AllNRed

I may get bashed for this, but I think he is small for a LB in the B1G. I understand that they said the same thing about David, but David had a knowledge of the game you can't teach. He always found his way to the ball. I am not saying that Gerry can't or doesn't have that, but we have yet to see that in the collegiate level. If he gains some weight, I would agree with him playing at LB, but 210lbs isn't going to cut it, unless he has the intangibles that David had. Williams played in the Big 12, where offensive lines weren't as big, and speed become more favorable over there. I am not taking anything away from him, but it would be interesting to see if he could do what David did.

In the B1G the largest OLine is Wisconsin's where a great deal of them are around 320 lbs. The largest average OLine in the Big XII is OU where they average around 310 lbs. KU actually has a man-child at OT who weights 340 lbs, but most every line in the Big XII is comparable to the lines we face in the B1G.

L.David's ability was questioned in the Big XII since he stepped in due to injuries. And even after a monster year, he was questioned again our first year in the B1G and still flourished being the only Pre-season All American to stay healthy the entire season for us. Nathan Gerry is solid and he's faster than L.David. The instinct factor may set them apart as L.David handled his business and we have yet to see Nate play at this level. But we also can't ignore that Nate will also have better athletes around him as he is growing into his position.

In other words, I think he will be alright.

So out of curiosity, I thought I would go back and remind myself of what the BTN crew had to say about our team last year. An overview of their comments were:

 

- Defensive line is very impressive and athletic. They have real speed coming off the edges

- An extremely deep defense with a whole lot of speed

- Hard to imagine this defense not be very, very good

 

 

In actuality, the defense was the opposite of deep, wasn't particularly fast, and most would categorize as average.

Well we had some speed in E.Martin (4.53) & J. Ankrah (4.68). And as someone pointed out, some of the guys they were raving about redshirted. Also to be noted is that our secondary was one of the best in the nation last year. Had we had a little bit of depth or avoided a couple injures in the trenches we'd of been alright.

Besides, this years defense is a hell of a lot faster than last years at all three levels. Especially the LBs.

I'm a fan of The Longest Yard....old & new version

I'm probably going to get some backlash for saying this, but what the heck I'll say it anyway...

 

We don't need an alternate uniform game. Period. We are Nebraska.

 

The only thing somewhat decent about last season's alternate uniform game were the helmets. The uniforms on the other hand, in my opinion, were a joke.

 

It's not a matter of what we "need", it's a matter of what is wanted.

 

Regardless, what does the statement in red have to do with the statement in black?

Fair point with the "need" vs "want." On a side note, there was no intended meaning behind the statement in black and red. I just used the red text color because it's Nebraska's main color.

 

Anyway, I do think you hit the nail on the head in this discussion. I will concede that many of today's younger generation "want" these alternate uniform games. My point is I just don't think we as a program, based on our tradition and history need to go to these kind of efforts.

If you want to compete for the youth you have to be appealing to them in any way you possibly can. You see a lot of the more "traditional" football powers have all had some sort of alt uni. It's not a since of selling out, but just keeping up with the times. Kids like new unis. Not all of them want to look like the huskers of the 60s and 70s. You have to adapt with the times. Not saying go all Oregon or Maryland, but have an option there to be able to market to a recruit.

I'm so glad that they've completely made the switch to white shoes. They look so much better.

I like the shoes they wore with the alternative jerseys last year. Seeing those things in person was bananas.

Glover, Suh, Winstrom, David, Peters

 

Well to start this off, you did quote me right? Confrontational? Maybe you shouldn't take someone disagreeing with you so f'ing personal. Take your panties off man, not one time did I attack you or belittle you in your post, let alone get confrontational. I did state that I don't think Heard is a HUGE loss. His a loss, but its not huge.

 

Confrontational.....yes. I stated a general response and you came back with....."did I say that"....And the belittling is a cliche you are bitching about, not me. I never complained about belittling or an attack.....if it was present, I'm sure my feelings still wouldn't be hurt....because I find it hard to give a damn, honestly......just the way I was built.

 

Also, I highly doubt you know either of these two personally. If you do, I am sure they didn't tell you why players weren't playing. How can we honestly say that Heard was that good of a back? We saw him on 50 carries, when the defense was already worn down. He didn't play enough to say he was "completely talented". I do think he was a talented back, but if he was this "amazing" RB you said he is, why in the f#*k would we be switching him to CB and WR? Shouldn't he clearly be our #1 guy in our running game?

 

I the energy to care what you "highly doubt" as I didn't quote it to gain any brownie points from you. But in my profession, I deal with the student athletes at UNL often, not just football. Some of them are really good guys, others not so much, more of the typical "jock" if you will. I've dealt with Heard a few times, even taken him up to Omaha a couple times when he and a couple other players did some volunteering for youth program last year. Coach Brown I've known from church functions. He's actually a really good guy. And yes, I do talk football sometimes during those functions.

