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I think Bo would still be hired in 2004 probably even more so

something is odd... I have not been on this board for several days and did not post the comment above that was attributed to me. How is that possible?

Has this happened before to any of you?

I think Bo would still be hired in 2004 probably even more so

something is odd... I have not been on this board for several days and did not post the comment above that was attributed to me. How is that possible?

I think Bo would still be hired in 2004 probably even more so

My brain is sweating.

 

Thank you Captain Kirk... that was compelling. (obvious sarcasm)

 

 

Goodness. Sounds like a christian.

 

A real christian and not what passes for christianity in US politics.

 

 

I agree and am really thanking God for what I'm seeing so far from Pope Francis.

 

It will be really interesting to see where things go from here. Christendom is essentially over, but remnants of it still remain and are held to (who knows why) in certain places, especially here in the midwest.

 

Having such an influential leader really "walk the walk" is going to, if I have to guess, continue to separate that chasm between the progressing worldviews of modern culture and the church. I think that can simultaneously be a really good and a really bad thing.

 

what makes you say (think) that Christendom is essentially over?

 

 

Statistics regarding things like religious disaffiliation, rise of popularity in things like secular humanism, the shift away from the church being a central place in society and culture, etc.

 

It's hard to put into a neat succinct little sentence.

Understood.

It is true that the numbers in the United States re: trends in church attendance are in the wrong direction.... but as an encouragement to a brother --- take heart --- the Gospel cannot be stopped. The truth of the Glory of God in Christ will prevail for He is victorious already. A central place in society and culture? Perhaps not as much as we would like. That said, Christ is King and all is well.

 

 

Goodness. Sounds like a christian.

 

A real christian and not what passes for christianity in US politics.

 

 

I agree and am really thanking God for what I'm seeing so far from Pope Francis.

 

It will be really interesting to see where things go from here. Christendom is essentially over, but remnants of it still remain and are held to (who knows why) in certain places, especially here in the midwest.

 

Having such an influential leader really "walk the walk" is going to, if I have to guess, continue to separate that chasm between the progressing worldviews of modern culture and the church. I think that can simultaneously be a really good and a really bad thing.

what makes you say (think) that Christendom is essentially over?

But is "love your neighbor as yourself" really "grace"? According to my dictionary, grace is divinely given. I doubt if tmfr15 could deliver on that requirement even if he wanted to.

 

You can quibble over terms if you want, but the point of what I'm getting at is this.

 

In the Christian faith, grace is free, unmerited favor and mercy that isn't dependent on any condition or requirement, given by God. For Christians, aka those that receive the gift of grace, we become caretakers and also become sanctified, being refined to look more and more like Christ. As such, we are bound to extend grace - not our own grace, but God's - to others. Because God extends mercy and love and forgiveness to all people, so too are we called and equipped to do the same, by His strength and authority. Passing it along, so to speak. So yes, by a technical definition, grace is divinely given, but by a practical realization, it is extended by Christians as caretakers or messengers. Not something that we create or give of ourselves, but something that we have been given, and in turn, give.

that was nicely stated. Well done as a representative of truth.

I've seen how Oregon and several other teams use their smaller, speedy backs behind O lines and I'm excited for the potential here. A year in the weight room and practice vs a good D will make him a valuable weapon in our offense.

looking at this young man suggests that he does not "need" another year in the weight room... he is ripped and very, very strong already.

 

Regardless, Ron Kellogg did an interview remarking on how it's not just a PR campaign and how Bo has really been an entirely different person since January. Just one person's first-hand informed opinion.

 

Who played for and works for Bo

so... if he has been an "entirely different person", that means this is not who he was before? he was a jerk and classless until january? i mean, we are all saying that he is now class and a great guy, so it stands to reason that if he is now entirely different than before, he was not those things before. seems kind of harsh.

That might be reading a bit much into an inoccuous figure of speech...

seems to me that Kellogg was simply saying that Bo has changed and clearly the context suggests that he means changed in a good way. That is, of course, very nice to hear. People do change and people can grow. Kellogg seems to be suggesting that such is the case for Bo as he sees it. Again, great to hear. We should be encouraged by this.

