carlfense

Lineman, as is the example in this situation, die because they're not paying attention to what they're doing 99.9% of the time.

 

Officers aren't in the same category . . .

So the fact that twice the number of linemen, between .3 and .5 percent of those employed, we should care more about them than the .17 percent of the police that are killed?

It's not the level of dangerous that is the issue.

I'm scratching my head trying to taking a job where, if you do your job that is dangerous but if you follow the safety requirements you are supposed to follow, there is a very small chance you don't go home that night to your family and comparing that to a job when you wake up in the morning and tie your shoe laces you know there is a certain part of the population out there that hate you and if put in the right situation, would have absolutely no problem pumping your azz full of lead....and...oh by the way...you don't know who they are and you are required to possibly do what it takes to come in contact with them.

 

To me, those two aren't even close to comparable.

I don't take offense to it, just showing what the numbers say, while unfortunate if your own stupidity leads to your own death, well that is what it is...............

I'd be surprised if that's accurate.

Killing them is what they want. They want more martyrs to praise and use in their propaganda. Let this trash rot in a cell for the rest of his life.

Think what you want Carl, you won't change your mind. You're just as stubborn as I am....

Again . . . I do have the same answer for each . . . but you seeming to take offense at my hypothetical question and not walksalone's makes me wonder if you agree.

Lineman aren't being threatened to be killed by people all over the country at this time.

You may not have come out and made a statement, but I can read between the lines and you even hinting at making that type of statement is real questionable.

Lineman aren't being killed by electricity just because of the clothes they wear to work.

I have the same answer for each of those questions. Do you?

I really liked Ezra Klein's work at the Washington Post, but the Vox site isn't doing it for me.

Wonkblog was fantastic.

I wonder if Vox is struggling to hit certain reader numbers and that's what's driving the low end content?

 

 

Idk, I've had some very s****y beers that were ice cold and were still very s****y. Has to be a decent beer to begin with...

Name some s****y beers.

T_O_B

 

 

This is a good start:

 

 

http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/TheWorstBeers.asp

 

Olde English 800 3.2

 

Also need to get my hands on some Ten Fidy.

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2681/34483/

Krug Park.

 

It's called clickbait.

 

It's like people forgot 12 Years a Slave and Lupita Nyong'o won last year.

 

Besides, all the cool kids are on team Grand Budapest Hotel.

And lastly, a lot of these "most dangerous jobs" lists don't even include fireman and police officers anymore. I can only think it's because it is expected that these are dangerous fields and it's almost expected for us to die for what we're doing. Obviously that's my opinion and I'm not saying those folks don't have a dangerous job, but I think that was a pretty bold statement for you to make carlfense.

Re-read what I wrote. There wasn't a bold statement by me. There was a bold and arguably quite offensive statement by walks . . . but that one doesn't seem to bother you for some reason. Is it because you're an officer and not a lineman? Or am I missing something else?

Best I can find right now, Forbes 2012 list of most dangerous jobs, electrical worker deaths in 2012: 26. From officer down memorial page, officer deaths in 2012: 128. And just for the country of Afghanistan our military had 301 deaths in 2012. Law enforcement deaths since 2001 2,172, military deaths since 2001 6,717. Electrical lineman deaths are hard to find them accurately being reported after 2008 from what I'm seeing, but through 2008 296 were killed, so let's double that just to be safe even though it's probably lower than that, that's 592 deaths. Reading an electrical lineman forum all of those guys are saying 99.9% of their fellow workers are killed by their own stupidity and not paying attention to what they're doing. Sure, some officers are killed in car accidents or accidental gunfire, but not all of those car accidents are their fault, not all of those accidental gunfire deaths are their fault.

Your numbers don't mean much without the context of how many linemen are employed compared to the number of police officers or servicemen/women.

Edit: Looks like there are around 100,000 linemen in the US. It looks like 30-50 linemen die on the job in a given year. So the chance of death is somewhere between .03% and .05%

Looks like there are around 1.1 million officers employed full time with about 765,000 of those as sworn officers. If we use the lower number of 765,000 and 130 deaths that gives any officer about a .017% chance of being killed in a given year.

So basically . . . linemen risk their lives to do their jobs at a rate somewhere between 2-3 times higher than police.

What's that mean? Not much. Linemen have a tough and dangerous job that they choose to do and we all benefit from it. Similarly, police officers have a tough and somewhat less dangerous job that they choose to do and we all benefit from it. I wouldn't be happy with people diminishing the risks taken by either.

 

 

yeah, because if you get killed as a linemen, how often is it your fault for being stupid?

I have a feeling that you would be offended if I said the same thing about police officers or the military.

