timmytbro

Anyone see Iowa State beat TCU today? man if only Mike Riley had that ISU talent....

5 minutes ago, fire mike said:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21199029/university-florida-administrators-discussing-fire-coach-jim-mcelwain-following-claims-family-players-received-death-threats

 

McElwain looks to be out.

 

edit: s#!t, sorry.

This is such bullsh**. Why would Florida Fire this dude? he has taken Florida to two championship games in 2 years. this would be worse than firing Bo Pelini, and Frank Solich in my opinion. 

No thanks, Bohl is sort of old, and I think that Nebraska should go after Frost. Frost is young and if he is successful in Lincoln, there would be continuity for at least 25 years....

I don't think there would be as much patience for Bohl as there would be for Frost.

1 hour ago, Kiyoat Husker said:

 

 

 

Excellent points, guys.  You are starting to make this thread readable.  Too bad I had to read through the rest of it first.

 

Yea it is too bad, I don't think that people genuinely hate or dislike Mike Riley. I know from seeing him interview he seems like a real stand up guy. Bo was the antithesis of Riley.  Bo definitely did not embrace Nebraska. The stress of the job was too much for him to handle. He was very reluctant to hire competent coaches. Carl the coke head, Kaz the wife beater, John Papuchis yelling at fans at big red breakfast, Marv Sanders the philanderer, it was a strange cast to say the least. 

I think Riley's downfall is not so much of his fault. I think a good argument can be made  that Eichorst is more culpable for hiring a coach who was the wrong fit. Riley is a pro style likes to toss the ball around. That is not Nebraska football, and the AD should have known better.

I do admit I was a bit harsh on Riley. I do wish him the best, but I also don;t want him coaching this team next year...  

Just now, DrunkOffPunch said:

Outside of QB and LB, I disagree. Even then the depth at QB has me concerned.

 

What do you think will change in the last 5 games? 

I don't see anything changing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 07 type implosion to be honest. How cold you play defense for Nebraska and have confidence in Diaco? Shoot they make you play ten yards off the ball, and start people like Lamar Jackson who refuses to tackle. I just don't see anything changing, we might lose the remainder of our games.

25 minutes ago, Otterpop said:

So Iowa St. gets 1 big win and now their the measuring stick well see after this weekend. If I'm not mistaken didn't Riley beat Michigan St. the year they played for the bowl championship series. 

LOL no that wasn't my point, but I would argue that Nebraska usually has more talent on its teams than Michigan State.  Football is not just based on talent, talent can only take you so far, it is heart and determination that propels the talent to championship levels.

Example I would say that the Washington Capitols hockey team is as talented as the Pittsburgh Penguins, yet Pittsburgh always finds a way to win the Stanley cup. Why? I believe that Sidney Crosby is a natural leader and he knows how to win.  My point is, every team has talent,  shoot our 97 championship team starters mostly comprised f in state players. Heart and determination can accomplish great things.

Alright, lets see who can guess where this team ends up in wins and loses for the remaining games. 

Purdue:   L

Northwestern:   W

Minnesota:     W

Penn State:  L

Iowa:   L

7 minutes ago, Otterpop said:

The positives are we have better recruiting classes to build depth with. Did you look at our 2 deep depth chart we have very little from our juniors and seniors classes.

I agree the program is nowhere near where it should be but I also think the program was a lot worse off in the underclassmen when Pelini  was fired. 

I really believe last 5 games if you don't see progressed then I would be concerned. The Wisconsin game we played 3 quarters with them but the depth on Dline killed us in 4th quarter.The Ohio St. game we just don't have the talent to play with them yet . That's just being real. 

I would be disappointed if this was next year and this is where we are.

 

Lamar Jackson is playing horrible but if other guys were healthy I don't think he would be playing as much.

 

Frost is a good coach would probably be a great hire.But I also think Riley doesn't deserve the criticism that he's getting for the teams performance. The only game we should of one we didn't win that we should of is Northern Illinois.

I think next 5 games will tell more than last 2.

