dollar company and if my company doing well is dependent on the "workers" to be eligible, I am going to have rules and procedures in place. Just like the "workers" are "forced" to hydrate after practice and before they get on a plane and they have to eat certain things from the training table at every meal... With that said...you actually have to try to get an F so more than likely he was not going to pass no matter what.

Bravo.That being said, I've yet to see one person not say that Nate was at fault for this. Not one.

I guess you didn't read TheSkers comments, he thinks this is all on Riley for not babysitting every one of his players.

Of course Gerry is responsible for his decision. "Babysitting" is a word you're using in an attempt to distract from the basic responsibility Riley has to have basic systems in place regarding the academics of his players. Riley is not the only coach on staff. Perhaps Brian Stewart or Mark Banker should have the responsibility to know where their smaller number of players are academically. After all, it affects eligibility of scholarship, right? My bigger point is Riley should have been aware of this well before December. It's more than slightly ironic that Riley can thank Pelini's accountability for Riley making the bowl game last season. At this point, who's at fault matters less than it showing Riley may not exactly be the "leader" Eichorst keeps referring to.

At what point do you let players who are grown men, be responsible for themselves? At what point do you stop "checking up" on them? (And that IS babysitting them.)I'd bet Riley has told the team repeatedly that not only is it THEIR responsibility to to get to class and get their schoolwork done but also that the coaches wouldn't be following up because they ARE grown men. This staff keeps telling these guys to "do the right thing" and Gerry not going to class is him NOT doing the right thing, it's Gerry NOT doing what his coaches are telling him....again.Your last line reveals your agenda yet again. It's all about the coaches and their failures (both real and imagined) for you. And this is one of those imagined failures because the coaches are teaching these guys to be responsible adults and all you can see is failure.I pity people like you who are so negative they can't enjoy the things they profess to love.

At pretty much every company the superiors are ultimately responsible for the performance of their subordinates.

If the subordinates aren't doing their job satisfactorily its up to the superiors to ensure that the job performance improves, somehow, some way.

 

 

Urban Meyer inherited a team that is head and shoulders above us in talent right now. OSU is simply better across the board and so are each of those other teams you mentioned.

I'm fairly certain that we beat Ohio state the year before Meyer took over. They didn't look that much more athletic than we did that day.

They were kicking the crap out of us until they lost their starting quarterback to injury.

So you're saying we won.

 

 

 

 

This wasn't on Banker, NU is still trying to replenish a shelf left bare by the Pelini debacle and sifting out the old stuff. Defensive coaching can't make players faster or more talented. The DB's played soft because they couldn't match the speed of Vol receivers, and Gerry's total team abandonment hurt NU very badly. The remaining NU players did what they could given lack of depth and experience. Good players make coaches look good. We are still a ways from having a full, talented bench. This won't happen overnight.

The new staff has been aware of the talent level, or allegedly lack thereof, since taking the job two years ago. Check out Clemson's two deep on the defensive line.

How many scholarships do you think we can hand out each year?Fixing the depth issues WILL take time because of scholarship limitations. And you can't just go out and recruit nothing but linemen one year to "fix" the problem because not only will you end up in the same position 4 years down the road when that group graduates but you also are robbing other positions of bodies so those positions begin suffering from depth issues as well.The best way to fix this imo, is by hiring more ace recruiters. We'll have to endure some pain but life is like a bed of roses, some beauty and pain.

I agree about the need for ace recruiters. That is not unique to Nebraska. Now, if you would, please take a look at the Clemson two deep DL. You'll see they have one senior and are loaded with underclassmen. If the problem was identified two years ago........

I see you completely ignore the fact that we have recruiting limitations.

Since when?

I just thought that recruiting failures were due to lazy coaches.

 

 

I am confused...Nate sucks at football and is poison to the team...yet people are mad that he wasn't playing? Hmmm

 

I 100% agree that your grades are your responsibility. I also think that if I am the CEO of a multi-million dollar company and if my company doing well is dependent on the "workers" to be eligible, I am going to have rules and procedures in place. Just like the "workers" are "forced" to hydrate after practice and before they get on a plane and they have to eat certain things from the training table at every meal...

