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2 hours ago, NM11046 said:
And we should acknowledge that this is being driving in a large part by groups outside of the democratic party. Russias involvement in pro-Gabbard initiatives for instance is significant. People need to continue to do their own research and fact finding and not get caught up in the accusations. without merit.
Do you have any evidence for Russia's involvement with Tulsi's campaign?
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7 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:
Hillary supported a public option, which is not about profit, because it would be funded by the government.
This is just factually incorrect.
This is about as non-committal as it gets!
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Cool... been to Vienna and Linz.
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7 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:
Hillary supported a public option, which is not about profit, because it would be funded by the government.
Please provide a cite for this.
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4 hours ago, LumberJackSker said:
Not sure if true or not but it looks like the kurds have had to side with assad and trumps daddy putin. Syria government troops will enter and deploy to the turkish border. Anyone still think Trump isn't a russian stooge?
Syrian Kurdish leader says deal reached with Damascus and Moscow
Turkey Warns Of War As Syrian Army Heads To Turkish Border
Esper says U.S. staying in Syria, but withdrawing south of Turkish advance and deal in works to have Russians protect Kurds
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4 hours ago, LumberJackSker said:
Probably hard to set up a no fly zone when a lot of the planes that would enforce it are based in the country committing the war crimes. Trump is the ultimate f#&% up.
That would be Eisenhower's fault, who was president when Incirlik Air base was opened as a joint use base.
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1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:
Well, I’m about to leave for Europe for about 10 days.
this is going to be interesting.Which countries?
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2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:
My comment was more about the attitude behind it than wanting a progressive candidate. The whole....”fight against the center....” attitude.
The "fight against the center" is against centrists who epitomize the similar corporate values of both major parties.
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3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:
Yeah....I was blocked around page 11 or 12.
Question.....
do you really think anyone gives a rip?
this says more about you than who you’re blocking.
I don't give a f#&% what you or anyone else thinks, but I do answer questions when asked (as you did).
If you don't give a rip (whatever that means), then don't ask.
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1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:
You said you blocked me. You didn’t?
interesting.
That was a while back, sometimes I block for a moment to diffuse disagreement, then unblock.
I may unblock the three on my list in a day or so.
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1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:
Am I the only one who finds it funny that Elizabeth Warren hasn’t thought about Native American issues?
I believe that only one 2020 candidate was with the Native American water protectors at Standing Rock.
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1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:
At this rate, Apsu will be having a conversation all by himself.
eventually he will block himself.I have blocked three people, none of which were interested in civil conversation.
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3 hours ago, funhusker said:
My gif was a reaction to your comment about healthcare. I understand HRC wasn’t for M4A, but she would have at least tried to keep the ACA as a status quo.
Trump has done everything possible to gut the ACA and make it worse than it already was. Not to mention begging for legislation that would give more authority to private insurers and providers. John McCain with his “thumb down” ring a bell?
Im not LOLing at your M4A belief. Just that you thought Trump got us closer to healthcare availability for all individuals than Clinton would have.
Right, Hillary was about ACA status quo, and Trump is about death through medical bankruptcy. While he is a monster on healthcare, she is all about the profit margin. While he is much worse here, she was expected to be worse on militarism. All and all on those two items, it's pretty much a wash. But I am happy to have the illusion of a choice in 2020. -
2 minutes ago, teachercd said:
Yeah, I think that is a fair point.
Reading through the disagreements in the discussions in this folder is tame compared to the football folder. At least in politics we get to vote after pretending to be smarter than Scott Frost (which I am not). And like in the football folder, people just want to vent at the system. We all see that it is broken, but how to fix it has a million different solutions. And sometimes we just can't understand how others don't see the obvious solution as we do. All we can do is present our ideas on politicians and policies here, as we do on personnel and play calling there, and hopefully realize that what we see and value may not be what others see and value.
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how many people who disagree with you have you blocked so far?
8 hours ago, teachercd said:While I agree blocking people is lame...don't forget that you have refused to answer questions. So...It is pretty much the same.
With that said, blocking is super freaking sad.
It is lame to block people just because they disagree with you.
However it is prudent when they have no interest in honest discussion.
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2 hours ago, funhusker said:
By your response, it looks like you disagree.
But instead a silly gif; can you explain why you believe that Hillary was less warlike, and how she showed any support whatsoever for single payer or medicare for all?
QuoteBy progress, he sucked less on those specific issues less than was expected of her.
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Bye Moiraine, I am blocking you.
