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4 minutes ago, gorp512 said:

The idea of Deion Sanders in a recruit's living room in a farm house in the panhandle is inspiring 

Hahaha Yeah, because the farm houses in the panhandle are loaded with 5 star recruits.

3 minutes ago, Ulty said:

I like what Deion is doing as a coach, but his sales pitch to good recruits at Jackson St is different (and more effective) than what he would be able to sell at Nebraska. At Jackson St he is able to sell a quality education at an HBCU with tight-knit community and a supportive environment for black players, which is very different than recruiting at a P5 school. Add in the cool flashiness of playing for Prime Time, and the availability of NIL money even at a lower division, and he has a recipe for recruiting success. I have a hard time seeing him be able to sell the same concepts at a school like Nebraska.

He’s Deion effin Sanders. He’s getting into any living room he wants to get in, anywhere in the country. And literally everything he can sell at Jackson State (minus the all black thing) he can sell at Nebraska x100.

2 minutes ago, C-4 said:

Yeah, Sanders is doing great and is at a college he wants to be at for Bob-football purposes. Why would he want to come here?

 

Same with Urban, why would he want to come here? You want to know a better job for him? Nearly any that will be open. We have a strikingly bad setup: large spotlight, gift expectations, starting with care cupboards with less than ideal resources.

 

calling these two celebrities isn’t to demean them, it’s to highlight how some fans are going about this search. It’d be similar to asking for Saban. Big name, obviously great coach, but not realistic and only brought up because they’re well known.

 

It seems there’s a good chance we could not even sway Lance from freaking Kansas if we wanted to.

Not even remotely close to asking for Saban. He's set at Alabama.

Urban isn't coaching and if he wants to coach again, there's not a better job in the country.

Deion is coaching in the SWAC and living in Jackson, Mississippi where they barely have indoor plumbing. He's on record as wanting to coach at a higher level.

Nebraska is one of a handful of blue blood football program and highly likely to be the only one with a head coaching opening this year. We don't have any less than ideal resources or any higher expectations than any other blue blood program. Guys like Urban and Deion understand and thrive in that kind of environment.

1 minute ago, Slow yer Roll said:

I would rather float in the black abyss of failure.......for eternity.......than have to look at a grown a$$ middle aged man wearing a flat brim hat.

And you, sir, are part of the problem. Summed it up perfectly.

26 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

A) Lots of coaches "could" kill it here.  Frost "could" have but he didn't.  Deion is a win the press conference type of hire - exactly what TA said he wasn't going to do.  Not happening, period.  

You need to research Deion a little closer. He's much more than a "win the press conference type of hire." He's pulling in 4 and 5 star recruits to Jackson State. That place is a third world hellhole. He's working the hell out of the NIL deal there and, by all accounts, he's assembled an amazing staff. He's been a legit candidate at a few P5 schools and reportedly interviewed extremely well. He was named SWAC Coach of the Year last year. Plus, oh by the way, he has Jackson State winning for the first time in forever.

That said, you're right that it's probably not happening. Old, stiff, white, set-in-our-ways fans can't handle a dude at the podium in a backward visor with a giant "PRIME" necklace on. Recruits would love it and flock from all over to play for him, but it would make fans and admin squirmy. So, I guess that makes him kind of the opposite of a "win the press conference type of hire." So, maybe there's a chance. 

23 minutes ago, C-4 said:

I know this is a joke, but: this coaching hire isn’t a celebrity wanted ad.

Sanders is a great fit at Jackson St and there’s not much here for him. Urban has been an elite college coach but any critical thinking can tell you that isn’t what Trev wants and Urban will have jobs that are better fits for him.

Your post is an even bigger joke than the original post...which is saying something.

A) Deion could kill it here and is exactly what Nebraska needs. He's much more than just a celebrity. He's punching way above his weight at Jackson State.

B) "Urban will have jobs that are better fits for him?" Name one.

41 minutes ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

https://lastwordonsports.com/collegefootball/2020/03/06/top-25-college-football-blue-bloods/ I know its out dated not by much but you get the point!!! 

Should have ended the list around 12-14. Probably more like 10. Some of those from 15-25 are a joke. aTm? 

14 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

I didn't want to spin up a new thread tho perhaps this topic warrants it.  I think a big factor in the coaching search, along with the actual coaching pool we're pulling from, is who we're going up against.  Those saying we shoulda canned frosty last year are forgetting we probably would've been 6th-10th on the list of school openings, making the competition for coaches extremely tough.

