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23 minutes ago, Danimal said:

If we're going with a guy of questionable resume I also would rather go with Mickey

Well, I guess you want Mickey then because every realistic candidate has a questionable resume.

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When it comes to bringing kids to Nebraska I think he'd do fairly comparably to Neon.

Simple common sense would say otherwise. Hypothetically, you're a big time recruit and you have time for one meeting...Deion Sanders or Mickey Joseph. 99% of kids are taking Deion's meeting. Sorry, but to think otherwise is just reaching.

3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I doubt that very seriously....unless you're just talking about lists and speculation from fans that really don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

 

I doubt they are at the top of Trev's list.  And, that's the only one that matters.

Yes, talking about lists and speculation from fans, which is what this entire thread is. No question Urban and Deion have as good (or better) resumes as other names being discussed, and both seem as available (or more) as other names being discussed. So, they are undoubtedly two of the top candidates which will be discussed by fans on message boards.

As far as being two of Trev's top choices, I have no idea who those are. Apparently nobody does. It's as likely to include Meyer and Sanders as it is to include Campbell and Joseph.

20 minutes ago, desertshox said:

So we are talking about who may nor want to coach again (national reporter has tweeted about it) and a coach who has 3 yrs at an fcs school and 7 yrs ( guesstimating based off of wiki) as his entire resume of coaching experience? These are our best, well only according to some, options at being any good again? Going off memory here, the 5* coach prime pulled got a 6 or 7 figure NIL deal, so are "our" collectives going to be forking out 40-50 million a year to keep the recruits coming to Lincoln and staying? Or is coach prime's name and resume good enough to bring them? I haven't seen a list, nor tried looking for one, of players he' put in the league so what exactly is coach prime going to be selling this young men on? As for urban, yes he has great name recognition but he also has some public events that other coaches will use against him. It isn't just what he is selling, it is what the other coaches are selling. So those kids he's trying to bring in will be reminded of his nfl experience (referring to his kicker bestie) and at the same time they'll be selling kids they put in the league and their school is closer.

 

I get both urban and coach prime are attractive names but they still have unknowns attaches to them just like every other choice.

Yeah, I haven't denied both Urban's and Deion's question marks. They each have them just like every other choice. I'm simply pointing out that they are two of the top candidates (among several others), so they are going to be discussed, both here and outside of here.

7 minutes ago, Hayseed said:

This is creative way for a couple guys and a sock puppet to keep a thread going.

Are we still talking about Urban or Sanders coming here?

A couple guys are keeping a 311 page thread going?

And yes, two of the top candidates are going to get talked about in the new coach thread. Deal with it.

For someone with over 5K posts, you sure don't have a very good understanding of how things work.

21 minutes ago, Crusader Husker said:

I think either of them would do fine.  I don't really believe that Prime would leave the South.  There is still a perception that no one can recruit to Nebraska.  I don't see him wanting anything to do with the buttoned up atmosphere of the B1G or the Huskers.  I really enjoyed watching him as a player.  I think it would be interesting to see him as a coach here.  I just don't think he would even consider it.

 

Urb, if he ever coaches again, would want a place surrounded by recruits.  I think they only place he would consider in the North at this point would be ND because it is a national brand.

 

I think these two guys would be reaches.  I am not sure if Trev would even consider Prime.  

Sorry, but I just don't see it that way. I do think one question mark to Deion coming is the whole getting him out of the South thing. I think Deion thinks he's ready to make the jump to the next level and that's definitely what he wants to do. If we're the best P5 offering, a blue blood with top resources, I don't see him turning it down. He's spent plenty of time in the North throughout his career. And he's handled plenty of "buttoned up atmospheres" throughout his career.

On Urban, yes the one question mark to him coming is whether he wants to coach again which I don't think anyone really knows. But again, I think NU will be the best team offering if he does want to. ND isn't firing Freeman yet. The way Urban was pandering to us when OU was in town, it almost sounded like he was interviewing for the job. Hell, he was selling the program better than we have.

9 hours ago, Crusader Husker said:

I think there is zero chance either Urb or Prime would take the job if offered.  Could I be wrong??  Sure, but I think there are plenty of good candidates out there that would take the job.

Based on what? Just curious. Or is this just a creative way of saying "I don't want either of those guys"

5 hours ago, chamrocck said:

The recruiting and attention alone to NU would put us into a different realm instantly. I like Mickey and really hope we retain him. But Deion makes us an instant destination and puts Nebraska back on national map. It would give us a big advantage to compete against the big dawgs of the B1G. Who wouldn’t want to see Prime take on USC and OSU!

 

Guaranteed prediction. We hire Mickey and it’s the 3rd headline on the NCAA section of ESPN “Huskers take interim tag off of Joseph”.