 

That would be a pretty dumb statement to make IMO, officers and military aren't being stupid when some a-hole jumps out of a car and decides to open fire, they're just doing their job. I guess I want to see the statistics on lineman killed every year and see how it compares to officers before I believe it's more dangerous than being a police officer. I'm assuming uncontrollable accidents can occur to lineman, but I imagine their mistakes are what cause them to die. Me simply turning on my lights and stopping someone can cause me to die though, that's not a mistake, that's me doing my job. So am I supposed to not do my job because of that inherent danger? I don't think so.........

 

lol.

. . . Completing the project could create thousands of construction jobs, and permanent jobs thereafter. . .

 

. . . Even more important than the direct jobs from the Keystone XL pipeline are the indirect benefits of affordable, abundant American energy. . . .

 

. . . We should do everything we can to bolster the American economy, and promote American energy independence. . . .

yeah, because if you get killed as a linemen, how often is it your fault for being stupid?

 

When are people going to start appreciating the risks that linemen go through just to provide them with electricity every day?!

 

Meh. It's not specific to any profession. I can't remember the last time (if ever) I was thanked for doing my job . . . but I don't care because I chose to, and I am paid to, do it.

 

because power lines don't sneak up on you and empty a pistol into you, like the two cops in Brooklyn...

Dales Pale Ale. I'll probably be drinking that for the next month or so. Ecstatic that it's finally available in NE.

Also need to get my hands on some Ten Fidy.

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2681/34483/

I did find it interesting that several places in the article it mentioned that the Benwood Plan changed community attitudes.

Is the article trying to say angry white people are worse than Muslim terrorists?

So we shouldn't hate Muslims?

"A very prominent conservative Republican consultant called me last night and said that he spoke to Ann Romney over the weekend and Ann said if Mitt runs, he will run as the first divorced Mormon candidate for the president of the United States," Zogby said

 

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/republicans-polls/2015/01/13/id/618393/

Makes me wonder if Romney still has trouble with basic levels of truthfulness . . .

Romney said that his wife, Ann, is "very encouraging" about 2016, the source said, but his sons are split about the idea, the source who was in the room said.

Though we do enjoy a readership among Muslims inside and outside of the United States, some of whom have not hesitated to express displeasure or worse at our coverage of stories such as the Israel-Palestine conflict, none has seen the Charlie Hebdo cartoons as worth sending an angry email or even an annoyed tweet, much less a threat of violence.

 

Our coverage of Islamophobia has brought a very different response. Articles decrying anti-Muslim bigotry and attacks on mosques have been met with dozens of threats on email and social media.

 

The most common states a desire that jihadist militants will murder the offending writer: a recent email hoped that Muslims will "behead you one day" so that "we will never have to read your trash again." Some directly threaten violence themselves, or imply it with statements such as "May you rot in hell."

 

Others express a desire to murder all Muslims — one simply read "I agree with maher Kill them all" — also often implying the emailed journalist is themselves Muslim. One pledge to attack Vox writers begins, "f#*k you and any c**t who believes in allah."

 

As is often the case, the strongest threats have been reserved for women. One writer received a message arguing that someone should "put a gun up your ass" to make her understand terrorism.

 

Ironically, these threats are typically couched in arguments that Muslims are inherently irrational and violent. Further, threats made with the explicit intention of silencing journalists from discussing Islamophobia are positioned as necessary "defenses" of free speech against the threat of Islam. The people making the threats seem unaware that they are themselves seeking to curb the very free speech they pretend to uphold.

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/14/7541095/charlie-hebdo-muslims-threats

 

Here's one idea:

http://www.pdkmembers.org/members_online/publications/Archive/pdf/k0810sil.pdf

That is very interesting. I think that was written in 2008. I would be interested in knowing who those 8 elementary schools are doing now. I remember only one being mentioned by name in the report and when looking here, herehttp://www.schooldigger.com/go/TN/schoolrank.aspx , that school was still ranked 720th in the state.

 

I do like some of the things in the plan. First, I liked how it started. All teachers needed to reapply. This allows you to keep good ones and get rid of bad ones. That also makes all of them realize...hey...we are serious here. So, very few were taken out of the school system. But, it still sends a message that improvement needs to happen. THEN, the teachers were given the tools (support) needed to improve. So, you have shown them they MUST improve and you have given them the tools to improve,

THEN, they were incentivized financially to improve.

 

So...hey...you want more pay? Let's earn the pay.

 

That said, I am actually shocked the teacher's union allowed that. Anytime I have ever read an article or seen a report on performance incentive for teachers, it was met with strong opposition from the union.

 

I agree with this. Teachers unions (and other unions for that matter) who focus so strongly on short term financial/job security are a huge obstacle to change.