Oh I got ya, we don't have the talent... I guess Iowa State must have comparable talent  with Oklahoma. I wonder what Texas' problem is, the longhorns seem to be loaded with talent, but, yet we don't see texas lighting up.

5 minutes ago, Otterpop said:

Timmytbro have you ever coached at any level.It takes more than 2 yrs. Of recruits to rebuild a program but I'm sure you think it should be done the first year. The coach has to get his players that fit his system and build depth to compete. We have 3 seniors that add any help in our 2 deep depth chart.

Yea, lol Pee wee, but tat is not relevant... Year 3 we should be seeing some results that are positive, tell me what positive do you see in year 3?

We have true freshman start who are clearly not ready to play, Lamar Jackson, Jordan Stevenson.

We have the worst running game in the BIG.

We have a terrible defense.

Our QB is passing around 50% with a ton of ints.

We have been getting clobbered.

This is year 3, so what direction are we going under Riley?

23 minutes ago, Otterpop said:

If you guys think the kids in the Midwest are better players you're crazy . We have more talent in Northern California than the whole state of Nebraska does. That's part of your problem you guys think you can win in your 500 radius if that's what you recruit congrats on becoming Wyoming. The best players we have are from California or Texas. If you think freshmen are suppose to come tear it up get real. The biggest problem Nebraska has is a lot of their fans are stuck in the 90's.

No the problem is people accepting sh*t coaching and lack of player development. 

23 minutes ago, Otterpop said:

If you guys think the kids in the Midwest are better players you're crazy . We have more talent in Northern California than the whole state of Nebraska does. That's part of your problem you guys think you can win in your 500 radius if that's what you recruit congrats on becoming Wyoming. The best players we have are from California or Texas. If you think freshmen are suppose to come tear it up get real. The biggest problem Nebraska has is a lot of their fans are stuck in the 90's.

Stuck in the 90s because people don;t like getting pummeled by the entire BIG? get real dude

2 minutes ago, Dewiz said:

Kids need to start committing to the school rather than the coaches. Coaches come and go, just the way it is now.

especially coaches who lose 50% of their football games.

8 minutes ago, runningblind said:

I'd rather it dry up, the California kids have proven to be not as tough minded as Texas and Midwestern kids. I would rather get back to hitting those aread hard, and then some coastal speed, particularly from FL and the N. East.

 

The mindset is what is missing here, you haven't arrived already, you need to want to work to play.

I was just thinking the same thing.

https://www.landof10.com/nebraska/nebraska-making-huge-mistake-let-go-mike-riley-tristan-gebbias-dad-says

Apparently if Nebraska fires Riley the "calibraska" movement will die. This article was such a load of bull. I understand that players were recruited by Riley and Co. but it is not like their recruiting prowess is lighting up the college football world. If Riley continues to lose, recruiting will take a hit, so the way I see it, recruiting is going to be adversely effecting regardless if we keep Riley.

I don't want to knock on Gebbia's dad, he is obviously concerned about his kids future, but he should see the big picture, because with our O-line play, I worry about his kids future as well. Plus it is about team success, not the individual. 

1 hour ago, BoneyardHusker said:

I remember, and correct me if I am wrong, when Riley was hired we were told there was no rebuild. This was a guy who was going to arrive and start winning right away. Riley has been "rebuilding" for 3 years now and is telling us he needs 4-5 years to get things going.

Absolutely, SE even stated that our talent level was not reflecting its potential in the win loss category. I believe he said "we just didn't win the games that mattered the most." While I agree, I don't think that being 0-2 against Iowa and 1-1 against Purdue is what anyone had in mind when Riley was brought in...

7 minutes ago, FTW said:

 

We know just as much as Bill Moos regarding Riley's vision and plan. Which has been nothing. We don't even have an identity or anything to hang our hats on. And I agree, Riley sold everyone on what he told the media. That when we had TA he wasn't changing much on offense and was going to continue to run the football more.