 

With that said...you actually have to try to get an F so more than likely he was not going to pass no matter what.

Bravo.

 

That being said, I've yet to see one person not say that Nate was at fault for this. Not one.

I guess you didn't read TheSkers comments, he thinks this is all on Riley for not babysitting every one of his players.

Did he say that Nate is not at fault?

I was at the game, and the Vols were definitely happy to be there. It was a home game for them, their seniors were cranked, and the Tennessee fans are vocal and enthusiastic. I think our whole problem was a distinct lack of veteran team leadership and the remaining Pelini players just didn't contribute noticeably.

Pelini players?

Aren't they playing in a championship game next weekend?

So if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 next season some of you want him fired? Isn't that how we got into this mess in the first place? QUIT FIRING 9 WIN COACHES! This program is circling the bowl as it is due to the expectations here at times. 9 wins isn't good enough scares away a lot of coaches and makes the job undesirable to most coaches out there. We simply can't fire him next season if that's what happens. The best thing that could happen is that he retires if that happens next season. Then you bring in a new coach for 2018's schedule. That could be brutal as well when you look at that schedule. He keeps winning 8 or 9 games a season we're stuck with him until he retires. We better hope for a good season next year because the next two after that could get ugly if they don't figure this out.

I agree with much of what you said, but don't forget about last year. It was totally unacceptable and if we see a couple more .500ish records the next two years, 2016 will be an anomaly and should have no bearing on his employment at NU.

The question is... ?

 

How did we ever get in a position to allow Eichorst (a guy who had never hired a football coach in his life) a guy who obviously had no connection to Nebraska and no appreciation of our "culture"... how did he get in the position to hire the head coach at the University of Nebraska...?

 

How did that happen ?

Perlman.

 

 

 

What if Riley had gone 9-4 in his first year and 6-7 this year?

 

I know the record was better this year (mostly because in his first year Riley seemed to find ways to lose) but this 9-4 feels really bad.

This 9-4 feels the same as the Pelini yrs...decent number on paper but blown out by good teams.

Yeah, that is pretty true.

I feel less optimistic about this year.

Here is my ranking

1-5 A+

6 -15 A

16-20 A-

21-24 B+

24-27 B

28-30 B-

31-34 C+

35-38 C

39-40 C-

41-44-D-

45 or below F

Basically anything below 35 is a terrible class and I could see that class being rated an F.

You did well, but I made a small change.

I think for the most part it was about what I expected. I don't think either team was super excited to be there which probably accounted for the ultra lame first quarter but once the game got going it picked up.

I thought I heard either on the radio or on the news that Nebraska was having some tough, spirited practices prior to the bowl. That made it seem like the team was into this game.

 

 

 

 

 

The only difference is that Riley is a nice guy who does not make a scene on the sideline., rather he looks like he has absolutely no pulse whatsoever

Announcers called Osborne the Ultimate Stoic many, many times over the years. He gave the dullest interviews, a short smile was A LOT from him. "He did a pretty good job" was pretty big praise, it was pretty darn rare for him to show emotion on the sideline. He used to chew Big Red gum during games. And he turned out ok in the end.

Are you intimating with a straight face that will happen with Mike and crew? comeone man

We don't know Marko - the point is it took Tom MANY years to get the program to a place that people thought was acceptable, and it only was there for a few years. He wasn't the hero you all are making him out to be now looking back in retrospect.

But he was winning conference championships, finishing ranked normally in the top 10, and was playing in meaningful bowl games often with national championship implications. He didn't have a losing season and just above .500 overall winning percentage.

Can't recall your age, but I vividly remember fans calling for his, and each of the coaches jobs at the end of each season.

True.

There are far more similarities between the coaching perspective of TO and MR than differences.

They aren't, actually. This is what some people HOPE to be true. The only similarities is that they are both polite and soft spoken in public.