But anyway, since you have taken it that way, I didn't state this as to say, they came to me with the ins and outs of Heard's dealings. I simply stated it because based on my dealings with them and what we all see on the field, through media, etc...this is the perception I got.

And I see you completely ignored the information that I asked you to share with me, which lets me know you didn't know much of anything, but rather tried to jump subjects yet again but "highly doubting" I knew anybody involved with the program.... It's all good though....you're comical.

AA was good at reading blocks, but he was too small to block those DT/DE. Look at the MSU game for instance. Every blitz brought it, AA was knocked on his ass. It's not a knock on him, but its something you expect to happen when you have a small RB blocking.

And I will go back and watch the MSU game... Not saying he hasn't been thrown around, I just said, I don't recall ever seeing it and if it did happen it wasn't often. After my Spurs win this championship........I have nothing to watch on television so normally the months of June/July I'm normally looking at old Husker games......it's my favorite part of the summer.

Anyway, just so you know, we seem to be saying the same thing, yet again. I don't see a reason to continue to debate/argue/etc....another subject in this thread with you. I didn't wait 4 years to post on this forum to debate silly little details with the same poster over and over again, whom has the same conclusion as I do, but doesn't agree with how I came up with the conclusion......Get a grip dude.

We shouldn't act like losing Heard was no big deal, He was one top RB prospects of the 2010 class and we had high expectations do to his ability when he finally qualified and joined the team. No we aren't hurting with his departure as we have some great talent coming in, but we did lose a decent athlete.

 

Who said it wasn't a big deal? I never stated that. But really, is it that big of a deal? Based on your analysis, the kid couldn't pick up the blitz, your words not mine, so why do you think he would have seen the field more than Cross, Newby and/or Taylor? There are more reasons than the ones you stated, on why he wasn't on the field more this year. AA could pick up the blitz, but he got thrown around like a rag doll when it did happen.

 

But really, losing Heard, is it that big of a deal? It takes a notch out of our depth, but I do not think its that big of a deal. There is a reason he was being asked to play WR as well.

Do you purposely try to take offense to everything I say? Are you really dying to be confrontational with me? Or are you truly having problems comprehending what I am saying?......

I didn't say that you said it wasn't a big deal....I was speaking in general terms.......I said WE shouldn't act like losing Heard isn't a big deal.....why, because he was a talented back. To state otherwise is ignorance. Yes, I stated he couldn't pick up a blitz. AA being thrown around like a rag doll I've yet to see. No he wasn't consistent all the time, sometimes he picked up the wrong side/rusher, but never seen him man handled. Even if he was, it wasn't so often that we should label him weak in pass protection.

You first stated that it his "hammy" injury and it's after effects makes you wonder if there were other issues, in other words you don't know if there is. But now you say that "there are other reasons why he didn't see the field other than the ones I stated" as if now you have some information I don't. Being that I know B.Heard personally, and Coach Brown, I haven't heard (no pun intended) of any secret reasons that kept him from seeing the field. Please enlighten me.

" Beck's system shows it can hit from different angles in the offense, whether that be the RB, the QB's running ability, or the WR. And in a hurry up offense, you see more passing than you do running anyway, which is something Beck tends to do to get the defense on it's heels."

 

 

Since the stats aren't exactly easy to come across, here you go. We ran the ball in Beck's offense 64% of the time I believe it was stated. As you pointed out, we dont run from the no-huddle all the time. but to claim that it isnt a huge staple of our offense wouldnt be accurate. Based on the stats that we have at hand, I can adequately conclude that we didnt pass more from the no-huddle offense than we ran. Again, your statement, how should I say this, is misguided. I can't say with 100% certainty that you are incorrect, but the odds are in my favor. Again, even when we go no-huddle, we will not pass more than we run.

I dig what you are saying but I guess without one of us actually going in and creating the stats ourselves or stumbling across someone who has done it, then we basically have our own perceptions to go by. I'm not arguing that we aren't a run first offense. I, not in this thread, have mentioned many times that regardless of how talented our WRs get, running will and should always be our bread & butter. The hurry up offense is a huge staple of Beck's system, because of how effective it is when he uses it. That doesn't mean he runs it all the time or most of the time. Sometimes we confuse the hurry up offense with the no huddle offense, which is actually what Beck does most often. I believe he calls it the "Check with me" factor.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you or anyone else pointing to our overall stats on run vs pass. I'm simply stating that if you watch the games we play, when we actually go into the hurry up offense, the RB often times becomes the slot receiver thus spreading the defense then a little more rather than running to the line only to see the defense load the box repeatedly.

Do I agree that AA won't get to 1500? Yes. But not for the reason that you gave "We go no huddle and Beck passes more out of the no huddle offense." That simply Isn't the case bra.

