Joe_5700

Surprised to see the line only at -6.5. People seem to still have faith in us.

now at -6. Almost like free money...

 

 

 

 

The Firing: Was Correct

The Hiring: Was Wrong

How hard is this?

Bo Pelini was hired December 3, 2007.

Mike Riley was hired December 4, 2014.

 

Today's date is November 3, 2015.

 

How hard is this?

Well, you must admit that currently it is the wrong hire, right? That is all we have to go on...and the last 30 years of his coaching career.

You don't have to constantly reassess your decisions. Did you think Pelini was the wrong hire when he started his tenure 3-3? Many people think you never judge a coach in his first year.

I don't remember...but I probably did want him canned.

 

2 of those 3 losses were to TOP 10 TEAMS. How anyone would want him fired then... The 2008 season cannot even remotely compare to the 2015 season... We went to a bowl and even won! You can most certainly judge a coach by their first year when they are producing the worst season in over half a century!

I would take Callahan over Riley. At least Callahan had potential, and even showed he could recruit to NU. Callahan's downfall was Cosgrove. That is how bad Riley is, he has made me put Callahan's regime into perspective, that it actually makes me wonder if Callahan was really that bad? Callahan was a banned word in my household.

Just think if he kept Bo!

NU wins 9 or 10 games for 7 straight years, each year finding a player who stepped up and served the role of major playmaker sometimes out of the blue.

 

But now, all of a sudden, NU doesn't have the talent to win 9 or 10 games against arguably the worst schedule they've faced since the mid 2000s.

 

It defies all explanation except that people will tell themselves anything to convince themselves they weren't wrong.

^This times 1000

 

Like 25%+ of our contributing roster is walk-ons.

 

 

I'm not saying we have the talent of a 3-5 team by any means, but a cakewalk to 9 wins this season was not ever going to be. Illinois is a better team than last year, Miami is arguably the same or better, BYU is a better opponent than Macneese State or whoever, Southern Miss is much improved this year, Wisconsin is about on par, Minnesota is slightly down, Iowa is significantly better, MSU is still elite, Northwestern is notably better, Purdue is, believe it or not, quite a bit better than last year as well.

You can twist that any way you want. 3-6 is still 3-6 at the end of the day. And if you want to say Purdue is better because they beat a terrible Nebraska team, then good for you.

 

Also Wisconsin was far better last year. No Gordon, and no Clement when they played us last...

 

Recruits want to come to a winning program with potential for the future. That's not NU right now.

So we have 1 losing season and now we're not a winning program? There aren't many P5 schools with the tradition, facilities, fan support, etc that we have that have the upside we have as well. Now I know having a lot of upside isn't a good thing but being able to walk into a recruits home and tell them "you can start for 4 years and help re-establish one of the national powers in CFB" has to be enticing.

 

I don't think most 17-18 year old recruits know about our tradition, facilities, fan support etc. We have been out of the spotlight for too long unfortunately. After Callahan's system was installed with better pieces in place he had us going in a decent direction. Recruiting looked good for several years, even though we really never completely turned the corner. I think the 2nd USC game sank that ship. Bo raised the ship from the depths, but also could never fully turn the corner or recruit as well as BC.

2008

We lost to 7th ranked Texas Tech in OT

2009

Close loss to 13th ranked VT

The 1 point 1 second loss to Texas

2010

losing to OK in Big12 CG after going up 17-0

If those were wins, we may have been better than 9-10 wins going forward.

Bad news bears Coach. Billy Bob Thorton!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRMx82DYjhQ

 

With all the posters saying that we have all these 'talent' issues old billy bob did a good job, of coaching those misfits.

 

That or Donald Trump, he would make Nebraska great again, he is huge and loved by all recruits. He is great at coaching and he will win so much we will get sick of winning. That and his daughter is hot, so that would be fun to have at the games.

Matthau was the original, and by far the better of the 2 BNB coaches.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I have pretty much resigned myself to this. He'll be here one more year, so the most we can do is hope for the best. This OBrien kid better light the world on fire, though.

 

 

Who is the last prostyle QB to light the world on fire at any point, let alone as a freshman? Connor is pointed to as a prototype for Riley and Langs, but he's an average QB at the college level.

That's what I don't get about those pinning hopes and dreams on POB, who could just as easily be another Harrison Beck or Hackenburg

 

Jameis Winston?

 

 

 

yeah, that's a solid example. wonder if he'd fit what Riley was looking for, though.

