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I don't think you guys realize how much you actually hate Iowa. You'll realize it in November.

Hating a few overzealous fans does not make a rivalry.

I've seen enough "True" Husker fans that would make me hate Nebraska, if I thought they were the barometer of all Husker fans.

Yet, I would take Scott Frost over Eric Crouch as a Nebraska QB during the Big Twelve era.

We need black uni's

With Skull & Cross Bones

One sided rival.

How about third to last game left.

Yep, the inventor of pink locker rooms.

So Cody might go to a school where the new USC receiver coach basically blamed all of Nebraska QB's for his WR lack of production?

Just wondering what gloves the kids on specials team are going to wear? Are they going to switch gloves for xp or kick offs?

Also wonder what the glove to Tat exchange is going to be worth? Is it 4 gloves for one tat or higher?

I'm betting the first time Nebraska gets dinged for (glove celebration ) that will be the last time Pellini allows them to wear them.

I'm just guessing maybe if he had a better position coach he might have had better success.

I have a hard time believing that 4 of the top 10 plays in Memorial stadium happened durring one of the worst decade in Nebraska history.

Question: When I was in college, I shared an apartment with the starting LG.... let's say that "hypothetically", I let him use my car to get to practice, or maybe I happen to buy the beer or pizza many times..... in this "hypothetical" scenario, would I be putting the university in jeopardy?

Probably not. I think the overwhelming issues is universities, fans and agents giving improper benefits to players. A college roommate paying for pizza and letting him borrow a car for practice would probably be seen as a non-issue.

But didn't Eric Crouch get into some BS similar to this for taking a sandwich for free? I would think that as well is a non issue. But obviously the NCAA seems to think he benefited from it, so wouldn't this LG also benefit from being bought pizza and using someone's vehicle which in turn that someone paid for the gas he used?

The free sandwich was provided by different means, so I don't see the two as well related. One situation involves free food, the other involves free car/food from a roommate. Most people share a lot of things with their roommates. I cook food for my roommates sometimes and don't ask for money, because they do something to make up for it at some point. There's no way to prove the LG didn't at any one point. That said...(scroll down to next part)

 

I am assuming that most people "would" jump at the chance to buy this "hypothetical" jersey. I also believe that almost everyone of those people wouldn't even think about the possible consequences or that it was even a violation. Many fans are not well versed on every "Little" violation (including me)......... Now, if I truly knew that it was a violation, there would be NO WAY that I would risk putting the University of Nebraska, my alma matar, it jeopardy, but in most cases, we would all jump at little stuff like that.

 

Question: When I was in college, I shared an apartment with the starting LG.... let's say that "hypothetically", I let him use my car to get to practice, or maybe I happen to buy the beer or pizza many times..... in this "hypothetical" scenario, would I be putting the university in jeopardy?

 

The answer is "maybe," which goes to show precisely why the NCAA is so ridiculous. They've made just about everything a violation to the point that it is all so artificial and unrealistic.

 

Instead of making a few egregious things a violation and concentrating on enforcing those, they've made just about everything a violation and cannot possibly hope to enforce most of it. Trouble is, that approach cultivates an environment where rule-breaking is seen as harmless and inevitable, and you end up missing out on the things that are really important.

This is a very good point. I don't know how the NCAA would adjust their rules, but something does need to be rectified. The fact that you must question almost every move with an athlete means the rules are bonkers. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with offering a football player a free sandwich at a restaurant every now and then, nor do I see anything wrong with a left guard borrowing a roommate's car to get to practice.

 

That said, I do have problems with things like players selling university provided memorabilia (that they didn't technically pay for) in order to profit from it - i.e. selling game worn pants for profit. And even though people might find issue with the university making thousands off of Suh's 300th sellout uniform, Suh still didn't pay for it himself. It was a university provided outfit and I don't think a player has the right to sell it.

 

Here's a question - if a player buys a jersey from the Husker store, signs it and then sells it, is that a problem? I'm sure somebody would find a problem with it, even though the player paid for it.

Regardless, the NCAA sees them as a monetary asset that they won't sole possession of. Even if they rectify the rules, someone will find a loop hole and piss of the NCAA and then they'll add another rule to the book. I think it will always be a vicious cycle because something I might find wrong, someone else might not.

If the players sells the shirt for the same amount or less there is no problem. It's when the player is using his fame or his status as a athlete to make money that a normal person couldnt.

Isn't it pretty common knowledge that there were players using steroids during the 90's? I would venture to guess 70-80% of D1 schools have players who commit "major" infractions - its just a matter of who gets caught.

Maybe in the early 80's but Nebraska instituted steroid testing around the mid 80's to prove they werent using. Former UCLA (Terry Donahue) head coach always tried to imply that's how Nebraska was tremondous running the ball without actually coming out and saying it.

