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4 minutes ago, lo country said:

Deion is making $300k and gives half back to JSU.

I think his performance incentives (speaking of) got him closer to $500K last year, but your point stands.

3 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Trev seems like the last guy who would try to take the cheap route with this coaching search.  I think Trev knows how important this job is, and isn't going to let $ be a limiting factor.  I think that guy writing the article is grasping at straws and looking for clicks.

No doubt. Most contracts have performance incentives. Just because he heard that's what we're going to do does not mean we are going cheap on the terms. The two are not mutually exclusive.

7 minutes ago, Enhance said:

Do you have a link and/or recall the source? I'd just be curious to see precisely what kind of structure they were suggesting. A lot of coaching contracts have incentives built into them for winning the conference, a bowl game, or a championship. But, the bulk sum of their salary is set in stone, and I doubt Nebraska would try to short a candidate that bulk sum (if I'm understanding the context correctly).

 

As for your last sentence, I have very little idea what to expect salary-wise, but I personally think $8-9 million/year for five years is a steep salary for a majority of the names we've seen suggested as coaching candidates to this point. That'd be a Top 10 salary in college football. Again, though, that's just in reference to a majority of the candidates names I've seen thrown around. There are a few (like a Lane Kiffin, just as an example) who would probably command $8-9 million/year simply based off their current salary.

 

My initial assumption when Frost was fired is that we were probably going to be aiming for a coach in the $6-7 million/year range. $8 million+ if they're an established name and/or someone we were trying to get away from a school that was already paying them $6-7 million/year.

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33 minutes ago, admo said:

Feels like MJ would be the ideal 3-year starter deal around $12 mil total.

29 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Mickey would laugh in Trev's face if that was offered to him

Mickey is going to laugh at a $4M/yr offer? You mean because he'd think it was too high?

1 minute ago, Knothole Seats @ 50 Cents said:

This one got so nuts yesterday that a few members were discussing a possible replacement for whoever gets named as coach in Lincoln.

In fairness, if we end up with one of several names that have been suggested, we might as well 

29 minutes ago, commando said:

you are a piss poor lobbyist if you are talking to a message board rather than the guy who does the hiring.

How do you know I’m not?

9 minutes ago, Stone Cold said:

See heres the funny thing about life.  We all have conversations around here about what is a good fit or a bad fit in our program.  And this guy is all about teaching young boys to become men and put there best foot forward in life.  But we cant hire him because hes not a good culture fit, or hes to extreme of a character.  Im saying someone like this is exactly what this place needs.  

Cannot be stated enough ^

I keep seeing Deion is "high risk, high reward." Show me the "high risk." High risk that we may not win with him because he's not proven? We already suck. There's zero risk from a W-L standpoint. High risk because people might not like him? Most of America loves him. You think there will be a single talking head outside of Nebraska who doesn't praise us for having the foresight to give Deion a chance? The opposite. Show me the risk. Then show me the coach who doesn't have a risk. Any guaranteed winners for us out there, and I'm all ears.

Worst case scenario, we still suck but our national brand value has been lifted immensely and we have a coffer full of top 5 recruits. Best case scenario, he actually works out...because he's a winner.

Deion is very low risk, high reward.

(in case anyone wonders, I'm lobbying for DeioN SaNders)

25 minutes ago, I am I said:

 

watched that 60min interview. Took me into a wormhole, found this. Dude pumped up his team talking about parking passes, cheerleaders, and the band. 
not sure his x and o coaching is good (he’s winning a lot so it must be decent) or any of his football philosophy, but man this is what football is all about.  Men v Men, take that respect when they don’t respect you. I know he’s not getting hired here and not sure if he’s even a great coach but I love the fact he uses football to teach young men how to earn, demand, and win respect. There is a lot of disrespect in our culture (I have a teenage son lol)  and this man is teaching people to earn respect. 
 

The top programs have every single cushy, flashy, brash assed s#!t to offer kids who are good at football but haven’t earned that skybox, jersey, or cleats yet. I admire what he’s doing, especially for that community and league.

It’s a different world at Alabama, Mich, NU, and USC, but this simple speech actually gravitates young men to follow his ideals and rise above into greater things. I’m glad he’s doing what he’s doing, using football to teach greater things. 
 

TO has nothing to do with this video, except just be in it 

Made the hair on my arms stand up. If you're not running through a brick wall for him after that, there's something wrong with you.

9 minutes ago, crouchingzebra said:

GTFO if you don’t think Gundy is elite for what he’s done in Stillwater especially over the last decade.