Umm, my reasoning was due to the no huddle offense bra..... That was just a subject that was brought up in the conversation.

http://espn.go.com/c.../ameer-abdullah

The only verified testing numbers for Ameer Abdullah. These are at a combine he attended in HS for what it's worth. For future reference, unless there is a checkmark indicating verfication on Rivals or combine results in the bottom right portion of a recruit's Scout.com profile, the times are self reported and more often than not inaccurate. The numbers HuskerNationNick pulled from NFLdraftscout are also inaccurate. These are estimated times based on what their scouts see on film. When a prospect goes to the combine or works out at a pro day the numbers on that site are adjusted, often fairly significantly. Hope that ends your argument.

Thanks. I think the argument should have ended a long time ago. Especially since the argument stimulated from a comment that he was only slightly faster than Rex. The 4.6 here lets me know that my small comment wasn't too off base.

 

Back to the original subject, as I stated early in the thread, I don't see him getting 1500 yards even if he is 100% healthy all season and the guys behind him all turn out to be busts. Beck's system shows it can hit from different angles in the offense, whether that be the RB, the QB's running ability, or the WR. And in a hurry up offense, you see more passing than you do running anyway, which is something Beck tends to do to get the defense on it's heels.

 

But truthfully I think at least one of the back ups (Taylor) will turn out to be as good as hyped or better, to provide another option from the back field, so there's no way AA gets close to 1500, IMO.

 

Only 3 RBs in NU's history has ever excited 1500 in a season. I love Ameer but he's no Ahman Green/Mike Rozier/Lawrence Phillips

 

We will not pass more than we run.

That's not what I stated.

 

K. But your theory was still proven wrong. You don't see more throwing in the offense we ran last year than you do passing. You are wrong. Deal with it.

Trying too hard, bro. It's not that big a issue.

You jump in with a retort that had nothing to do with what I stated, and when it's address you come back with "K. But your theory is still proven wrong".......

Proven wrong how.....did you have the stats from when we are running a hurry up offense? No you didn't you just have the over all plays that we ran for the entire year, so once again, ignoring what I actually stated, and showing me stats to show something else doesn't prove or disprove anything. If you can somehow show those stats that show what I stated is wrong then I'll gladly retract my comment.

I voted no. There is no way he is big enough to carry the ball that many times. He started last year due to Burkhead being out, but I don't think he was our best backup. Our best backup just left for another team.....again.

Then why didnt Heard come in when Rex got hurt?

 

The doghouse theory has been debunked on numerous occasions.

Injury kept him out. Only injury. We lost a good one there.

 

I know he had the hammy issue, but it makes you wonder if it really effected him all season, or there were other reasons. We will never know, but it makes you wonder.

Pulled groin. But Heard's main issue that kept him off the field consistently was his ability to pick up the blitz. In 2011 protecting the QB was the highest priority for the backs due to the lack of depth (serious lack of depth) behind Martinez. None of the triplets were able to do this at the level Beck & Brown would like for the backs to do consistently. This is one of the reasons we saw Rex in late in games even after the game was decided. After that season, Braylon was practicing on the other side of the ball, so he wasn't able to utilize the off season to work on what he needed to, in order to be a better and more consistent back for our system.. Aaron Green transferred and then just before the start of fall camp, Heard moves back with the RBs, never having the opportunity to spend any time working with Coach Brown in the spring, thus he came back into his sophomore year with the same issues as the season before. Then add the fact that Ameer was the only back outside of Rex to come into fall camp when game time experience and off season guidance under their position coach. Then he also got the injury mid season, so he had a few things working against him from getting on the field as much as he would have liked.

We shouldn't act like losing Heard was no big deal, He was one top RB prospects of the 2010 class and we had high expectations do to his ability when he finally qualified and joined the team. No we aren't hurting with his departure as we have some great talent coming in, but we did lose a decent athlete.

Back to the original subject, as I stated early in the thread, I don't see him getting 1500 yards even if he is 100% healthy all season and the guys behind him all turn out to be busts. Beck's system shows it can hit from different angles in the offense, whether that be the RB, the QB's running ability, or the WR. And in a hurry up offense, you see more passing than you do running anyway, which is something Beck tends to do to get the defense on it's heels.

 

 

2012

373 Pass attempts

662 rush attempts

 

64% rushing

 

Not to start a 2000 post argument, but the reason for a hurry up offense, is to not allow the defense time to substitute and make it difficult for them to make adjustments. This, as you should know, tires the defense and allows for bigger plays to develop. This also it turn allows more plays to develop offensively in general, whether its passing or rushing. In WVU case, it was more passing plays, but this is Nebraska, we will never pass more than we run.

 

WVU 2012:

532 Pass Attempts.

469 Rush attempts

The numbers you posted are our total plays we ran of each. We nor any team stays in the hurry up offense the entire time on the field. I agree we will never pass more than we run, but if you look at the teams who utilize the hurry up offense, notice that they are not rushing to the line to hand off the ball, there is a screen, play action, slant more than likely to consistently be seen in the drive. Our rushing attempts occupied a lot of our 4th quarters also which is our offense keeping a "foot on the neck" of the opposing defenses. You know wear them down til the final whistle.