I'll eat crow on this one. I saw a bit of the kid's HS film and was shocked to see the kid even get an offer to walk on, thinking he was not suited for anything beyond Doane and Concordia level competition. He was twig-thin and did moderately well against weak competition. Credit to him, he looked 10x better in the spring game. I would not be worried if TA went down and this kid went in. He looks like a serviceable game manager that would not play outside his strengths.

If, as you say, Ryker can be a serviceable game manager that would not play outside his strengths... that would be great. So... if he can do that, then when called upon to contribute (just when or to what degree we do not yet know) NU will be OK. Thus, I see this as a good thing. Armstrong is there and will start... if he goes down, NU has Fife who few would have guessed earlier could contribute. Not only Fife but also Stanton.

Further, the surprising abilities of Fife will drive Stanton harder as well. So everyone should be thrilled that Fife is in there legitimately competing.

Ahman Green should be on that list instead of Fryar.

I agree. Ahman was very, very good. Fryar too. Still, I would place Green on that list over Irving.

Saunders:

you state... So, only your anecdotal evidence counts, and everyone else is wrong? Ok then.

My response is that I never said anyone else had a wrong view at all. In fact, the only comments I even referenced are those whose anecdotal experience was like mine... and then only to say my experience was similar. To lash out like that is somewhat uncharacteristic of you. I never even intimated that other anecdotal evidence did not count. Not sure even where that came from. Anyway, I hope your day gets better.

Tampa, Florida checking in. I also know tons of CFB fans, mostly SEC and of course all the Florida teams.

 

I have seen nothing but respect for NU as a team and program, and historic power. I still run into Gator fans that squirm with bad memories of a particular Fiesta Bowl, but even they have respect for the program.

 

There ARE some head-scratching questions about why we have put up with Bo's antics, and about how soon, if ever, we will either get over the hump, or get a championship of some sort, or if we let Bo go first. They are also understanding of the great record, always 9-10 win seasons, but as stumped as anyone as to why we can't quite get a couple more here and there.

 

That is what I hear too. You hear things like "Nebraska is a great program with great fans and a real class operation... so, why would they keep this guy Pelini around who is such a jerk?"

 

 

Yeah well you also "heard" this, so.....

 

NU football has much, much less than a sterling reputation re:sportsmanship nationally. In fact, NU has among the worst reputations in college football

those two posts convey the same thing and are consistent... the NU of the present with Bo as the "face of the program" is viewed negatively. Numbered among those that view NU this way are many who, in general and from a historic perspective, respect and like NU but are baffled that such a well respected program characterized by being classy is currently headed by a coach that is largely perceived as the opposite.

The Vancouver Canucks in hockey are viewed much the same way by many --- a team that is historically respected and liked whose present coach (their current "face of the team") is viewed very negatively... so people wonder why that team, once respected and now viewed negatively by many because of their coach --- in fact retain their coach (or ever hired him in the first place).

His film looks really good. Nice moves. Good vision. Nice speed. And he blocks well too. looks like a nice pickup.

You are missing the point. Nebraska is well thought of, Bo is not, and your comments make the same notation. How long is the University going to put up with him, is the normal comment. Nothing about wins and losses or how far we might have fallen. Just, and I quote, the buffoon in charge should be ran out of town as soon as possible. I have heard that comment far more than I would like to. My wife can not stand Bo. Most thought he was gone in November.

 

I think he needs a good season this year, not so much the wins and losses, but respectable play, temper under control. I think one more blow out and his Texas fund runs out.

I concur that NU is still thought of well and that Bo is not. Of course Bo is polarizing... some love him. Many are very, very unimpressed. Few are neutral.

Tampa, Florida checking in. I also know tons of CFB fans, mostly SEC and of course all the Florida teams.

 

I have seen nothing but respect for NU as a team and program, and historic power. I still run into Gator fans that squirm with bad memories of a particular Fiesta Bowl, but even they have respect for the program.

 

There ARE some head-scratching questions about why we have put up with Bo's antics, and about how soon, if ever, we will either get over the hump, or get a championship of some sort, or if we let Bo go first. They are also understanding of the great record, always 9-10 win seasons, but as stumped as anyone as to why we can't quite get a couple more here and there.