 

Literally he qualifies under your definition for point A. But you’re too busy with the big D(eion) to see reality. 

If you think 1 conference title in 18 years is doing GREAT, then we clearly have two very different definitions of GREAT and elite. T Boon Pickens pumped a ton of money into that place. They have facilities, resources etc. and they’re near the biggest recruiting hotbed in the country. No offense, but I don’t think I’m the one not seeing reality here.

11 minutes ago, huskerpower22 said:

 

This is extremely inaccurate about O'Brien and Aranda.  You are just pushing some agenda. They are widely considered big names Nationally. Google it, watch interviews, listen to coaches in the profession. If you want to play the fan base game with O'Brien go to the LSU message boards who would rather have Aranda than Brian Kelly. Pick your poison. 

I just went to LSU reddit and Tiger droppings and they've barely mentioned him in months, much less saying they want him over BK. They might have been saying that after their first game of the year when they lost to FSU or they may have been saying that last year when Kelly was hired. LSU is 5-2 with 2 conf wins and their only conf loss to Tenn who's looking pretty damn good. Aranda is 3-3 and hasn't beat squat. None of them are saying that now.

14 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Who do you guys consider to be Big Names now?  I also put the % I think they would come here if offered based on a number I pulled from the air - but mainly just by reading all of this craziness

 

Big Name Hires

URB - but unrealistic      0%

Chris Peterson  - but unrealistic   0% 

Matt Rhule     10%  (I think he sits a year)

Lane Kiffin      30%

Dave Aranda   40%

Prime Time    1%

Bill O'Brien (Big name based on his whole body of work) - very realistic  80%

 

Medium  Name Hires

Chadwell    65%

Leipold       75%

Klieman     30%

Monken     35%

Campbell  30%  fading fast

 

I think my personal ranking at this point (leaving out URB, CP, Prime Time as totally not going to happen)

Kiffin     - Name recognition, recruiter   Despite his current success, he sounds ready for a change - where he can get more support. 

Rhule  - a lot of upside  - great experience, name recognition  but may be unrealistic for this year of the coaching carosal  

O'Brien   - the maturity & all well rounded experience on the college and pro levels can't be ignored

Chadwell  - which would signal we are going to differentiate ourselves.  Long term success as college coach

Leipold - program developer - places program on a stable, consistent base of performance 

Nonken - differentiation 

Aranda  - still young in HC experience but very good defensive mind

Klienman  - knows our Midwest area and can secure the 500 mile radius

Campbell  -  mostly MEH at this point

Great list, but I'm sorry...O'Brien and Aranda are not considered "big names" anywhere outside of here. They are both firmly in the "medium name" category. And how do you put a "fading fast" next to Campbell but not Aranda? He's 3-3 right now, hasn't really beaten anyone with a pulse, and has losses to some pretty crappy teams. That's text book fading fast from where I'm sitting.

5 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

I dont disagree with that, in theory.  However, in todays world, even if u have an A guy lined up u make the announcement in December.  Any incoming coach who is competent will not want to wait until early jan to announce theyre taking the job given the early signing period in place

Oh, no doubt...the announcement will be made right after the regular season. The guy might just not be able to start right away.

51 minutes ago, husker009 said:

Mike Gundy has one conference title at Okie State in 18 years, yet most people on this board think he's elite. Aranda won two games his first year and turned that team into a conference champion a year later. I will concede that there is a possibility it could have been a product of Rhule's recruiting, but he would still be the best hire NU has made since Solich based on resume alone.

I don't think Gundy is elite either. The problem with guys like Gundy and Aranda is that they're performing about where they should be at the places they're at, both of which are considered on par or better than current Nebraska. Both are in better recruiting areas. Both have plenty of resources and fan support. Neither is a blue blood, which we still are, but they're as good or better than us in every other category. And all that history means jack to kids these days. So, why do you think either is elite? Or would be able to improve if they came to NU?

Elite to me is either someone who's A) doing GREAT at someplace lower than Nebraska or B) has won BIG at a school on par with or better than Nebraska.

Petersen I'll give you, but I just don't see Aranda (or Gundy) that way. Maybe we have different definitions of "elite." And just to clarify, I think there are a small handful of coaches who fall into that category.

13 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

You can read between the lines on that.  He can easily be referencing a coordinator at a playoff bound team that might still be tied to another school.  Given how coaching searches are handled these days and the amount of time we've had, I would be shocked if it isnt lined up in the next few weeks and then announcement made Sat/Sun after we beatdown iowa

No, he's saying if you have a chance for an A who's not available to start until January, you don't pass on him for a B or lower just because they can come in November. And he's right.