 

While its still very early, I am optimistic that our competition this year is actually very favorable.  The only job I could forsee that would immediately be more attractive than us would be when the Auburn job becomes available.

 

Do any others come to mind?  While a&M seems to have the potential of imploding based off their start, I do not see Jimbo getting the axe given his extension.  What other major programs do you see us going up against?

 

Couple that might happen/we know of already:

UCLA if they boot Chip

While highly unlikely, ND moving away from Marcus Freeman if they nose dive (Cal is not a good team)

Auburn- almost canned their coach last year, weird storylines surrounding that situation

Arizona State- Frankly, I don't think we need to be concerned here.  Have a hard time seeing any high caliber coach going to the Pac12 against USC and the unknown future conf security

Wisconsin- Is there a mutual exit of Christ and Wisc if they fall apart?  While theres been success, it seems like this pairing has had a weird element to it at times

Funny I was just talking about this with someone. To put the shoe on the other foot, so to speak, if I'm Urban Meyer, NU is by far my best option and it's not really even close. Maybe I'm just being a homer, but none of the rest of that list does anything for me. There's not a blue blood in the bunch. Auburn? He wouldn't even have the best program in the state, let alone the SEC. Same with UCLA. ND isn't bailing on Freeman after just one year. aTm isn't bailing on Fisher yet, they'd have to pay him a gazillion dollars and his best players are all freshmen. Wisconsin and Arizona State? Meh. 

45 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

Then I'd say Les Miles or Mark Richt or Dan Mullen.

Wait, are you using those 3 as a reason for an up-and-comer position coach/G5 head coach? Or against? I can't even follow your argument anymore.

53 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

The only issue is that is pretty easily debunked since Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, Baylor, and Oklahoma 2x, have all hired a position coach and had success. Oregon seems be back on track with a position coach and Tennessee, Ole miss, and maybe Florida are on the way with g5 coaches. A&M went and hired the sure thing and they could probably have had more success with an easier schedule but also they just lost to app state. 

Okay, now do all the position coaches and G5 coaches that teams have missed on. I'll hang up and listen.

42 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Does getting close to 60 make it ok to kick a player or look the other way when your assistant coach is acting completely out of line?

31 minutes ago, Jason Sitoke said:

To be fair, it was a kicker…who’s arguably a player. 

Yeah, I mean, who among us hasn't wanted to kick a kicker from time-to-time? Or at least a punter. Most of us just aren't ever in a position to act on that perfectly normal impulse.

7 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

That's the best way for us to guarantee that we will continue to struggle - being too chickens#!t scared with PTSD to take a chance.

 

Bob Stoops was an if/maybe for OU.

 

Kirby Smart was an if/maybe for UGA.

 

Saban was an if/maybe for LSU.

 

Dabo was an if/maybe for Clemson.

 

Luke Fickell, Ryan Day, PJ Fleck, Lincoln Riley, the list goes on and on.

No it doesn't. The list is extremely short compared to all the if/maybes that don't hit.

And PJ Fleck? You serious? Exhibit A of how short that list really is if you're having to include PJ Fleck to make your point.

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Except for all the times they aren't in coaching, which is....all the time.

 

Rich Rod at WVU compared to Michigan and everywhere else.

 

Dan Hawkins at Boise and then CU compared to Chris Petersen at Boise and then Washington

 

Mack Brown at Texas compared to Mack Brown at USC 

 

Les Miles at Okie State compared to Les Miles at LSU

 

Les Miles at LSU compared to Kansas

 

Charlie Strong at Louisville compared to Texas

 

Bret Bielema at Wisconsin compared to Arkansas

 

Chip Kelly at Oregon compared to UCLA

Not one of those guys has even close to Urban's resume. If Urban wasn't an option, then you can start talking about the best of the if/maybes, because that's all we'd have to chose from. But Urban's an outlier by a long stretch so none of your arguments apply to him at all.

8 hours ago, BoNeyard said:

Meyer

Aranda

Kiffin

Rhule

Heck, with the way their season is going and how brutal NFL job security is, maybe Zac Taylor?

30 minutes ago, Farms said:

I was with you until you threw out Zac Taylor. This is a great swing for the fences list otherwise though.

Your definition of "swing for the fences" and mine are two completely different things. Only one name on that list is "swing for the fences." The rest are prospects at best. We don't need another prospect. How are Aranda, Kiffin, Rhule (and even Taylor) any different from Callahan/Riley/Frost?