That is what I hear too. You hear things like "Nebraska is a great program with great fans and a real class operation... so, why would they keep this guy Pelini around who is such a jerk?" That is what I hear. Confusion as to why a program like NU would continue to put up with this coach are forwarded. Oddly, even non-NU fans would like to see a new and classy coach at NU. So you get both a baseline very positive view of NU and a questioning sense of why NU would sully its reputation like this.

I will say people are, generally, less negative about Pelini now than in the past. The current PR campaign to cast Bo as a "nice guy" is awkward... but it may be having some positive impact.. I guess.

You are always going to get some of these quotes when you play a lot of freshmen and sophomores. Many come in and know they have to work their azzes off but some take a little time. yes....even back in the golden years we had talented players come in and not realize the level of commitment needed the first year or two. The difference is they learned that lesson on the Freshman team instead of in the spot light on national TV on Saturday afternoons.

Very true, and it's probably indicative of today's 14-22 year old's as well. Work ethic is eroding at every level - not shocking it carries over into the roster.

 

 

People have to understand that these kids come out of HS thinking they are absolutely king Snizzle because that is what they have been told since they were 4 years old. They just got done with an amazing HS career where they were big man on campus and many times the best player on the field. Many reached this level through pure talent and really didn't have to work like they will have to when they get to college and are with 100 other guys who are just as talented as they are or better.

 

Bo and Company then have to make those guys realize they can't get by on pure talent alone. They now have to work their AZZES off to get what they want. For some, it needs to smack them in the face before they believe it.

 

BUT.....that doesn't mean they can't turn it around and realize every dream they had when they originally came to college.

You state..."Bo and Company then have to make those guys realize they can't get by on pure talent alone. They now have to work their AZZES off to get what they want. For some, it needs to smack them in the face before they believe it"

Agreed. To date, Bo and company have been unsuccessful in this endeavor.

Further --- and this is evident this spring --- the coaches let these players run off at the mouth of how good they think they will be and how dominating they think they can be. Tell those players not only to not to talk that way but do not think that way either. The coaches need to tell these kids to shut up and let your play on the field speak for you. tell them work your butt off and close your mouth.

I can't believe we are comparing Tommy to Zac Lee. Where have we fallen

I thought Zac Lee played with grit, with heart and played pretty darn well. He was a very solid college QB and a fine Husker.

I have a feeling this could be T-Mart 2.0...

 

He hits a hot streak, and you'll get the f*ck Martinez crowd chiming in, and if he has a bad stretch, you'll hear from the he'll never be better than Martinez crowd chiming in...

 

I just hope he's learned from his experiences, and builds off of that. I get worried that sometimes he'll go into "I have to win this myself mode" when the chips are down and gets impatient...

 

 

he won't be a "take it to the house" guy like TM, but he will leg out some first downs and scramble pretty well, what i do expect is he will be a better passer than TM and manage the game better, avoiding turnovers...and that should be good enough.

That seems to be a reasonable assessment. I agree. And, if we are right and Tommy simply plays a self-contained, relatively error free game getting the ball to the play-makers then NU's offense will be fine (and largely how fine will more be an OL issue at that point). NU does not need a QB to be THE guy... just a solid distributor who does not turn the ball over. I hope and I think Tommy can do that.

The film on Fife from High School was promising. Who knows... he may legitimately compete. If so, that would be great. Stranger things have happened. It is not like walk-on QB's have never surprised in the past. They have. I like his attitude too... he is going for it. Good for him and NU.

But he was a freshman last year pressed into service rather unexpectedly. So... to have expected much more than we saw last year out of Tommie would have been fairly unreasonable. No one should expect an average-level QB performance (against major college QB standards) from a freshman who was not the intended starter who was thrust in after injury to the #1 guy.

 

 

Tommy played really awful at times. Freshman or not, there were some moments where he just flat out stunk.

 

He went 6 of 18 for zero touchdowns and 3 interceptions against Purdue of all schools.

 

15 of 29 for 1 touchdown and 3 interceptions against Northwestern.

 

9 of 21 with 2 touchdowns and 1 interception against Michigan State, which is a lot more forgivable considering their defensive talent, but also two killer fumbles in our own redzone.