I have not read the results, but every single talking head states they should have gotten worse, one coach was fired for lying, concealing evidence supposedly. He was the scapegoat for the SC deal, Pete Carrol saying he was never going to leave SC for any reason, leaves as the investigation gains momentum. Lienart again having an apartment where friends on the team lived, IE dad helped recruiting actions. I live out here and here a lot of stuff about it. Pete Carrol is not welcome at SC any longer, Reggie Bush is banned from coming on campus. This was a huge deal and came very close to getting the death pentalty. That program new about it period. If the NCAA could have proved it went above the position coach they would have. Lucky I think.

 

Tressel admitted to Ohio State that he lied, Ohio State notified the NCAA of the lies. Ohio state has continously reported the violations and I have heard they report more minor infractions than any other major program. Being up front with the NCAA is going to help. It is a mountain out of mole hill.

 

My guess is they will lose the championship game this year, and the bowl for this year. A couple of scholarships lost and that will be it. They have corrected the problems, taking the proving out of the mix for the NCAA.

 

I do not know if people want them to be guilty of more than they are because of hate or dislike(IE Michigan fan).

 

Really there is no proof of the selling the pants, just an email stating so. Tressel not following up on it or deciding it was not that big of deal and decided to do nothing about it. Or felt that he and the kids, could be in danger from the individual responsible for the dealings, he actually stated that in the early days of this.

 

I am giving no credit for Coach Tressels lying, I am stating the University notified the NCAA that he had.

 

I have not read the emails from Tressel, nor any that Smith or Ghee seent. I doubt I ever will. The worst part of this whole thing is the cover up and the actions of Coach Tressel in trying to do so. He is gone, Smith may follow, Pryor is gone. The culprits at the root of the evil have been punished. Where as in the SC deal, no one that actually did something wrong, other than a position coach suffered the pentalties. The school is left to suffer for what a couple of idiots did. I disagree with what happened to SC, but I think they brought this on themselves.

 

I want to see the people responsible for the actions get the pentalties. Not just walk away.

 

But again I see no real reason why a individual that is given something can not sell that articlc. Common sense says you should be able to. But the NCAA sees it as a heinous crime.

 

My guess that when the shoe is on the other foot, we will see things differently. We have been out of the winning mode for a few years, trust me, if and when we start to dominate college football, they will be here sniffing in garbage cans.\

 

Facts, we have a few players that sold a 40.00 gold pants pin. A coach that lied about it. A university that has reported the infractions and does so on a regular basis.

 

We have a player that recieved thousands of dollars worth of benefits, a coach that denied, a coach fired for covering it up, and a universtiy that DENIED it. Yet the NCAA was able to find a coach that they said knew all about it. He still denies it. Pete Carrol leaves. Two weeks prior stating he would never leave SC. Local media stating when he left that the pentalties were going to be harsh, and that him leaving confirmed it...

 

It amazes me that Ohio State can find out what Pryor was doing as a freshman, but SC had no idea what the top player in the country was doing. Knowing full well he would be approached at every opportunity.

 

I guess we will know possibly during the season, how the shoes fall. I hope it is a fair deal, but it would be a first for the NCAA.

Now there's reports that Tressel has received e mails March 27 2007 about this guy Talbott who was selling on e bay signed stuff from underclassmen which is before Pryor even came to Ohio State. Then he was warned again in 2009.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6652125

If any of this turns out to be true, I would expect the same kind of penalty USC received or worse.

Nebraska Death Penalty was in 2004 but, then that was self inflicted.

Purely speculation but Bo has to be on their list. He's a defensive genius and has done wonders turning thing around at Nebraska and has ties to tOSU. I hope he doesn't go, but the temptation to coach at his alma mater and get the program back on track may be too good to pass up.

I heard Callahan because he once beat Michigan in a bowl game.

Seriously, no current Head coach other then probably Kiffin would take a job that they would only have 100 days to get ready and with sanctions from the NCAA looming over said school. Would have to be quite a slimeball to leave a school that gave you first chance at being a HC with no time to find a replacement.

You can tell their Nebraska fans because their the ones sitting and telling everyone down in front.

I hope we get him. Kid looks like a stud when he turns the wheels on. Maybe he can help fill in some talent at our receiver corp.

He wont be skipping a pro baseball career to play WR at Nebraska.

I believe after the 1978 Bluebonnet bowl. A booster approached T.O at at an after bowl party and shook his hand and said something to the effect that " It's a good thing you won Tom cause' you wouldn't of been here if you didn't". TO was on thin ice at the time.

Which is probably, funny because I couldnt see Bob Devaney firing TO because of a booster crying.

Everyone used to bringup the 8 bowl losses but never mention that Nebraska was the underdog in most of them and were playing the number 1, 2, 3rd rank teams in that 8 year span.

Dennis Dodd's blog

Friday's revelation that Jim Tressel forwarded emails to a mentor of quarterback Terrelle Pryor might be the deal-breaker for the Buckeyes coach. Remember, these are the emails that he wouldn't share with his superiors because Tressel was worried about "privacy" issues.

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This is more about Tressel. On the surface, he not only withheld information regarding -- let's not forget -- a federal investigation from his superiors. He also went off the reservation in sharing the emails with a person outside the university. Not even a parent -- a "mentor." Let's be clear: A glass company owner in western Pennsylvania apparently knew Pryor's name had popped up during a federal investigation before Ohio State's president or athletic director. LINK

 

Yeah, as more of this stuff comes to light, I don't think the 5 game self-imposed wrist slap is going to stand. This could cost Tressel his job.