Urban Meyer inherited a team that is head and shoulders above us in talent right now. OSU is simply better across the board and so are each of those other teams you mentioned.

I'm fairly certain that we beat Ohio state the year before Meyer took over. They didn't look that much more athletic than we did that day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This team started off very hot at 7-0. Things were looking great, then came Wisconsin where we were shown we don't have the muscle to beat them. I was happy with Nebraska's performance in that game and the fact we had a chance to win it. The problem was we all knew the following week was a loss at Ohio State, and boy did it get bad. Then came Iowa, and now Tennessee.

 

After the great 7-0 start, Nebraska reverted back to their old ways. Beat the bad teams, lose to any team with a pulse, and lose badly on the big stage.

 

Next season will be very telling with this staff. It'll be year 3 under this system, it should be the year things get going in the direction the staff wants it to, their handprints should be on the team/program moreso then the previous staff anymore.Their excuse window (or the fans excuse window) will be narrower to blame the previous staff for mishaps and failure.

 

Nebraska has an extremely tough schedule next year, but we were told Riley was brought here to win championships, and to win championships you have to win seasons with tough schedules. Regardless of how tough NU's schedule is next year, I think the expectations should remain high.

 

I'm not giving up on Riley, and think this upcoming season will be very telling of what he is capable of doing at Nebraska.

I think year 4 and beyond is where we find out what this staff will be doing for us. Riley seems to be planning for the future, and that is a strategy I don't disagree with but that means we aren't going to have any instant gratification.

Instant gratification?

 

I don't think that many of us expected conference championships and a payoff berth in the first two seasons.

 

But, with our favorable schedules and having the best talent in the division, competing for division titles and, at the very least, not getting blown out by Purdue and Iowa are not unreasonable expectations.

We had at least one improvement this year beyond our overall record.

Zero credit for having a better record than 2015. And it's still no better than the last coach.

 

We didn't get beat by Purdue again.

Another zero credit quote. But I guess it is an improvement for our current coach.

 

And we didn't get blown out the first time either.

It was 42-16 going into the 4th. That's a blowout. I realize you're big on garbage time points, both for this staff and for Crapahan's, but most that know football don't care about those garbage points.

 

That said, Purdue is like Iowa St imo, a doormat to wipe our feet on and we lost. We shall forever hang our heads in shame over that.

Wasn't that their first B1G win in 2 or 3 years? Didn't Hazel get fired?

 

That may well be the worst loss in program history.

Is it still a blowout if we end up winning after being down 42-16? Of course not, only the final score matters in cases like these. How many times in sports have we seen miracle comebacks? We were having one against Purdue, we just ran out of time. But if it makes you feel better to keep calling it a blowout, then by all means, have at it.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

I don't believe in "garbage time" so how can I be big on "garbage time" points?

You mentioned the 07 offense as not being bad, but iirc we were getting boat raced in the USC game that year, they subbed in late and our starters made a little hay and made the final score look not so terrible.

 

Iirc, against Kansas that same year there was a similar situation.

 

I call that garbage time. You?

 

Opponents used to do that against us back in the 80s and 90s, but of course we would be up by 40+ and our 4th, 5th, and 6th teamers were facing their 1sts and 2nds.

How is this "garbage time" for either team? We're up by 40+ and our backups are getting valuable playing time. Their backups are getting valuable playing time.

Yes those reps are important but the game has been decided. Some of the guys still playing may be giving half effort, and their reps won't determine the outcome of the game.

Garbage time, it's a pretty common term.

I am confused...Nate sucks at football and is poison to the team...yet people are mad that he wasn't playing? Hmmm

 

I 100% agree that your grades are your responsibility. I also think that if I am the CEO of a multi-million dollar company and if my company doing well is dependent on the "workers" to be eligible, I am going to have rules and procedures in place. Just like the "workers" are "forced" to hydrate after practice and before they get on a plane and they have to eat certain things from the training table at every meal...

 

With that said...you actually have to try to get an F so more than likely he was not going to pass no matter what.

Bravo.