I have no argument to what you are saying, just my comment is specifically about when we run the hurry up offense.

http://espn.go.com/c.../ameer-abdullah

The only verified testing numbers for Ameer Abdullah. These are at a combine he attended in HS for what it's worth. For future reference, unless there is a checkmark indicating verfication on Rivals or combine results in the bottom right portion of a recruit's Scout.com profile, the times are self reported and more often than not inaccurate. The numbers HuskerNationNick pulled from NFLdraftscout are also inaccurate. These are estimated times based on what their scouts see on film. When a prospect goes to the combine or works out at a pro day the numbers on that site are adjusted, often fairly significantly. Hope that ends your argument.

Thanks. I think the argument should have ended a long time ago. Especially since the argument stimulated from a comment that he was only slightly faster than Rex. The 4.6 here lets me know that my small comment wasn't too off base.

 

Back to the original subject, as I stated early in the thread, I don't see him getting 1500 yards even if he is 100% healthy all season and the guys behind him all turn out to be busts. Beck's system shows it can hit from different angles in the offense, whether that be the RB, the QB's running ability, or the WR. And in a hurry up offense, you see more passing than you do running anyway, which is something Beck tends to do to get the defense on it's heels.

 

But truthfully I think at least one of the back ups (Taylor) will turn out to be as good as hyped or better, to provide another option from the back field, so there's no way AA gets close to 1500, IMO.

 

Only 3 RBs in NU's history has ever excited 1500 in a season. I love Ameer but he's no Ahman Green/Mike Rozier/Lawrence Phillips

 

We will not pass more than we run.

That's not what I stated.

http://espn.go.com/c.../ameer-abdullah

The only verified testing numbers for Ameer Abdullah. These are at a combine he attended in HS for what it's worth. For future reference, unless there is a checkmark indicating verfication on Rivals or combine results in the bottom right portion of a recruit's Scout.com profile, the times are self reported and more often than not inaccurate. The numbers HuskerNationNick pulled from NFLdraftscout are also inaccurate. These are estimated times based on what their scouts see on film. When a prospect goes to the combine or works out at a pro day the numbers on that site are adjusted, often fairly significantly. Hope that ends your argument.

Thanks. I think the argument should have ended a long time ago. Especially since the argument stimulated from a comment that he was only slightly faster than Rex. The 4.6 here lets me know that my small comment wasn't too off base.

Back to the original subject, as I stated early in the thread, I don't see him getting 1500 yards even if he is 100% healthy all season and the guys behind him all turn out to be busts. Beck's system shows it can hit from different angles in the offense, whether that be the RB, the QB's running ability, or the WR. And in a hurry up offense, you see more passing than you do running anyway, which is something Beck tends to do to get the defense on it's heels.

But truthfully I think at least one of the back ups (Taylor) will turn out to be as good as hyped or better, to provide another option from the back field, so there's no way AA gets close to 1500, IMO.

Only 3 RBs in NU's history has ever excited 1500 in a season. I love Ameer but he's no Ahman Green/Mike Rozier/Lawrence Phillips

This is an interesting topic to be sure but I am less interested in who gets the yards and more concerned with having a balanced offense that keeps defenses guessing. For the first time in many years we have depth and skill at running back, wide receiver and quarterback. The O line has decent skill, experience and help from a few juco guys for depth. Turnovers would be what keeps us from being one of the premier offenses in the country. If the defense can make more stops and cause some turnovers this offense will be lightning.

Good Post.....and yea, this is something that was brought up in an interview on the radio a couple weeks back......the depth at the skill positions is the best we've seen in quite some time. With all of the complaining about our O-Line, very few can argue how effective they are when creating enough holes for the RBs to have a great season. Turnovers will be, as it has been the previous years, the biggest priority to fix if we want to be the offensive threat that we could be.

I am so done talking to you AllNRed. You are a piece of work, and MUCH worse than Hedley. At least that dude could admit when he was wrong. The link I provided, showed ALL 3 of his times ran that day, so wouldn't you f'ing take his FASTEST f'ing TIME, since after all HE DID RUN IT, its a recorded time there?!

 

Its people like you that pull knowledgable people away from forums. Its honestly ok to be wrong every once in a while, seriously. To even think that Abdullah is slower than Burkhead is laughable on its own, but you have it stuck in your head that its true. Even if AA was to beat him in a footrace, you would still argue that he was slower, because it was a "different drill"

 

I could care less if you think I lose credibility, but you should learn how to be respectful to others when replying. I have yet to sit here and belittle you, except calling you a piece of work, because you simply are. I am done with you, and your senseless posts. Your Gods gift to Husker football and know everything about it. Everyone is wrong, I understand it.