 

Statistically, I think we ran better the past 2 seasons but now that he has his own QB, he's deviated from what worked in the first 2 seasons that brought 9 wins and a competitive albeit losing season his first year. After the UCLA bowl game, I had hoped that we would run a helluva lot more than we do now and MR led many to believe it by telling us that was his vision all along.

 

I said in a previous post how tired I am of hearing the staff say things but then through their actions we see an entirely different product on the field. The majority of the fan base has given up because they too can see through the BS a mile away. This staffs got no clue and are being led by a clueless CEO.

Totally agree, the UCLA game was a deceptive in many regards. I too had the belief that the game plan was an indication on where we were going as a team. I was very optimistic.  However as we have seen that did not come to fruition. The biggest concern is the lack of a more diverse run game. Never see a pitch, never see lineman pulling... It is line straight up and watch our O-line get handled. It is honestly very depleting to witness.

3 hours ago, KingBlank said:

Collins, Valentine, Gregory, Moss, Mcmullen, come on, remember Mike forced them out early.

I was not a fan of Pelini, but to say that he left Riley with a team void of talent is not true. Literally everyone listed above with the exception of Mcmullen was drafted in the NFL and plays, except Randy because he likes the ganja. 

Any short comings of this team has to be attributed to Riley at this point. It is year 3, the team play overall has regressed.  I don't know how this season will end, but I have a good feeling that this will occur

Wins: Minnesota, Northwestern. 

Loses: Purdue, Penn State, Iowa.

 My reasoning for placing the three loses is that Mike's teams seem to lack the ability to contend with teams who play physical and have comparable talent to us.

Purdue will outplay our lines, as will Iowa. Penn State we will see a bend don't break D get decimated. I expect to see our linebackers exposed all game long by Saquon Barkley matching up in the passing game. Lack of an efficient qb spy will lead to Mcsorley picking up 3rd downs with his feet. 

If Diaco had any sense  he would call a lot of man coverage, put J. Kalu back at CB in replace of Lamar Jackson, possibly bring in Marquel Dismuke to cover Saquon in the passing game. But I am sure it will be the usual disaster... Than it is an early Christmas and we hire Scott Frost.

1 minute ago, lo country said:

I always go back to Cory Raymond and the look at us and look at them quote after losing to USC (Carolina).  He also said the guys can't rest on the laurels of the likes of Amukamara and Gnomes.......

 

The guys need to earn the accolades, nit be given them.  Kalu might've been a great CB.  He's a miss at safety IMHO.  Meanwhile our top rated returning safety (K Williams) is third on the depth chart....A top rated safety in L Jax is a CB.....

 

I do like that Diaco is developing depth and doesn't throw the kids under the bus...

 

 

Yea, I just don;t understand what good it does by telling the players how great they are when they have not earned any of that. It seems that what the players need is to be brought back to reality. 

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/practice-report-oct-bob-diaco-says-nebraska-working-toward-best/article_33b4d010-b912-11e7-b178-5bda96e50056.html

This is the stuff that is plaguing Nebraska football. Diaco says Nebraska will have the best defense in the country, it just will take time.

All we hear is talk, we don't see action just talk. Talk is cheap. Who cares what a person says, it is the actions that speak volumes of a person and a teams character.

We heard Kalu will be the best safety in the country, we heard Lamar Jackson say he turned a page.... The problem is these players are told how great they are without even doing anything to show they deserve these titles. How about praising your team after they do something good, not after getting destroyed the last three weeks.... 

7 minutes ago, Isle of View said:

Wow.  You must think Riley is an even worse coach than I do if you think a bunch of keyboard jockeys can so easily affect his results.  Or were you just joking?  If so, good one.  You got me!

lol

48 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Dang...ISU is only getting 6 at home vs TCU...Campbell has done a great job

Must be all that superior talent ISU has been raking in. lol it cannot be coaching right Mike Riley? lol

1 hour ago, junior4949 said:

 

My guess is that Campbell sees ISU as an opportunity to vault him to a much better gig than Nebraska.  If Campbell can win at Iowa State, he'll have the USC's, UCLA's, etc. coming after him.

hahaha UCLA? are you for rel? what makes UCLA so appealing? little brother to USC, no where near the tradition as Nebraska. 