Before this EVERY coach that violated the bylaw about lying to the NCAA has been fired. Just when it looked like Tressel would break that streak this surfaces. Not good for him.

But he's a standup guy or so I've been told.

What about the hidden pistol, what about Johnny Rogers.

 

Both retained their jobs then. I do not think any of them were bad people. Protecting the kids is their job.

 

It is a joke that it is against the law in the first place, and damned near everyone here would have thought it was okay to do.

 

I have not seen this angry Tressel person you speak of. He has said he was sorry, made a mistake, but also made a statement about being afraid for the kids and himself. Not dealing with the most reputable people or something to that affect.

 

Again, we do not know the whole story, the NCAA will make that decision. Until then he is in good standing as far as I am concerned. Not for me to judge him.

It's not against the law it's a NCAA rule and there for a reason, so not to give a competitive advantage to schools that have boosters that are willing to shell out money to disguise they are paying players.

I think, that we do not know the whole story. I compare it to Coach Osborne and the LP deal. Mistakes were made. He owned up to it and it is time to move on. It is none of our business as far as I am concerned.

I must have forgot how Osborne tried to cover up what LP did. I seem to remember Osborne suspending LP indefinitely right away and reducing the penalty later. No matter what you think of Osborne decisions there were no NCAA rules broken.

Tressel is a stand-up individual who made a mistake, and (seemingly) realizes it, and gave himself a harsher punishment than he had to. I have no comment on whether he should be fired or not, but I am entirely confidence in his decency as a human being.

Let me get this straight. The stand up guy Tressle found out in a e-mail last April before football season that some of his top players were trading merchandise for cash or Tats which is against NCAA rules. He then does nothing to report the misconduct to the NCAA or his own school.

When this all came out in December this stand up guy then acts that he's outraged even though he knew this was going on in April. He then makes a big deal that unless the players pledge that they won't go pro the next year then they won't play in the bowl game.

Then it's found out he knew back in April he makes a appology and Ohio State gives him 2 game suspension. Only after he knows that the NCAA is not going to reduce the players 5 game suspension that he decides he going to add three more games to his penalty. (Probably to stall the NCAA from giving something worse then his being really contrite.) OH, what a web we weave when you first try and deceive.

I have no dog in this hunt. but can't see how the NCAA can let him get away with what he did with only a five game suspension.

The close calls in the bowl games and the last two conference title games are too easy. I'd want to see what Franky could do with his best team. The 1999 squad. Give me a W in the game in Austin and win out the remainder and see what NU can do with either FSU or Michael Vick led Va Tech.

 

That team probably was playing the best football at the end of that season and owned Tennessee in the Fiesta Bowl. The Texas "hose jobs" began that day as a blown PI call in which Davidson(I believe) caught the ball after the PI and they didn't give NU the catch. Lost 20 yards in field position and ended up turning it over on downs at the end of the game. Of course the fifty fumbles that game(the worst flaw of that 99 team) didn't help the cause either.

 

That was arguably one of the best defenses Nu has had.

Thought the same thing.

I'd even take the Raiders winning the superbowl, so there would be no chance of Callahan being fired and falling into Pedey lap.

Funny coming from the guy that invented the olay tackle.

Great read. This quote here struck me the most.

 

“There was such a negative air around everything ... It was his decision as much as anything. He had said, ‘I’ve got to move on.’ You get to the point where you get beat up the way he was getting beat up, I mean, he has goals. He’s done a lot in his career. It had become like the snowball was running so fast, it was out of control. He wanted to remove himself from the situation as much as anything else."

 

For all those people that criticize every move that Pelini makes, make note, we can cause a coach to want to leave. Yes a lot of people wanted Wats gone...but I take this quote as saying it effects everyone of the coaches. This isn't only an issue with fans hammering him but also the media. It always takes a toll on their opinions and wants concerning their job.

 

You're exactly right. No other college fanbase out there would have the gall to hammer their coach, and I'm sure there's also no other media that would do that to a coach.

 

 

The guy didn't say we were the only fanbase guilty of this, only that we are in fact guilty of it.

 

Yeah this ^

 

I know every fanbase does it and they have the right to. What I am saying is no matter what anyone thinks, the fan base and their reaction to things does cause coaches to think this. They are only human and I can see how some of them only can take so much.

 

I in no way am indicating I think the Husker fan base is more guilty of this then other schools either.

 

If the fanbase's reaction to Watson helped drive him off, then fantastic. It's not like we lost an effective coach. Far more often than not, fans are going to complain about bad coaches. Maybe programs should listen to their fans more.

So you would have been ok with Tom Osborne going to Colorado?

 

That line ended the discussion

So you rather had a couple of more years with Callahan? It goes both ways.

It's when you allow the boosters to call the shots when you get in trouble and pressure the AD. TO and Solich come to mind.