 

I'll make it easier for you both...

 

Neither of them are "fast"

I stated that in the beginning of this convo......somehow that led someone to trying to stress AA is a 4.3 athlete.

I am so done talking to you AllNRed. You are a piece of work, and MUCH worse than Hedley. At least that dude could admit when he was wrong. The link I provided, showed ALL 3 of his times ran that day, so wouldn't you f'ing take his FASTEST f'ing TIME, since after all HE DID RUN IT, its a recorded time there?!

 

Its people like you that pull knowledgable people away from forums. Its honestly ok to be wrong every once in a while, seriously. To even think that Abdullah is slower than Burkhead is laughable on its own, but you have it stuck in your head that its true. Even if AA was to beat him in a footrace, you would still argue that he was slower, because it was a "different drill"

 

I could care less if you think I lose credibility, but you should learn how to be respectful to others when replying. I have yet to sit here and belittle you, except calling you a piece of work, because you simply are. I am done with you, and your senseless posts. Your Gods gift to Husker football and know everything about it. Everyone is wrong, I understand it.

Go cry to someone else, homie. If you are going to complain about my statements the least you could do is actually mention things that I said......It's not my fault you take everything personally. I enjoy talking husker football as much as the next fan. It's just some don't know how to simply disagree with others without having their emotions pour into their posts.......

I'll help you out. I never stated that AA was slower than Rex. I said he is just a bit faster. You tried to make it seem like he was a "burner". Stating that he came out of high school running a 4.3. That statement was false. So excuse me for thinking your post sounds a bit dumb placing me in an argument that I never stated. (P.S. since you brought up foot races, I witnessed L.David & Ameer in a foot race, you want to know how that turned out? Then again you'd probably ignore it because it's not on the SCOUT website....)

I said one of the reasons he wasn't offered by his home schools, Auburn/Bama, is his speed (along with size & he didn't want to play DB). You stressed that he was offered because he was going by one recruiting service and ignoring 2 others as well as the articles that covered AA's recruitment up to his signing day.

Patronizing is a coward-like action, IMO. I never stated I was "God's gift to Husker Football", "know everything", or anything of that sort. I'm a piece of work....I can live with that statement, but your comprehension/understanding/logic needs work. (that would fall into the category of belittling....)

#1......in post #40 did you or did you not state he ran a 4.3 out of high school?....You did and that is FALSE. (I don't know what you mean by a 3.8, I hope you aren't referring to his 40 yd dash)

 

#2......4.4 and a 4.49 is a bit of a different view when looking at RBs, but I get it.....

 

#3......And the credibility falls off again. (oops sorry to belittle you). Rex got 98 carries this season. Had he had 188 carries at 6.8 ypc that's somewhere around 1300 yards on the season. Just sayin'. Now let's look at who those carries came against.

 

I said that Alabama offered Abdullah, according to Scout. That is all. Whether it was for RB or CB, he was offered, again according to Scout.

 

I said he ran a 4.38 out of high school, and you asked for proof, I gave it to you. My info is wrong, but yours is right? I don't get how you think that. You know ESPN has him running a 4.6 right? Maybe they are right!

 

You stated that he currently runs a 4.5X, and I said he ran a 4.4X. You asked for proof, I gave you the NFL Scout website showing his most recent recorded 40. YOU can't show anything, but again, I am wrong according to you.

 

You really don't need to be so rude when you reply. Its a conversation, and there is no need for your attitude. I disagree with your evaluations, I prove why I disagree, and you sit here and tell me I am full of sh#t. I don't even care to talk about what Abdullah ran. Its a waste of my energy. This will be my last post about that.

 

Now...

 

To your #3, I lose credibility because you can't read? Here I will post so you can read it again and realize what was being said. YOU sir asked why Helu didn't break 1500 and I gave you my reasoning...

 

And since we are on subject.....if top end speed is the reason Rex didn't run for 1500 yards, what was the reason Roy didn't get there? He's just as fast as our QB. (RH jr. 4.42, TM 4.47)#3

#3- 188 carries, THAT is why he didn't get 1500. Had he have gotten the ball at least 240 times like Burkhead his Junior year, he would have shattered 1500. He averaged 6.8 yards/carry. Rozier averaged 7 when he hit his all time high, 1689 his Junior year, off of 242 attempts.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard.

-According to SCOUT, they say Alabama and Auburn offered Ameer late in the process. Do you know exactly when? Here's a fun fact.......AA was the #10 prospect out of Alabama in the 2011 class. As of Jan 20, 2011 (the date he commited to NU) he hadn't received an offer from neither Bama or Auburn......funny thing is, less than a week after his commit, and offer from Auburn comes in. He was gave the Husker nation a brief scare after announcing that he will be visiting Auburn that weekend. The visit was cancelled an he upheld his commitment to NU. All of this was announce on the 26th of January.

http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/In-state-athlete-to-visit-Auburn-12656

Up to that day there was still no offer from Bama......so when did SCOUT get the inside info on an offer to AA. He signed his L.O.I. along with the rest of the class less than 2 weeks later. And why is it that Rivals/247sports doesn't have him even having an interest in Bama during the time of his commitment. Remember he cancelled a visit to USC day or two before committing to us.