That being said, I've yet to see one person not say that Nate was at fault for this. Not one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bottom line is, Eichorst will never fire Riley, because it would reflect negatively on him. In turn, Riley will never fire Banker due to his loyalty. So basically we're stuck until Riley's contract expires. I don't have any faith that we'll make a good hire when it's that time again, anyway.We need to shell out big time $ and go after some big time coaches. Heck I remember when I said we should pursue Petersen and people laughed and said he'd never leave Boise. Washington proved that you never know unless you try.

The new chancellor may fire Eichorst. If the sellout streak ends there will be consequences.

Why would he fire Eichorst? How has Eichorst failed in his job?

Well, he's fired two more successful coaches and endorsed two under-performing ones. So.....

For some of us, it's always been about more than just the W/L columns.

 

And you're smart enough to know that at least one of those coaches wasn't fired simply for his W/L record so why keep acting like he was?

OMG.

 

Steve Pederson agrees with you.

Funny thing about Steve Pedersen, he wasn't fired because he hired Callahan. He was fired because he was an a-hole to work for and had the entire AD in disarray. (paraphrashing again.)

To the bolded, you may want to revisit that time period.

 

 

Okay, did that. Your point remains an enigma wrapped in a conundrum.

Another tidbit about Steve, Osborne recommended him for the job. How 'bout them apples?

Was Osborne the chancellor? Or was the chancellor brainless and did whatever the Representative told him to do?

 

The chancellor was never a fav of mine, but I'll put his brains up against yours, mine and Zoogs (combined) any day of the week.

You missed my point. I'm not saying that he wasn't or isn't intelligent, but the poster I responded to seemed to lay blame for the Pederson hire on Osborne.

Osborne didn't make that decision, Perlman did it on his own.

 

 

I have said before: I like Mike Riley and I definitely want him to win/succeed. But, after seeing our running game dwindle through the course of the season, I am losing faith in him.

 

Teams that struggle against the run look like Alabama when they play Nebraska. That's NOT talent.

 

That's coaching philosophy and focus.

 

Mike Riley is a passer. He comes from the Pac 10/12 where the running game is an after thought.

 

That is 100% fine and dandy for the Pac 12. But in the Big 10...not having a dominant running game gets you 5th place or lower in the conference standings.

 

Mike Riley seems incapable of learning that.

Riley had lots of 1,000 yard rushers at OSU. Jacquizz Rodgers 4 times. Yvenson Bernard 4 times. Ken Simonton once. "Mike Riley is a passer" and "Mike Riley seems incapable to leaning that" is total BS based on HIS HISTORY. His HISTORY has shown that when he has the horses, he uses them.

 

As for UNL's running backs, neither Newby nor Ozigbo would have started at OSU when Rodgers, Bernard or Simonton were there. In fact, neither of those guys would have started at OSU this season.

 

I'm sure some Stanford and Oregon fans would laugh at your assessment that rushing is an after thought in that league, not to again mention that Riley had 9 seasons where he had a 1,000 yard rusher.

Wait.....he had TWO different backs have four 1000 yard rushing seasons each?

If true, that's an impressive stat. I can't imagine that happening anywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

I have said before: I like Mike Riley and I definitely want him to win/succeed. But, after seeing our running game dwindle through the course of the season, I am losing faith in him.

 

Teams that struggle against the run look like Alabama when they play Nebraska. That's NOT talent.

 

That's coaching philosophy and focus.

 

Mike Riley is a passer. He comes from the Pac 10/12 where the running game is an after thought.

 

That is 100% fine and dandy for the Pac 12. But in the Big 10...not having a dominant running game gets you 5th place or lower in the conference standings.

 

Mike Riley seems incapable of learning that.

Riley had lots of 1,000 yard rushers at OSU. Jacquizz Rodgers 4 times. Yvenson Bernard 4 times. Ken Simonton once. "Mike Riley is a passer" and "Mike Riley seems incapable to leaning that" is total BS based on HIS HISTORY. His HISTORY has shown that when he has the horses, he uses them.