 

 

Taylor Martinez and Cody Green never had performances close to that bad their freshman years. Danny Etling at Purdue, Zach Kline at Cal, Jake Waters at Kansas State, Baker Mayfield at Texas Tech, and Trevor Knight at Oklahoma are a few examples of other new freshman quarterbacks that didn't have any performances that bad (Jake Waters was a juco sophomore*)

 

He did some really nice things but some really terrible things too. He's got a long ways to go.

He did have some rough stretches, agreed. My thought however is that he need only refrain from such turnover games (and with the added experience, the new context of knowing he is the starter, and the additional maturity in the system it is reasonable that he will improve). If the defense is improved and fumbles are reduced, NU will improve over last year. If the standard is simply improvement over last year, then Tommie needs basically to play solid and not hurt the team... which is reasonable to assume he can do.

If the standard is to be a legit conference championship contender and, say a top 15 team, then improvement in almost every area is required... and at QB, then Tommie would indeed have to improve a lot (beyond simply playing solid and not hurting the team). Can Tommie improve that much? Who knows? We'll see.

i like tommy. i think he can take us far. definitely a good enough qb if we have a stout defense.

 

but it is funny how people see totally different things when watching the same qb.

agreed. If the defense is good and turnovers are down, Tommie is plenty good enough (I should think) for NU to be better this season than last. The issue is not so much Tommie (except perhaps his contribution... and hopeful non-contribution to turnovers) but the defense and the turnovers. If Tommie is relatively free from turnovers, NU will be fine at QB.

Army_Allen:

That Tommie is unlikely to be a Braxton Miller or a Manziel is probably already clear. If he that kind of skill it would have been evident even in his first few games. But... those two are very special players and few QB's are at that level.

Regarding Tommie, there is no reason to think he will be less than good. There is hope, and a reasonable hope it is, that Tommie could be pretty good. he may be that as early as conference time this year. Again, I do not think we need to be overly concerned about QB play. NU will be fine at QB.

The vibe I'm getting from this thread is it's more of a Fyfe vs. Stanton battle for 2nd string. I AM DISAPPOINT

 

- but not entirely surprised.

Why disappointed?

 

If Armstrong is the best qb we have, why is it so disappointing that he's the man? Why is it so disappointing that Fyfe would be 2nd string if he's actually better at this point than Stanton (which I doubt will be the case when all is said and done)?

 

I'm oober confused right now.

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It's fine if Tommy is the only decent option we have. As long as he doesn't get hurt.

Yeah, but from wwhat we saw last year, Tommy had better have made huge strides this year to deserve to have the starting spot locked up. He was well below average last year,,and if his play doesn't improve dramatically, this year won't be any better than last.

But he was a freshman last year pressed into service rather unexpectedly. So... to have expected much more than we saw last year out of Tommie would have been fairly unreasonable. No one should expect an average-level QB performance (against major college QB standards) from a freshman who was not the intended starter who was thrust in after injury to the #1 guy.

Now, with a year under him, with lessons learned and with a mindset of coming in as the starter one would be inclined to think that Tommie will likely be very much improved. So... we should be fairly encouraged. of course, it would be great if Stanton was playing so well that he challenged and pushed Tommie. While, so far, that has not seemingly happened, it is still early. Perhaps over the summer and into fall Stanton will have really progresses and be pushing Tommie later. I do not see QB as being a major concern for NU next season... probably not a concern at all.

I have no

It's just a rule in general that people tend to give more weight to anything with a negative charge than anything with a positive charge. So, as a representative of an entity much bigger than himself, Bo has to do everything in his power to not give anyone a chance to think negatively of him.

 

Look at what Tim Miles has done in his two years here. Sure it helps that the expectations of Nebraska basketball are substantially lower than Nebraska football, although that gap is now narrowing from both sides. But Tim, I think, has a personality that lends itself to the creation of positive thoughts from outsiders. Bo does not, and that's something that's not going to change too much. There are people who are good with other people, and there are people who aren't good with other people, and that is subject to categorization. There are some people who are good with certain types of people but not other types of people. That, I think, is why we hear so much about how the players would run through a wall for Bo, yet he doesn't give us as fans any reason to do the same.

 

But I think a concerted effort is being made to change the outside perception of him. However, the true test will come in the fall. There will come a point in the season where the team isn't playing its best or very well at all, and Bo's going to be asked a stupid question at halftime. How he responds to that stupid question will indicate how much of a change he's really made.

well said.