According to this Bama didn't offer Ameer nor had him as a target, or him even interested in becoming a member of the tide:

http://alabama.247sports.com/Season/2011-Football/Offers

-I asked you where does it states he ran anywhere near a 4.3 out of high school. You posted a link that I already mentioned as the link of an article that I had already mention that was called out for having flaws in the facts given, one of them being his 40 time......you don't see any recruiting service or any other article stating he ran a 4.3 coming out of high school but there's a few links that show him running a 4.51 but that means nothing because SCOUT obviously has it correct because it matches your view.

-and yes I stated he runs a 4.5......this link that YOU provide as of May 2013 shows he runs a 4.49....... But you got caught up in the "low" 4.40 and ignored the "high" 4.59.

-and I've said nothing rude to you homie.....stop the emotion stuff. If you really think I'm being rude. Ignore me. Don't respond to me. It's not like I'm going to cyber stalk you and force you to reply to anything I say.... You are choosing to respond. You are determined to keep pushing you view. I mentioned a couple times that I don't understand why we are debating because we both gave the same prediction as far as result for AA's season, yet you continue to ramble and bring in other claims that are totally off base. I, lately just so happen to be so board in my office that I was willing to give you the attention and respond to it, because not much is going on in the recruiting word at the moment for NU.

-and you're credibility fell off because what you were stating was wrong, not because I "can't read" (how rude.....) Your reason behind Helu not reaching 1500 yards could be said about any back in our history. Of course if they get more carries, they will most likely get more yards. Braylon Heard last season carried the ball 52 times for 348 yards. That's 6.7 ypc.....if he had gotten (a lot) more carries he could have gotten 1500 yards. But he was our 1st option behind Burkhead. Helu had more carries than any other back 3 out of the 4 seasons he played for NU (tied with Sr. RB Marlon Lucky with 125 carries in 2008). It's safe to say he was a 1st option, meaning he had less of a reason that Heard, not to get more carries. Your logic was an epic fail......if you think me pointing that out is rude....then so be it.

Why in God's name would anyone spend 5 minutes typing out a text?

That's pretty fast for a man who's blind as a bat, terrible at multitasking, and has ADHD.......

 

AA at around 1000, Martinez around 1000, Cross around 500 and the other backs combined around 1000 would be ideal.

That's a damn good offense. Especially when you add in the production of the strongest group on the team, the WRs.

 

We had 3500 yards rushing last year.

Help me out here......did you want me to rebuttal this or.........what? Not sure what the point of pointing this out was......just in case......here........"no we only ran for 3300"

#1- Do you read what you want to read, and not comprehend what is actually being said? I said that he ran a 3.8 OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL and now runs a 4.4X due to the weight he has gained. USAToday, Seattle Times and a couple other websites also concur the 4.38. 247/Rivals says a 4.51, 2011-... which was not out of high school and this isn't stated ANYWHERE else besides there. Maybe they ran their own workout for him, since they have him slower. But that still doesn't help your statement.

 

#2- I stated that he runs a 4.4X NOW, that is why I posted TWO links, to prove BOTH of my statements.

 

#3- 188 carries, THAT is why he didn't get 1500. Had he have gotten the ball at least 240 times like Burkhead his Junior year, he would have shattered 1500. He averaged 6.8 yards/carry. Rozier averaged 7 when he hit his all time high, 1689 his Junior year, off of 242 attempts.

 

 

AA at around 1000, Martinez around 1000, Cross around 500 and the other backs combined around 1000 would be ideal.

That's a damn good offense. Especially when you add in the production of the strongest group on the team, the WRs.

 

We had 3500 yards rushing last year.

 

Oh yeah, also about your "Abdullah didn't get offered by Alabama because of his speed". I am not sure if that is 100%, but according to scout, they did offer him.

 

http://recruiting.sc...c=1&nid=4977342---Bottom of page for offer list.

 

http://georgia.scout.../2/1252440.html

Auburn and Alabama didn’t offer him until late in the recruiting process.

Wow.....what is wrong with you?