 

As for UNL's running backs, neither Newby nor Ozigbo would have started at OSU when Rodgers, Bernard or Simonton were there. In fact, neither of those guys would have started at OSU this season.

 

I'm sure some Stanford and Oregon fans would laugh at your assessment that rushing is an after thought in that league, not to again mention that Riley had 9 seasons where he had a 1,000 yard rusher.

First, the Pac-10 (at the time) has never been known for their outstanding defenses.

 

Second, if Riley was calling plays here, that would be applicable. Since he's not calling plays - nor designing the offense - it doesn't really make much difference what they did at Oregon State. I kind of doubt they were mainly an Inside Zone team during those seasons.

If it was up to me, and I understand its not, I'd run traps, counters and sweeps as my bread and butter running plays.

Plays that can assist in negating a "more athletic/talented" defensive front........That would be my choice as well...

Yep. And you can use those plays to help create favorable matchups also.

Holy crap, we agree again.

Haha. Seriously though, are the OL now and in the future athletic enough to run the traps and pass block effectively?

 

 

 

 

 

This team started off very hot at 7-0. Things were looking great, then came Wisconsin where we were shown we don't have the muscle to beat them. I was happy with Nebraska's performance in that game and the fact we had a chance to win it. The problem was we all knew the following week was a loss at Ohio State, and boy did it get bad. Then came Iowa, and now Tennessee.

 

After the great 7-0 start, Nebraska reverted back to their old ways. Beat the bad teams, lose to any team with a pulse, and lose badly on the big stage.

 

Next season will be very telling with this staff. It'll be year 3 under this system, it should be the year things get going in the direction the staff wants it to, their handprints should be on the team/program moreso then the previous staff anymore.Their excuse window (or the fans excuse window) will be narrower to blame the previous staff for mishaps and failure.

 

Nebraska has an extremely tough schedule next year, but we were told Riley was brought here to win championships, and to win championships you have to win seasons with tough schedules. Regardless of how tough NU's schedule is next year, I think the expectations should remain high.

 

I'm not giving up on Riley, and think this upcoming season will be very telling of what he is capable of doing at Nebraska.

I think year 4 and beyond is where we find out what this staff will be doing for us. Riley seems to be planning for the future, and that is a strategy I don't disagree with but that means we aren't going to have any instant gratification.

Instant gratification?

 

I don't think that many of us expected conference championships and a payoff berth in the first two seasons.

 

But, with our favorable schedules and having the best talent in the division, competing for division titles and, at the very least, not getting blown out by Purdue and Iowa are not unreasonable expectations.

We had at least one improvement this year beyond our overall record.

Zero credit for having a better record than 2015. And it's still no better than the last coach.

 

We didn't get beat by Purdue again.

Another zero credit quote. But I guess it is an improvement for our current coach.

 

And we didn't get blown out the first time either.

It was 42-16 going into the 4th. That's a blowout. I realize you're big on garbage time points, both for this staff and for Crapahan's, but most that know football don't care about those garbage points.

 

That said, Purdue is like Iowa St imo, a doormat to wipe our feet on and we lost. We shall forever hang our heads in shame over that.

Wasn't that their first B1G win in 2 or 3 years? Didn't Hazel get fired?

 

That may well be the worst loss in program history.

Is it still a blowout if we end up winning after being down 42-16? Of course not, only the final score matters in cases like these. How many times in sports have we seen miracle comebacks? We were having one against Purdue, we just ran out of time. But if it makes you feel better to keep calling it a blowout, then by all means, have at it.

I don't believe in "garbage time" so how can I be big on "garbage time" points?

Iirc, against Kansas that same year there was a similar situation.

I call that garbage time. You?

Opponents used to do that against us back in the 80s and 90s, but of course we would be up by 40+ and our 4th, 5th, and 6th teamers were facing their 1sts and 2nds.

 

I don't know if that is the worst loss. The stakes weren't as high as say, 62-36 2001 NEB/CU or the B1G 2012 70-31 loss or this year's 62-3 curb stomp by tOSU

Those were good teams we got beat by. Purdue was not. That's like losing to Iowa St, or Kansas St.