10 minutes ago, husker009 said:

Chris Petersen or Aranda. 

Again, I ask how you can put both of those in the same sentence? And how can you classify Aranda as elite? Anyone with a conference title is elite to you? I like you and agree with much of what you say, but this one is a real head scratcher to me.

8 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

Trev doesn't can frosty this early if he doesnt intend on making a hire immediately following the reg season wrapping.  This makes getting a coach at a HC level already a lot tougher

Trev flat out said the availability of the coach isn't going to be a factor. Said it would be nice if we could get them early, but he's not making that big of a decision based on that.

8 minutes ago, Decoy73 said:

He was good at PSU. He was good with the Texans.  Why do you think this?

5 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

Realistically looking at the landscape, I think its the best match for both parties:

 

• He's well respected in the coaching ranks.  Both saban and belichik were gunning for his services, this has to mean something to someone like Trev
• Guys known as a grinder 
• He's meticulous AF when it comes to running a progrum.  He's polishing his already impressive track run at PSU under saban.
• His network and who he's crossed paths with puts him above 95% of the other candidates mentioned.  I think Trev is going to key in on this for staff build out purposes.  Today's game u need the HC to be the CEO and have legit staff around u to win consistently.  When comparing what BOB brings to the table on this vs other candidates, I'm hard pressed to find a candidate that would surpass the potential.
• Knows the big10
• He knows the NFL and can sell his time at PSU along with NFL to recruits
• He's realistic- he's gonna be a HC again. He's not a HC right now.  He doesnt strike me as someone who is gonna do the OC path for years on end.  
• I think the label of him wanting an NFL job is not really based in anything.  If you do some research, him leaving psu had way more to do with a s#!tty relationship with the AD then it did on him leaving on his own.
• Trev doesn't can frosty this early if he doesnt intend on making a hire immediately following the reg season wrapping.  This makes getting a coach at a HC level already a lot tougher
• As much as i'd be pumped about Rhule, i dont see him coming here.  I think him taking a year off and waiting for another job is much more likely.
• Campbell is losing steam nor does it seem like he wants to come here
• Arranda isnt leaving Baylor to come here
• Leipold probably the most likely but I'd argue if you cover the name on the resume I think I'd prefer BOB
• Wisconsin has a list of guys before they'd go after O'b... perhaps the only school i could see him ranking ahead of us is the Auburn job.
• CP isnt leaving the northwest, Lane isnt realistic, we wont poach bielema from illinois, Luke F isnt leaving cinci for here, wittingham is a utah guy thru and thru, Gary patterson might be a solid hire but his ending at TCU didnt seem to be the prettiest exit. 
• Trev knows he needs to get this right.  With B'OB i think u get the guy with the highest floor (worst case scenario) yet still runway for a high ceiling.  All of the other realistic candidates to me, have a lower floor and i dont see someone with a crazy higher potential unless its an Urban.

 

I get it, its not the sexiest name or face (lol) out there but this progrum needs a whole new foundation, its not a plug n play job.  Trev needs a pro that can do damage control.  

Every single Alabama fan I've ever met or heard from on the internet thinks he's the weakest part of Saban's staff and can't wait to get rid of him. Most say it with a lot of conviction. Meh.

2 minutes ago, husker009 said:

I just think now is the time for this program to make an elite hire. This is a point in time where the job is very attractive due to all the buzz around the new Big 10 media rights, NIL being introduced, and the facility upgrades. The program gave up an extra $7.5 million to let Frost go two weeks earlier. Money is obviously not an object for NU. If they hire a Matt Campbell or Bill O'Brien, Trev is telling the fans that NU is not serious about being elite again.

Agree with all of that. I just don't think that means we have to hire Urban. The two are not mutually exclusive. And I don't think Trev will after hearing him list "someone of great character" first on his wishlist.

3 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

Its gonna be bill o'brien

Then it’s gonna be a loooooong 3-5 more years.

7 minutes ago, husker009 said:

Saban is a giant sleaze bag too, but I highly doubt there's a single Alabama fan that cares. The guy literally made players cry while he was in the NFL and I'm sure it's happened plenty since he's been at Alabama. He also openly swears during interviews occasionally. It seems to be working out well for Alabama lately. 

Dude, swearing/saying something that hurts someone’s feelings is not the same thing as covering up domestic violence, etc.