 

also wonder if it's realistic to expect that from just about anyone else? That FSU team had a perfect storm going for them. I seem to recall them being utterly dominant on defense and ringing up some huge scores on lesser teams (e.g., 80 points on Idaho).

 

 

Everything starts with strong QB play. Look at FSU this year and what they are struggling with. If we want to contend with the big boys we have to have a SOLID QB

 

First you need a good offensive line. A terrible line makes even the greatest QB look really bad. Remember what happened to Peyton Manning against Nebraska? His line got whipped.

 

Other than the typos and the lack of correcting - spoken words don't always read like carefully drafted, proofread and corrected prose - seems like a reasonably good discussion by Riley. Not sure the exact questions as they are not given. But interesting. Reads like something provided by a coach with 40 years of experience. Nothing surprising there. Only real news is the recruiting item and of course only time will tell on this. I have to believe Riley will do reasonably well in recruiting based on his personality and demeanor. I have not met him in person nor of course had any long conversations so I don't know him in that sense. Based on all that I have seen from his pressers and the many articles and so on, he comes off to me to be a very good and sincere and honest and decent man. Someone that almost rational parent and kid would feel comfortable being around. I can't imagine any recruit or his parents or coaches saying after a recruiting visit "I don't like the man and would not want to play for him!" He should have some success based on that - at least he won't repel the recruits being some kiind of jerk or ass personally.

 

He will recruit as well as anyone in the circumstances, in my opinion. Now, can he go out and recruit the nation's top class? I don't think so. However, based on the way Obrien and a number of the current commit such as the Spielman kid in Minneapolis where I currently live are doing, he is doing well. We have two of the best from California and the best from Minnesota. I suspect a few others are doing well. Now, we need about 8 more of this caliber to have a 'great' class. I doubt we can do that with the negativity associated with the program. Hopefully, all the talk of firing Riley doesn't scare away these guys because he was doing pretty well all things considered.

Let's see what he can do. Fire him without the big time 'splash' hire (there are NONE available guys) and you will do much more harm than good.

 

Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything said here. Had Riley been hired six or seven years ago, he would have been a splash hire. When Rich Rod was hired by Michigan, he was thought to have been a splash hire. We've seen plenty of splash hires not work out. I do agree that there really aren't any available guys out there that would be a splash hire for here.

 

I also hope we don't scare away recruits, but I can't say I'd blame a recruit for keeping their distance from Nebraska. Most recruits will spend four to five years of their lives at the college they commit to. When one looks at our current situation, it would be a bit tough to make that sort of commitment.

 

This is a tough question. Pretend you are a recruit for a moment. If Riley is retained, do you want to commit to NU? If Riley is fired, would you commit to NU? I think either choice has its own set of consequences...

there might not many thoughts on a postive season this year, but i do see something that really bothered me in the past with bo. THERE ARE NO BLOWOUTS SO FAR....that is a big success story this year, at least in my book

We were being blown out by Miami until Golden and penalties let us back into the game. A well coached, disciplined Miami team would have beat us that day by 6 TD's. 42-16...PURDUE was BLOWING us out until they also let us back into the game. How on earth do you get down 42-16 to PURDUE!!!!!????? 55 total points scored by Purdue as well...55!

These are the same types that would also say Tom Osborne and his out dated and 'slow' teams couldn't win against the Gators and the Hurricanes and Seminoles and all those 'fast' teams that would run rings around the slow 'plodding' Huskers.

 

Their opinions are worthless to me. Nebraska needs to take care of its own family and issues 'in house'. Everybody else should "butt out'!

Ummm...they were actually 100% correct. It wasn't until we upgraded speed at LB etc. that we were competitive against those southern teams in bowls. You must have missed the 8 consecutive (or whatever it was) bowl losses in the 80's to 90's...

Where did I say "real" fan. I said "normal" fan. The ones that can actually see what is happening, and understand it takes awhile to clean up a shithole of a program that Nebraska football has become over the past 10-15 years. The "normal" fan that doesn't call for the firing of everyone in the athletic department, because people are so impatient, and believe that "by golly, we are Nebraska, we should win by 70 every weekend" The "normal" fan that sees that all of the "real" fans are undermining recruiting and creating a self fulling prophecy of more and more ineptitude that is Nebraska football.

 

Go ahead, get your wish of Trev Alberts, and Scott Frost or whatever other former players you want in here to run the athletic department. Never mind the fact that you will have permanently set this program back for good, and burned whatever last hope there was of having a return to prominence.