I think we can agree to agree on this.

All bad losses, terrible actually.

That loss to Purdue sticks in my craw.

 

 

 

This team started off very hot at 7-0. Things were looking great, then came Wisconsin where we were shown we don't have the muscle to beat them. I was happy with Nebraska's performance in that game and the fact we had a chance to win it. The problem was we all knew the following week was a loss at Ohio State, and boy did it get bad. Then came Iowa, and now Tennessee.

 

After the great 7-0 start, Nebraska reverted back to their old ways. Beat the bad teams, lose to any team with a pulse, and lose badly on the big stage.

 

Next season will be very telling with this staff. It'll be year 3 under this system, it should be the year things get going in the direction the staff wants it to, their handprints should be on the team/program moreso then the previous staff anymore.Their excuse window (or the fans excuse window) will be narrower to blame the previous staff for mishaps and failure.

 

Nebraska has an extremely tough schedule next year, but we were told Riley was brought here to win championships, and to win championships you have to win seasons with tough schedules. Regardless of how tough NU's schedule is next year, I think the expectations should remain high.

 

I'm not giving up on Riley, and think this upcoming season will be very telling of what he is capable of doing at Nebraska.

I think year 4 and beyond is where we find out what this staff will be doing for us. Riley seems to be planning for the future, and that is a strategy I don't disagree with but that means we aren't going to have any instant gratification.

Instant gratification?

 

I don't think that many of us expected conference championships and a payoff berth in the first two seasons.

 

But, with our favorable schedules and having the best talent in the division, competing for division titles and, at the very least, not getting blown out by Purdue and Iowa are not unreasonable expectations.

We had at least one improvement this year beyond our overall record.

Zero credit for having a better record than 2015. And it's still no better than the last coach.

We didn't get beat by Purdue again.

Again zero credit. But I guess it is an improvement for our current coach.

And we didn't get blown out the first time either.

It was 42-16 going into the 4th. That's a blowout. I realize you're big on garbage time points, both for this staff and for Crapahan's, but most that know football don't care about those garbage points.

That said, Purdue is like Iowa St imo, a doormat to wipe our feet on and we lost. We shall forever hang our heads in shame over that.

Wasn't that their first B1G win in 2 or 3 years? Didn't Hazel get fired?

That may well be the worst loss in program history.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bottom line is, Eichorst will never fire Riley, because it would reflect negatively on him. In turn, Riley will never fire Banker due to his loyalty. So basically we're stuck until Riley's contract expires. I don't have any faith that we'll make a good hire when it's that time again, anyway.We need to shell out big time $ and go after some big time coaches. Heck I remember when I said we should pursue Petersen and people laughed and said he'd never leave Boise. Washington proved that you never know unless you try.

The new chancellor may fire Eichorst. If the sellout streak ends there will be consequences.

Why would he fire Eichorst? How has Eichorst failed in his job?

Well, he's fired two more successful coaches and endorsed two under-performing ones. So.....

For some of us, it's always been about more than just the W/L columns.

 

And you're smart enough to know that at least one of those coaches wasn't fired simply for his W/L record so why keep acting like he was?

OMG.

 

Steve Pederson agrees with you.

Funny thing about Steve Pedersen, he wasn't fired because he hired Callahan. He was fired because he was an a-hole to work for and had the entire AD in disarray. (paraphrashing again.)

To the bolded, you may want to revisit that time period.

Another tidbit about Steve, Osborne recommended him for the job. How 'bout them apples?

Was Osborne the chancellor? Or was the chancellor brainless and did whatever the Representative told him to do?

Ban cornstar now

Lol

Come back Bo!

(Sarcasm)

 

 

Nobody I worked for in college ever checked my grades. Sure Riley should check the grades, maybe require them all to live in a dorm on campus to enforce 10 pm lights out too.

If his job performance depends on it, he should be checking on the academic status of his players.

Riley's doesn't.

 

Maybe that explains his poor coaching record and his Nebraska team's under-performing.