4 minutes ago, skersfan said:

I am not arguing your points, but we have had a lot of OC's here and I do not recall this board ever endorsing a single one of them.  One of them was hand chosen by Coach Osborne, and it seems a couple of them have moved on to other teams and done quite well. 

 

I just hope what ever happens in the next couple of months, is exactly what we need.  I don't have a lot of years to wait to see a great team again.  Reality, stand the whole game, go blue hair, set and watch the game and die.  Most of you are just kids, I can not imagine not getting to see Nebraska in the 70-90's, but hoping you get to see something similar in the next 10 years.

hahah Tim Beck? have you seen Texas's offense? how about how he was run out of Ohio Sate? 

Shawn Watson? he did pretty bad at Texas too, he had a good year at Louisville but they Teddy Bridgwater playing QB, so I think Teddy gets most the credibility.

If Riley wanted to rebuild this thing he needed to start laying the foundation in year 1. He could have done this by hiring a different defensive coordinator than his friend, and he should have gone out and hired a top notch offensive coordinator. And the play calling is pretty bad as well.

4 minutes ago, skersfan said:

I have a serious question and I don't want to start another thread.

 

I start this by saying most that have been on this site for the 12 years, know that I was the absolute first to say Bo had no business at Nebraska, before he even took the job.  He is a person that I do not like, or have any use for in any way.  And my reasons come from when he left the first time.  And I stated it way too many times when he was hero here.

 

I admit I am very supportive of Coach Riley, I hate it that he did not do what we needed, but still have this faint glimmer of hope that he might.  The next 5 games will answer that.  I expect to be routed by Penn State.  The others, who knows?   Not saying he should be retained either.  We need to be better

 

I am wondering this and possibly some can answer it.  Some say, not me, that Coach Riley is getting close, that he has players in the Freshman, Red Shirt Freshman and Sophomore classes that are very good and seeing the field.  I am not sure if that is true or not. 

 

My question is, how many of the Seniors and Juniors of Coach Pelini recruits are on the field, actually seeing playing time?  Not a dig at either, but it appears we have some very good young players on the field and are doing well.  It seems to me we have few seniors on the field and haven't for quite a while.  I know we have not put many in the NFL the last few years.

 

As to the culture of losing, I don't see that in the kids.  I see them trying to the very end, but exhausted, due to lack of rotation, or lack of talent to rotate.

 

Where am I wrong in my observations.

 

I have been a Husker fan for over 60 years, and it hurts to see them going thru what they are now.  I have seen the bad, the better, the Devaney years, the we need a coach that can win the big one, we need a coach that can beat Oklahoma, a coach that can beat a Florida school,  other teams besides the little sisters of the Big 8.  We need to get rid of Osborne, Solich, Calahan, Pelini and now Riley.  So I didn't just show up yesterday,  I try to support the Head Coach as long as he is (Other than Pelini) and will for as long as I live.  But I don't dream of NC, I would just love to see Nebraska return to being respectable, I have not seen that level of play/coaching since Solich was fired.

 

 

Man I would love to answer this. 

I agree with you Bo was a bad fit, but so is Riley. 

What concerns me about Riley is we don't seem to play fundamentally sound football. The tackling is not good, players are allowed to stay in the game after making mistake after mistake, i.e. T. Lee pick sixes. And Riley plays true freshmen who are not game ready. Lamar Jackson, Jordan Stevenson. He has fired a D cordinator, and a special teams coach and a  D line coach. These coaches should have never been here in the first place.

We have very few freshmen who seem like bright spots in all honesty, J.D. Speilman is an exception, not the rule. We don't have good top talent running backs, and our offensive line play is atrocious. 

While I understand what you are getting at, I still find it egregious to see that Nebraska is an underdog to Purdue. 

Year 3 of a coaching regime at Nebraska should not be going into Purdue on underdog. Although people accept that we are just not that good right now, I refuse to accept this as the standard of Nebraska football.