You have no interest in discussion, only pointless argument.
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12 hours ago, funhusker said:
I’m starting to understand. Thanks for the discussion.
I’m sure we disagree on a lot of policies. I mostly relate to the Traditional DNC or Republicans like Kasich: “centrist” I guess...
I’m fine with “progressives” using the DNC as a vehicle for pushing ideas, some might be good. Primaries are a great place for the parties to react to changes in the base. But I wholeheartedly disagree with the idea of taking your voice out of the general election just because a candidate doesn’t check all your boxes. And then being fine letting a candidate you know is worse for progressive beliefs take the office to prove some kind of moral point.
Most people can't understand those who do not subscribe to one of the two party lines. Unfortunately we have a two party system where your choice are one of the two evils, a protest vote for a third party, or to stay at home. Since American voter turnout is low, it seems that a near majority often picks the latter.
Many people blame progressives who did not vote for Hillary as being idealistic purists. Others say as you did, that "a candidate doesn’t check all your boxes". Well, Hillary did not check any of my major boxes. Neither did Trump, other than opposing TPP and TPIP. And as I said many times before, with both candidates really sucking (like our performance today vs Minnesota), that the most important thing for me was to hope for a progressive alternative in 2020. And that sure as heck would not be from the Republicans.
That was not an attempt at a moral point, it was 100% calculated pragmatism.
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5 hours ago, Moiraine said:
Let me know when I use MSNBC as a source. I've probably watched 5 minutes of MSNBC since its creation, and have maybe looked at their website for total of 10 minutes. CNN isn't an ideal news source but they are not radical left.
I asked you a question, and you ducked it with a non-answer.
What source did i use that is alt-right?
What sources are acceptable to you?
And I never mentioned that you did watch MSNBC.
Ar right about CNN, they are nor radical left. They are corporate left.
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16 hours ago, funhusker said:
True. And Trump definitely made progress there
Trump sucked less on those specific issues than was expected of Hillary.
QuoteWhat most all on the left here failed to understand, is that progressives did not view Hillary as "nothing special".
Speaking for myself; my two most important issues are (1) ending our state of constant warfare, and (2) implementing single payer medicare for all.
1) Hillary was seen as more warlike than Trump. And as bad as he is, things could be a lot worse.
2) Hillary was firm;y set on for profit health care, and their would not have been any reform.
And then there were the twin disasters known as TPP and TPIP that she supported.
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5 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:
You posted a story from a Russian-owned news service's Ukraine branch to support your call to investigate Biden in this very thread.
That does not make Interfax Ukraine "alt-right", nor RT or Sputnik.
And as I asked... "Can you name a better source from Ukraine?"
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4 hours ago, LumberJackSker said:
Turkey has no business being in a western military alliance as long as Erdogan is in power.
The objective is to keep Turkey in the military alliance (but not the EU), and to distance them as far as possible from Russia and Iran.
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4 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:
@Apsu We disagree on a lot of fundamental stuff, but I find that's the case with myself and a lot of progressives. I hold a lot of progressive ideals, but I also disagree a lot with the current leftist consensus. I guess I'm kind of a bit of an odd liberal, in a lot of ways.
The bolded is where you lose me. I think you're just completely misguided and overconfident if you think beating Trump simply requires nominating a progressive. TBH I'd disagree that Bernie would easily have beat Trump in 2016, even though it's easy to look back and say anyone would have been better than Clinton. If you recall, Bernie & Trump in the general was rumored to have prompted Bloomberg to jump in as a third-party centrist ala Ross Perot. IMO that situation winds up with no one getting to 270 and the Republican House sure wasn't going to pick Sanders over Trump or Bloomberg. They'd have to pick Trump or their base would've revolted.
That's fine, I don't expect that I will be in agreement with everyone.
As long as we can respectfully disagree while understanding the other's values, we'll get along fine.
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Just now, funhusker said:
This was kind of my point, and what confuses me. Four years of “anal warts” is better than 8 years of nothing special?
What most all on the left here failed to understand, is that progressives did not view Hillary as "nothing special".
Speaking for myself; my two most important issues are (1) ending our state of constant warfare, and (2) implementing single payer medicare for all.
1) Hillary was seen as more warlike than Trump. And as bad as he is, things could be a lot worse.
2) Hillary was firm;y set on for profit health care, and their would not have been any reform.
And then there were the twin disasters known as TPP and TPIP that she supported.
The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election
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f#&% this s#!t, I am out of here.
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