Look, I’m not saying what he’s done should take him off our list entirely like an Art Briles. He’s just not my first choice anymore. I think there are better options. And more than anything, he doesn’t fit what Trev described he wants.

20 minutes ago, husker009 said:

Does anyone else on this board seriously believe other coaches don’t cover up domestic abuse. It’s sad, but it happens all the time. For me, I’m tired of the nice guys. They always finish last. NU has been trying nice guys for nearly two decades and look how far it has gotten the program. If there is even a small chance someone of Urban’s caliber wants the job, Trev needs to capitalize on the opportunity. I hate to break it to everyone else on here, but Osborne also covered up abuse and a whole bunch of other crimes, yet most of our fans worship the guy. Our program isn’t as clean as most of the fans think it is. Hiring Urban would be far from the worst act committed by this program and that’s a fact.

Well, there's nice guys and then there's just flat out sleaze bags. I've reluctantly been on the hire Urban train (reluctantly because I don't like his character issues) this whole time, but after going back and listening to Trev, I just don't see it happening. This interview is pretty cringe. I know he thought he was doing it for damage control, but it had the opposite effect on me...

Some things are more important than football. Not many, but some.

4 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Well - not taking advise from him.  He was thinking something similar to what I was already thinking.  Sometimes great minds can come from surprising places - even A&M

Okay then, if you ever find yourself thinking like an Aggie, it's probably best to change the way you're thinking 

1 hour ago, TGHusker said:

I was talking to a long time Texas A&M fan & grad this morning at work.  We were saying something similar.    The flavor of the day is the spread - everyone runs it and THEREFORE everyone has recruited a defense to stop it.  He came out and said Nebraska needs to go back to the gritty smashmouth football they ONCE WERE.  That doesn't mean we just RTDB but that we modernize what Tom did.  Recruit to our strengths and not be like everyone else.  If we can't get a big name who can bring in recruits to compete with OSU, USC, etc, then I would be all in on Jeff Monken or Chadwell.  Both would provide an offense that would be hard to prepare for as we'd be the only one on the opposing team's schedule with that type of O.   Granted, it means recruiting 4 star and 5 star OL would be a must, receivers who can catch and block, and a RB who can take on the load.  Of course - it won't matter if the D doesn't improve.  But a more ball controlled O helps out the D in so many ways as you all know.  

Your first problem is taking football advice from an Aggie. In fact, if they think we should do something, we should probably do the exact opposite. I've known a lot of them and I think I've ever known like 1 good one. They're the worst.

5 hours ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

No but in all seriousness there aren't many coaches that we can name that are grinders and hate to lose candidate coaches.  

I know we've all kind of veered all over the place as to what is important to us and what we assume is going to be important to Trev. But it got me thinking back to what Trev actually said when he talked about what he's looking for in our next head coach. I'm sure he's mentioned some other stuff since then and a lot of this is coach speak, but I do think it's somewhat telling where he started when he answered that question and the order in which he listed them...

Quote

Great coaches are...

• people of character
• people managers
• culture builders
• grinders, a lot of the great ones don’t have a whole lot of hobbies, football is all they know

Looking for someone who...

• is able to identify and relate to the modern student athlete and all they’re going through, all of the new things like NIL are very important
• has basic fundamentals of authentic leadership
• is somebody the players are willing to follow
• is someone who hates to lose, who hates losing more than they enjoy winning
• has a servant leadership mentality, here to serve young people
• sees this as an opportunity to rebuild and build something special

As bad as I hate to say it, given that "people of character" was the first thing he listed, I don't think Urban is an option.

The rest of the things are probably vague enough that they could fit just about any candidate.

Noteworthy also that he didn't list anything like "able to recruit" or "win/loss record" or "years of experience" etc. although I think a lot of that goes without saying. Also, he specifically said timeline won't be a factor as he's not going to base this big of a decision on when someone is available.

12 minutes ago, HANC said:

I was basically asking IF anyone on HB has heard rumors about CP? A handful of the outsiders who commented on Rick’s comment were mentioning CP. This is NOT a reach to associate the two, as you alluded to. Both coached at Washington, Rick has an infinity for the PAC 12 and follows it closely… CP also works with Urban at FOX, and Trev did meet with Urban…many think it was to either gauge his interest and/or get his thoughts on other candidates. Not a stretch to think that Urban could promote CP…. You can call it a stretch if you choose, but not nearly as much as Prime, Urban, even Aranda.

I wasn't saying hiring CP is a stretch. I was saying Neuheisel saying he knows we've reached out to one coach (duh) and assuming it's CP is a stretch.