#1......in post #40 did you or did you not state he ran a 4.3 out of high school?....You did and that is FALSE. (I don't know what you mean by a 3.8, I hope you aren't referring to his 40 yd dash). And Seattle Times.....that's the article you are going by......check to see who the journalist who wrote the article then go back and read post #43....I already address that. Eric Olson. I wish I can find the tweets that called him on the mistake he stated in that article, but it really isn't worth searching for as you do pay attention anyway because they go against what you are claiming. You sound like you depend on Scout to give you the most accurate info about a prospect. Which is fine. I try to follow them, 247, & rivals as well as well as a couple other sources. I'm at work and for some reason the Scout sites are blocked so I would have to wait til I get to my office at home to see just where it states that AA was offered by Bama. As a matter of fact, I'll see if I can find his interview where he talked about his recruitment by the two home schools. He stated that neither looked at him as a RB prospect because of his size/speed. They wanted him on the defensive side of the ball. Auburn actually gave him an offer. He was reluctant to accept because he wanted to see what programs would give him a chance at the RB position. That's when the staff made his move and got the commitment by offering him the best chance to succeed. Bama wasn't in the running for his commitment because he didn't want to play on the other side of the ball (which explains why B.Heard was first approached about playing DB after seeing how none of the triplets got many reps as freshmen)

Edit: Here's an article that touches briefly on the Bama/Auburn recruiting: Towards the middle of the article this passage you'll find this.......

Alabama viewed Abdullah as a cornerback prospect. There was at least clarity in that. Auburn, with an offense then under Gus Malzahn's direction, discussed running back with him at first. But within weeks of an offer, Auburn assistant Trooper Taylor passed through Homewood. He asked Abdullah what he thought about playing defensive back. Abdullah's heart sank. "I was like, man, why can't they see past the size, give me a chance?" Abdullah said.

Pelini was the lone head coach to sit on the Abdullahs' couch. He told Abdullah that he guaranteed nothing, except that he'd put Abdullah in the best possible position to be the best player he could be. That sealed it: Abdullah would be a Cornhusker.

But I don't see anywhere that states Bama extended an offer to AA. As a matter of fact I remember on the radio (1620 the zone) fans asking why was it that Ameer wasn't offered at RB.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/brian_hamilton/11/16/ameer-abdullah-nebraska/index.html#ixzz2UFZeT5hK

#2......4.4 and a 4.49 is a bit of a different view when looking at RBs, but I get it.....

#3......And the credibility falls off again. (oops sorry to belittle you). Rex got 98 carries this season. Had he had 188 carries at 6.8 ypc that's somewhere around 1300 yards on the season. Just sayin'. Now let's look at who those carries came against.

-3 for 68 yards vs So Miss

-8 for 119 yards vs Idaho St

-18 for 86 yards vs Wisconsin

-14 for 119 yards vs Ohio St.

-4 for 18 yards vs Northwestern

-16 for 69 yards vs Iowa

-11 for 61 yards vs Wisconsin (CCG)

-24 for 140 yards vs Georgia (Bowl)

Now based on your ability to point out the strongest rush defenses we faced this season......It shows he didn't play at all against two of the teams (MSU/PSU). He left after 4 carries vs one of them (NwU). And ran 29 times for 155 yards (5.3 ypc). Please stop suggesting that he would have stayed somewhere around 6.8. Especially sense he only averaged 4.3 vs Iowa where 2/3s of our plays were given to the backs.

Anything else you care to bring up......I'm still trying to figure out why it is we are still debating..... but I'll play along for the time being....

AA at around 1000, Martinez around 1000, Cross around 500 and the other backs combined around 1000 would be ideal.

That's a damn good offense. Especially when you add in the production of the strongest group on the team, the WRs.

Here we go again with the comprehension issue. I said stats can be manipulated to fit a persons opinion. Not rushing YPG.....in other words I was simply showing you how I had a different perception based on the list I had viewed. They had teams in order of the TOTAL rushing yards allowed by the defense, thus, for example, Wisconsin was ranked #30. But if you go by the YPG in which you pointed out, it had Wisconsin at #13 I believe. Damn bro, read my post and understand it before you get to mouthing off. I was agreeing with your post once I looked at the list......And no where did I belittle you post, don't be so emotional.

 

-Now here's where your credibility in your argument falls off.....Ameer Abdullah NEVER ran a 4.3 or close to it. You show me where it's recorded that he runs a 4.3. There was a journalist (Eric Olson I believe) who stated the same thing and was called on it. One of the reasons he wasn't offered at Bama was his speed. Why would they offer a kid who runs a 4.43 (Demetrius Hart) over a kid who runs a 4.3? And Rex Burkhead came out high running 4.46 official. Ameer Abdullah 4.51 official. So with his weight gain how would he be a low 4.4. And how do you know what AA's top end speed is, let alone if it's faster than Rex's. Both have been run down by LBs/DBs. I see the point you are trying to make but your statement is false.

 

-And it seems as though you either really have a problem understanding my references or you purposely act like you don't understand them because they go against your claims.....I mentioned previous backs, mainly 3 of our best backs in history were the only ones to eclipse 1500 yards in a season to point out that it is not an easy task, also to point out that just because a RB doesn't get to 1500 yards, doesn't mean he didn't have a good season. No one is claiming Roy Helu's Sr. season a dud....he ran for 1200+ yards. What about Rex's Jr. season where as he was the workhorse. He finished that season with 1400 yards. I mean damn man, do you just love to argue or just need attention.