Does anyone know the official timeline on when Urban can actually be hired? When he was at tOSU, there was an overlap with him being there and the "interim" staff still being there. I remember it seeming odd, but within NCAA rules, they were essentially able to hire Urban and let him get in place and start assembling his staff and recruiting while the old (interim) staff was able to finish out the rest of the season, which was just the bowl game. Their regular season ended on November 26, Urban announcement was on November 28, Fickell and the rest of the staff stayed on through the Gator Bowl on Jan 2, Fickell was retained but most of the rest of the staff was fired shortly after.

Doubtful we'll have a bowl game so that part probably doesn't apply to us (ducks for cover), but do we have to wait until the end of the regular season? I keep hearing Urban can be hired now. Is that really true? Maybe a deal can be made now, but I'm guessing we have to wait until at least November 26 to announce or before he can do any official work for us?

It doesn't really matter, I'm just curious from an announcement standpoint. Even if he can't officially start until 11/26, there is a ton of groundwork he can do behind the scenes in the way of evaluating and identifying assistants and recruits between now and then. Hell, maybe the deal is already done and he's already working behind the scenes 

7 minutes ago, presidentjlh said:

Lol where is this. Or are you joking?

Apparently said it on the Dan Patrick Show...

https://huskercorner.com/2022/09/20/nebraska-football-tim-tebow-urban-meyer/

42 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

Fwiw

 

The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman reported Kansas head coach Lance Leipold, Iowa State head coach Matt Campbell and Alabama offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien are “high” on the Cornhuskers’ list of potential targets to replace Scott Frost, who was fired Sept. 11 after a 1-2 start to the season.

 

 

6 minutes ago, BigRedN said:

Enjoyed your thoughts ... but of course, I'd be willing to stomach Urban.  I don't think he would be that bad.

Here's what I'd do.  I'd see if he would bite on something like what Frost was given.  Maybe, just a bit more.  Now, before you throw stones ... please, let me finish.

From there, I'd make a contract that was filled with incentives.  In that would be a bonus for B1G conferene record, a bonus for winning the East side of the conference, a bonus for winning the B1G and on upwards.  I'd also put a bonus in there for a timeline on the turn around.  In all this, I would make it specific to a period of years being around 3-4.  

I haven't really seen a contract for a coach that would be really geared more toward a "performance contract".  I would set out a course for his record and then as well a few aspects related to character and the state of the program that will be maintained [and bonuses there as well].

Because he has a shorter window ... and a successful track record, this is how I would take on Urban as a coach that I think provides some necessary safe guards.

Would/will that happen ... I doubt it!  It's at least a view and an idea.

I'd love if all of football would have contracts geared more toward performance incentives. But, what in God's name would make you think Nebraska is in any kind of position of power here? We've got by far the weak hand when it comes to the pursuit of Urban, so we're in no position to try to reinvent the wheel when it comes to contract negotiations, with Urban or pretty much anybody. Not to mention, to try to change the entire culture of football contracts. Great idea, but it will never happen. 

5 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

Fickell's 2011 season as HC is somewhat similar to Mickey Joseph's 2022 season with the exception that Fickell was handed the keys to a ferrari and Joseph was handed the keys to a Ford Pinto.  Cincinnati was doing relatively well with the exception of the last year before Fickell was named HC.  Sounds similar to UCF don't you think?    

Yeah, let's just ignore what Fickell has accomplished in the 10 years since then. And no, Ohio State wasn't a Ferrari that year. They were a s#!t-show. Not as bad a s#!t show as Nebraska right now, but it was a mess that Fickell was asked keep on the rails for that one lame duck season. There's a reason Urban kept him on after that and it wasn't because he sucked.

10 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

 

Is the bolded actually correct?  I looked at his record from his record from his fourth year on because the majority of the players should have been his players.  In 2019, he went 7-6.  All but two of the teams he lost to were ranked in the top 15 at seasons end but two.  Those were KState who finished 8-5 and Okie State who finished 8-5.  I wouldn't call either of those two teams cellar-dweller.  All games lost in 19' were close games with the exception of Notre Dame in the bowl game.  In 2020, he went 9-3.  The three teams he lost to all finished in the top 20 at seasons end.  In 2021, he finished 7-6.  All but two of the teams he lost to were ranked in the top 25 at seasons end but two.  Those were West Virginia who finished 6-7 and Texas Tech who finished 7-6.  At Iowa State with his players, he has yet to lose to a team that wasn't bowl eligible.  He has only lost once to a team that finished the season with a losing record.  He has one top 10 finish.  Iowa State won just four conference games in the three seasons before Campbell became their coach. 

That's a lot of "all buts" and "exception ofs". Now do Frost.