 

And if you are brain dense enough not to understand what the point of this post is, then you are part of the problem, and not part of the solution.

Did you watch the Purdue game?

The "S-hole" that this coach inherited was 9-4 (and very nearly 10-3) last season. Even Steve Sarkisian passed out on the sidelines of every game as our coach would be better than 3-6 with this team...and I am not joking.

 

 

 

In 2004 I posted on Huskerpedia that Pedey was risking two decades of wandering in the wilderness and our program turining into Kansas.

11 years later we have nearly arrived...losing to Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, BYU with 10-11 win talent.

Either we fire/hire our way out of this NOW, or this program risks irrelevancy forever.

I don't think anyone would argue if you said that we are underachieving. But 10-11 win talent? Really? I would've thought we fell off just a bit, talent wise, from last year's nine win team. And that was before the rash of injuries. Have you looked at this thread lately? LINK

The "fire everyone" crowd doesn't care about facts. "9 wins"!!!@!@?@<>#!@#?! is all they care about. just like their hero Bo.

What you don't seem to understand is that this has NOTHING to do with Pelini. He's gone. Get over him. The rest of us moved on last November. I supported him up until the Minnesota game last year when it was clear it was time to make a change. My support or concern ended right there. We don't want him back, because we needed someone better than him. What we got was a "never-was" career .500 coach that brought a poor cultural fit, a bunch of would-have-been-fired buddy assistant coaches, and a lassez-faire losing mentality. Riley only took this job because he was going to have to fire Banker to keep his job...at OREGON F$CKING STATE!!!

 

This is about Mike Riley being completely unfit to be head coach at Nebraska, and a tone-deaf administration that valued political appearance over substance and winning football. Losing this team and putting this program at the bottom of the conference is inexcusable. We WILL NOT recover if we allow this to go on any longer.

 

Inaction is a significantly greater risk than action at this stage. We can call a mulligan and it will be less impact in the long term than than allowing Riley, Eichorst and Perlman to finish off what's left of the program.

 

You don't seem to realize that this is all part of a mistake made in 2003 by an arrogant chancellor and an even more narcisstic AD. At some point, we have to address the ROOT CAUSE, and this program will not be "right" again until we have actual leadership on "high."

 

This staff is already a lame duck. No reason to ignore that fact and make the situation worse.

 

^100% agree!

 

In 2004 I posted on Huskerpedia that Pedey was risking two decades of wandering in the wilderness and our program turining into Kansas.

 

11 years later we have nearly arrived...losing to Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, BYU with 10-11 win talent.

 

Either we fire/hire our way out of this NOW, or this program risks irrelevancy forever.

 

We already did. This is what year one looks like coming out of the weeds.

 

No. This is what it looks like when you make the wrong coaching hire. Even with Callahan's first year, I didn't necessarily see bad coaching as much as I saw a different philosophy being taught. I am definitely seeing the former as well as terrible coaching which has at a 3-6 record...which is about to get much worse.

 

 

 

 

In 2004 I posted on Huskerpedia that Pedey was risking two decades of wandering in the wilderness and our program turining into Kansas.

 

11 years later we have nearly arrived...losing to Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, BYU with 10-11 win talent.

 

Either we fire/hire our way out of this NOW, or this program risks irrelevancy forever.

I don't think anyone would argue if you said that we are underachieving. But 10-11 win talent? Really? I would've thought we fell off just a bit, talent wise, from last year's nine win team. And that was before the rash of injuries. Have you looked at this thread lately? LINK

The "fire everyone" crowd doesn't care about facts. "9 wins"!!!@!@?@<>#!@#?! is all they care about. just like their hero Bo.

I care about facts. I care about 9 wins. Apparently you're happy with 3 wins.

If you care about 9 wins you haven't been a fan for very long. When did 9 wins become the barometer for success? Its an arbitrary number that the old staff used as a measuring tool and didn't think they had to worry about their jobs as long as they hit it. 9 wins is irrelevant.

 

It is far more relevant than 3...

 

 

Riley talks about how he knows all these people in the coaching ranks, but he can't seem to get these guys on his staff.

Ha...They just don't want to work for him!

 

 

Legit question: when considering how Nebraska has done things in the past, would you consider leaving a stable job and joining Riley's staff at season's end? Keep in mind, we fired Solich after he revamped his staff.

 

Excellent question and it was a terrible, terrible mistake...

 

 

 

So, this guy is basically saying that Eichorst needs to come out from under his rock?...

 

...from who have we heard that before?