 

We practically said the same thing, just had different reasons for why we came to the conclusion. I'm kind of lost on why you are still trying to debate with me. You don't agree with my reasoning, fine......but you're not even arguing my reasoning....you're arguing a totally different subject.

 

Sigh, again, you ask for proof of my statements, but you don't show anything from your end.

 

SCOUT

Abdullah, who runs a 4.38-second 40-yard dash, was all business during summer workouts and went into preseason practice willing to do anything to get on the field. He won the battle for the kick return job four days before the opener against Chattanooga and is listed as a co-No. 2 I-back behind Rex Burkhead.

 

Right now via NFL Draft Scout

 

40 Low: 4.40 40 Time: 4.4940 High:4.59

 

Again, I have proof to back up my statements.

 

Me loving to argue? I am just pointing out that you obviously don't have your facts right, when you sit here and tell me I don't know the the f#*k I am talking about? Your not belittling? What the f#*k do you call this?

 

"-Now here's where your credibility in your argument falls off...."

"I see the point you are trying to make but your statement is false."

"I mean damn man, do you just love to argue or just need attention."

 

You sit here and tell me I am wrong, my creditibility falls, I love to argue, but your the one saying this BS, and yet you show no proof of your statements.

 

OH... and the reason Rex never broke 1500 was because he has NO TOP END SPEED! Would you like to debate that too, or you have proof you can't show to call me a liar and tell me I don't know what I am talking about?

You stated that he runs a 4.3 yet you show a link that says he runs a 4.4 low 4.49 high....?????......ok. And you used Scout..........247sports & Rivals both have him running a 4.51. What do you mean there's no proof. Just like you googled everything else I just figured you would google them also, but obviously it went against your 4.3 claim so it's my responsibility to post the link. I'm guess the people at scout ran a separate workout for him than others since they have him faster. But that still doesn't help your original statement.

The three quotes of my you used is belittling....nevermind that they were for my most recent response to you, which was after you said I was belittling you. Maybe I'll read up at my posts to see exact what you are talking about........as far as I know, belittling is to put down or make another person feel like they aren't important. I don't think I ever made the attempt of doing that to you, yet you are taking it that way thus that is not my fault for you being so emotional. Especially when you feel like statements like "I see the point you are trying to make but your statement is false" is belittling......I don't know what to tell you. Oh, well.

And yes, I say you love to argue as we have both came to the same conclusion/assessment/whatever of how Ameer's production will most likely end. You think it's for one reason, I think it's due to another, but it's still the same conclusion, yet you are still rambling at me about stuff that has nothing to do with Ameer's production this year. I think you are getting too emotional. Especially when you feel the need to type out curse words (with inserted symbols) to specifically show passion in what you are saying as if I said this. ......example I said: "here's where you credibility falls off"...meaning a flaw in your statement. You took it as: "you don't know what the f#%k you're talking about".......... I never made that assessment, because I don't believe that. I feel you are pretty knowledgeable, I just don't agree with certain things you said.

The reason Rex didn't get 1500 is because he has no top end speed?......okay. I never claimed Rex had wheels. I said Ameer wasn't much faster than Rex, which is what sparked you to claim Ameer ran a 4.3 out of high school.......And since we are on subject.....if top end speed is the reason Rex didn't run for 1500 yards, what was the reason Roy didn't get there? He's just as fast as our QB. (RH jr. 4.42, TM 4.47)

P.S. Just because I don't agree with a statement of yours doesn't mean I'm belittling you. You should always feel special regardless of a disagreement on a football message board.

Although none of those excuses can be applied to the Ohio State game.

 

Nope, I am sure I am in a minority here, but they were in the game until mid 3rd quarter. The defense was playing really well up until Miller had his 70 yard run for a score. They lost composure after that. That was the bad thing about this team sometimes. When things would go south. They didn't always keep thier composure and then they would get out of hand real fast. They would start doubting themselves real quick on defense and their just wasn't anyone to pull them back into it.

The Ohio St match is clouded a bit by the ending result. But outside of 2nd quarter, NU played OSU well. The 2nd quarter as you pointed out, once Miller got loose on his big run, the confidence of the defense kind of deflated, which was terrible because they were already at a disadvantage in athleticism. But we continued to play, but by half time had already dug a whole too steep to climb out of. In that showing, you are correct, the composure/confidence of the defense especially dropped a couple notches. OSU was a talented team, but not to the extent they looked that day. Martinez, in attempt to spark the sideline tried to force the issue a few times resulting in a turnovers. It was the perfect storm that we were facing in that game and an obvious example of what a great coach can do with good to great talent, as OSU's roster wasn't much different from the previous season in which they went 6-7 (3-5)