32 minutes ago, Red Five said:

He has between 8,000,000 and 10,000,000 reasons to come here.

I don't know about $8M - $10M reasons. He's making $3.4M a year now and there's no way we're paying him between $11.4M and $13.4M, but I see your point. Not sure why anyone would assume he's not an option (unless I've missed something like him saying he's never leaving Cincinnati or something).

He's pretty easily in my top 3. He's been to the CFP and has tons of ties to the B1G area. He's got a much better resume than Campbell or Leipold or any of the other up-and-comers that I've seen mentioned.

Some of y'all don't seem to grasp the concept of "odds of being successful" and just want to cherry-pick data points for whatever fits your argument. When you just look at pure "odds of being successful" based on total body of work, as far as realistic (maybe semi-realistic) candidates, it's Urban and everyone else is a distant second. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you because it's not even close. I don't care if you want to cherry-pick, "but he's 58" or "but Florida and Ohio St aren't the same as Nebraska" or whatever. He's got the best "odds of being successful" by a long shot. Does that mean he's a sure thing? No, there's no such thing. Hell, we could hire Saban and he may fizzle out because Nebraska just wasn't the right fit or he's gotten old and complacent or whatever. But the odds are best with Urban and that shouldn't even be up for debate.

That's not to say someone else can't be successful, but the odds go way down. Could an up-and-comer like Matt Campbell or Lance Leipold be the next Saban and Iowa State/KU is their Sparty? Sure. But for the few of those that hit, there are a ton more who never even come close. They could work, they just have a lot lower odds of working than Urban. A LOT lower.

Of the names I've seen thrown around, plus or minus a pro or con here or there, pretty much everyone after Urban has about the same odds of being successful. I've seen a lot of arguments for and against all of them and it really comes down to all of them being a total crap shoot. And I just can't get excited about (m)any of them because the result will most likely just be rinse and repeat of more of what we've been going through. None of them has a differentiating quality that move the needle much at all.

Which is probably why I'm all in on Deion Sanders after Urban. At least he's got some differentiating qualities that would excite me. He may be a bigger risk than the rest of the prospects (not by much) but he's also got a lot more upside if he does work. At least our recruiting would instantly skyrocket (can't honestly say that for any of the others). And even if we miss on him, which we're likely to do with any of them, at least he'd be entertaining as hell along the way and have Nebraska instantly in the spotlight once again. Something we haven't had in forever.

41 minutes ago, talaricohusker said:

How about Prime Time? His name has been thrown around a few times 

He's my #2 choice behind Urban. He's exactly what Nebraska needs.

Dude is racking up 3 and 4 star recruits and even got a 5 star #1 cornerback in the country to come play for him. At Jackson effing State. And, although they're largely from around the southeast area, there are a lot of guys on the roster from all over the country. He can definitely recruit nationally.

18 hours ago, Bad2theBONES said:

Next best is Shawn Peyton. Doubt he would ever leave NFl, but make him a a ridiculous offer and give it a chance. He could bring top recruits in like Urban. 

I'd go with Dabo Swinney over Sean Payton. More proven in the college game. I mean, while we're being completely unrealistic.

2 minutes ago, Husker03 said:

Deion has made it pretty clear that he is building something and has a different focus than him and his coaching aspirations. He does not want the NU job as it doesn't align with what he is looking to do. It isn't fair to blame it on some form of old stiff whitism.

No he hasn’t. He has legitimately interviewed for a handful of P5 jobs, including TCU and Arkansas. He has publicly stated that he wants to coach at the P5 level.

24 minutes ago, Dansker said:

Out of every person’s list only one coach has shown interest in Nebraska in the past and that’s Matt Campbell. If you want detail oriented, player development, defensive minded, he is our guy. But we need to take what Urban said with seriousness. We need to go back to what made us an epicenter of player development. It all starts up front on both sides of the ball.

 

We don’t know 100% if Urban has interest or not. We’re either going to get a coach on the up and up or a fired HC. Based on who is trending up and down, I see no reason why to go after someone who was recently fired. I don’t understand the obsession with Matt Rhule. Did he beat any top CFB teams at Baylor? He hasn’t done anything at Carolina. To me he’s another Bill Callahan.

 

The next coach needs to be someone who is a master at fundamentals, a motivator, and player developer. And we need to surround him with a huge financial pool to use for assistants.

Then you need to do your homework more. He did a phenomenal job turning Baylor around in the wake of the whole Art Briles rape debacle. And did it with all the things you listed that you think we need. Yeah  And I put very little stock in his NFL performance. Saban and Urban failed in the NFL too.