 

Can we all just agree that we aren't going to do this anymore? Canning Pelini, justly, and hiring Riley are two different things. One was a correct decision, and the other was not.

 

 

 

I completely agree with you on the canning Pelini / hiring Riley thought. It drives me crazy when people act like we had to fire Pelini or hire Riley. We had lots of options as far as who we hired, but apparently didn't look at any of them.

 

 

 

 

So, this guy is basically saying that Eichorst needs to come out from under his rock?...

 

...from who have we heard that before?

 

Can we all just agree that we aren't going to do this anymore? Canning Pelini, justly, and hiring Riley are two different things. One was a correct decision, and the other was not.

 

 

 

I completely agree with you on the canning Pelini / hiring Riley thought. It drives me crazy when people act like we had to fire Pelini or hire Riley. We had lots of options as far as who we hired, but apparently didn't look at any of them.

 

You are 100% correct.

http://journalstar.com/news/local/education/perlman-no-other-offers-made/article_5198a6ba-b968-518d-aec7-354a67b45b27.html

_{Matt Wells}

I know the buck stops at Riley, but do you feel he's at fault entirely? Stay with me here, I agree that changes need to be made, however I don't know if they need to be made at the HC level. I would sh#t can the DC and OC. I would bring in Scott Frost and make him the highest paid OC out there and asst. HC. Then let Riley and Frost know that it's a 3-4 yr window and Frost then takes over the HC job. DC job needs to be looked at very close and get someone that can COACH UP their players.

 

In Riley's defense he came into an ugly situation, he doesn't have any of his type of players on the team, and half if not more of the players were "Bo Guys" which means they still had sympathy towards Bo and it was going to have to be one hell of a sale to get those players to buy into the new coach as well as the new system.. Give it 2 more years and those old school " Bo Guys" will be gone and Riley will have his type of guys in there, that also will be Frost guys when Frost takes over. And then make me the AD to get this all done.

Bo as a first year coach took a demoralized team and turned them around right away. There were many opportunities to turn that proverbial corner, but never quite pulled it off. So close...but it unfortunately didn't happen. The expectation that we had this year was to avoid blowout losses and have a respectable season. The Purdue loss WAS a blowout as we were down 42-16 at one point. This season so far has gone far worse than any of the doomsday predictions even the most pessimistic fans had. I'm not sold on Frost being a HC yet.

Purdue isn't as bad as people would have us think, and I'm sick of hearing all the talking heads telling us the Huskers are more athletic and talented than our opponents. Although the Boilermakers were beaten by Minnesota, they played the Spartans to within a field goal.

But what about the Huskers...

Who are our play makers?

Do we have an offensive lineman who could even block an artery?

Can we get one turnover in a game like this?

YES, THEY ARE. The sad thing is, we are even worse.

Want awards and look all conference? Well, you play the 2015 Cornhuskers... Thanks Coach Riley...

Lets go back a few years to 2013. Purdue was 1-4 when we went to West Lafayette. Armstrong threw for 3 interceptions and really struggled. Walk-on Kellogg had to come in to relieve Armstrong. The score 44-7. Purdue's 2013 squad was bad but played MSU relatively close. Purdue's 2015 squad is just as bad and, well...you know what happened.

Enough with the excuses. We just suffered our worst loss in 50+ years. Hiring Riley was a mistake of epic proportions. This staff is clearly in WAY over their heads and it is not going to improve this season or the next. There is going to be an exodus of current players as well as commits if nothing is done about this. This year, we had a very easy schedule, but next year things could get even uglier if we retain this staff.

Why limit this to a single player? It seems several of our better players have had a tough year. Collins? Valentine? Banderas? Lewis? Newby?

I'm always a fan! I love the game, and NU football has rich traditions that transcend W/L records. There's always gonna be a group of "fire the coach" fans out there that oppose any staff that weren't former NU players or coaches.

 

As for me, the Huskers have a human resource issue this year. Riley needs to hire (recruit) his own people. It's as if Macy's bought a Walmart and tried to turn it into a new Macy's, using the former Walmart staff. It just won't happen.

 

Did the former coaching staff forget to recruit QB's, receivers, and RB's, for freak sake?

What did Riley do with his "macy's" staff at OSU? These players won 9 last year. This is a coaching issue.

 

 

Its been 6 hrs since the end of the game and Eichorst has not been fired yet. WTF is going on. This is unacceptable to wait this long. This should have been announced within an hour of the end of the game. We need to hold the administration accountable

another worthless post.

Just as your face palm posts are...