If we hire Sanders it is the #1 story in all of sports “Huskers go all in on Sanders, 3 ESPN Top 100 commit to Coach Prime”. It is the headline, Game Day comes, Big Noon comes, multiple national articles and attention to bring players to Lincoln. Especially if Joseph stays, this is a no brainer. I have no idea of Sanders interest but this is an opportunity to become relevant fast and with a focus on good development coaches there is a ton of momentum. College football is very much about who has the best players and this would allow us a lot of access to be in those discussions and get our fair share of top players. I’d also argue Deion is one of a small few who gives us a “national recruiting presence” and not relegate us to border states. We HAVE to have this as the B1G is essentially a national mini pro league. You need a dynamic leader to advocate for your program. Prime walks into a home and he is more well known than Kirby Smart, Lincoln Riley, and Ryan Day.  Instant advantage.

This guy gets it ^

6 hours ago, Stone Cold said:

Serious question, do you think Deion could bring that much of a recruiting push here that quickly.  Do you think Deion walks in to someones front room 5 star.  Someone who Alabame, Georgia, and USC are drooling over  And he say  Im bloody Deion Sanders, come to nebraska.  Do it for your people, or something like that.  Come to the middle of the country and we can win a natty.  Tell you what, i will buy a motorcycle if deion is our next coach.  I dont have a problem with deion i just dont think he has reason to go to the middle of no where to start over.  Thats just one guys opinion.  

Serious answer...ABSOLUTELY!

What would make anyone think otherwise? He's doing it at Jackson State, a crappy FCS school that hadn't had a winning record in a decade located in a 3rd world s#!thole of a city. Why wouldn't he be able to do it at a blue blood with our resources?

6 hours ago, Hayseed said:

Your comment is laughable, whoever you are. He's recruiting to a concept that doesn't exist here. He'll probably get a gig in the southeast and most likely struggle against equal competition. Those schools have former players too.

Wow, you were being serious. That "concept" existed before and outside of Deion. Yet, Deion has been the first and only one who has been able to capitalize on it. Why? Because he's Deion f#&%ing Sanders. If you don't know that Deion would be an instant improvement to recruiting and that he's got a much better resume than Mickey, then you're probably not even worth arguing with. Do you live under a rock or something?

7 hours ago, Hayseed said:

Deion Sanders recruited a top player away from Alabama by convincing him to "play for his people" at an HBCU against other HBCUs. Doing that and playing against that competition has very little correlation to coaching a P5 team. There's no guarantee he can recruit anyone to Nebraska any better than another coach can.
Given the choice between Sanders and Joseph, I'm sticking with Joseph.

Can't tell if this is sarcasm, trolling, or just one of the worst takes on this whole thread (which is saying a lot). Holy crap.

43 minutes ago, hunnit said:

I think the experience thing is a weak excuse. Deions years of playing football at a high level winning Superbowls and national championships has to count for something.

Plus 10+ years working for the NFL network. Dude has probably forgotten more about football than a lot of guys have ever known.

28 minutes ago, Enhance said:

I think we all know the chances of them hiring Mickey are quite low at this point.

 

In Deion's case, his lack of P5 coaching experience (even as a coordinator) is a reasonable and glaring weakness in his resume. A lot of coaches say the right things and look good on camera until you ask them to beat Michigan on the road or Ohio State in a conference championship game. There isn't a lot of evidence to suggest Deion is qualified or capable of handling either of those challenges, but I look forward to seeing him get a shot at another division one school in the near future.

Well, aside from Urban (who has his own set of weaknesses), name a coach who’s any more guaranteed to be at that level than Deion is. You can certainly point to his lack of P5 experience as his weakness, I’m not arguing he doesn’t have that. But, you have to also look at the other things he brings to the table as strengths that can offset that. I mean, let’s just take Leipold as an example. Deion’s a better recruiter by a landslide. So, you’re willing to say that a guy like Leipold and his 1.5 years experience at a P5 with pretty bad recruiting results is better than Deion’s 2.5 years at a non P5 with phenomenal recruiting results? All the names have weaknesses.

8 minutes ago, Enhance said:

Nebraska choosing to hire someone other than Deion Sanders will have very little to do with "guts."

 

It will, however, have a lot to do with his complete lack of Power 5 coaching experience.

Not if they hire Mickey.

12 minutes ago, hunnit said:

Deion Sanders will be the best hire since Frank Solich. 

 

The biggest complaints I've heard for years from die hard fans is we can't recruit and there needs to be a culture change. Deion Sanders answers both of those. If Deion can get a 5* to JSU what do you think he can get to Lincoln.

 

 

"Ochaun Mathis: Nebraska has 'a losing culture going on' that must be addressed"

 

https://youtu.be/XdlfEhR7jl8

 

"Jackson State coach Deion Sanders flipped the nation's No. 1 overall recruit Travis Hunter to JSU--from Sanders' alma mater, Florida State."

 

Nobody was screaming "we need power 5 experience" when Scott  got hired. Frost had ONE winning season and that was good enough for y'all.  How much power 5 experience did bo have?

 

Deion Sanders isn't proven but 17-12 Dave Aranda, with 2 full seasons of experience, is a smash hire. A 58% winning percentage ain't good enough for Nebraska. We all know that. This guy can't even recruit. 

 

I'm a big fan of the huskers but I can't watch these train wrecks every weekend. A cb gets 3 pi's in a quarter and doesn't get benched. Blown coverages, blown tackles, missed blocks, dropped passes, terrible passes it's just non stop disappointment. 

 

Great clip. Seems like he’d be a perfect fit to me.

3 minutes ago, husker009 said:

Do the experiment hires ever get old to anyone else on this board? The experiment hires have been going on for 20 years dating back to Callahan and the program has made zero progress and taken several steps back. Get a proven power five coach or firing Frost was meaningless. This program is considered a blue blood and it is long past time to start acting like it by swinging for the fences when it comes to hires. There is a lot going for this job, from the facilities, booster support, fan support, and the giant Big Ten TV deal coming up. Do not settle for Mickey because he beat Purdue and Rutgers. He would simply be another experiment hire and this program must not accept that going forward. 

He lost to Purdue. But your point stands.

21 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

Also Gus did not have Newton. He was gone before he got there. Chizik had Newton, went undefeated, then went 8-5 then 3-9 and got fired. Malzahn took over after that. I wont defend Mack f#&% that guy

Oh, right...that's who I meant. Chizik. 8-5, 14-0, 8-5, 3-9 and the one 14-0 year was with transcendent quarterback $cam Newton. Good catch.

20 minutes ago, sho said:

 

I'd cross Gus and Mack off that list, both have done well outside of the years they had amazing QBs.  When they had amazing QBs, they won NCs, other years they are still competing for conference championships.   And with the expanded playoffs looming, that means they would be/will be competing for playoffs.   Jimbo and Charlie hold true.   Time will tell on Heupel

Mack Brown won 2 conference titles in 16 years at UT. Gus won 1 in 8 years at Auburn.

1 hour ago, Stone Cold said:

This is really sad to hear, there is still alot of that back edged racism going around.  Thought we would of moved on and been better about that.  I was just telling my co worker im not a big fan of mickys flash suit and larger than normal gold chain but who am i to judge someone by how they look.  Hell we had the perfect back country truck driving chew spittin coach here and he was just a hot mess apparently.  So who cares what someone dresses like as long as they treat the kids well and dont make the university look bad.  To each there own.

Yeah, I mean, I just kind of assume that the less a dude looks like me, the more likely he probably is to relate to kids through coaching and recruiting these days 

Mickey and Deion’s “looks” are positives, not negatives in my book.

21 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

I just have to say if Trev is making his decision based on what the racist population of fans think then I don't want him making the decision. I'm not saying he is I'm just saying the hypothetical. 

Given the fact that he currently has a black head coach, I'm guessing race won't be a factor.

8 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Let’s see Heupel w/o Hooker.  Having a transcendent QB masks A LOT of shortcomings.  See Orgeron, Ed.

 

And I also agree hiring a coach is a complete crapshoot.

So true...

Jimbo with Jameis Winston

Malzahn with Cam Newton

Charlie Strong with Teddy Bridgewater

Mack Brown with Vince Young

Just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more.

32 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

The cultural fit isn't a knock on Deion.  It's a statement of the demographics and attitude of a lot of Nebraska residents.

Yeah, well, how's that been working out for us? Maybe it's time we change the culture.

8 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I watched the interview.  I still don't think a large portion of Nebraska would "approve" of Deion.

Yeah that's an extra "overtime" clip separate from the interview where he addresses "old school mentality"...dress code for players and why it's important, how he dresses and why, etc.

1 hour ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Yeah, I know Deion does those things and he also has an "old-school approach".  But, given his race and his history as a player, and the fact he demands to be called "Coach Prime" doesn't exactly make me think he will be welcomed with open arms by a huge chunk of the state.

More on that here...

1 hour ago, Danimal said:

He built a conference champ at Bowling Green then after inheriting a garbage team at a VERY tough place to win at he's managed to build a winner at Wake Forest. You don't win in football at Wake unless you're a quality coach. 

Yeah, no I wasn't saying I don't like him for that reason, just speculating as to why he's not talked about more here. Honestly, it's probably just because he's not very close to Nebraska. Joe blow fans tend to focus on what is comfortable/known/nearby/familiar, hence all the talk about Campbell and Leipold.

2 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I watched that interview last night, and yes he’s doing some great things down at Jackson. It will be interesting if he gets any looks from Power 5 schools. Unfortunately, Deion would be a terrible cultural fit with the State of Nebraska, and that’s not a knock on Deion. 

I don't know...guy who mows the grass at the school himself and has an old-school approach to coaching with an emphasis on hard work seems like a good cultural fit to me