butterswolfman

I just want Bo to hire some semi splashy guys that can RECRUIT.

Don't worry about this game... you are playing the best in the big 10... will get easier, especially next week :/

I know that feel bro. My dad is an OSU fan we are going to be spending alot of sats brooding. Stick around the boards and have some good chats my man

 

Your dad at least has an excuse after losing the head coach and several of the best players from the team. What's our excuse?

Bad offensive play calling. We ask Tmart to do things he isn't good at. Just a poor showing we are better than this.

Don't worry about this game... you are playing the best in the big 10... will get easier, especially next week :/

I know that feel bro. My dad is an OSU fan we are going to be spending alot of sats brooding. Stick around the boards and have some good chats my man

You'd be pissed too if you were taking a paycut, with little chance for future raises because you are unable to even talk about them with your boss.

Don't join a union that constrains you to follow in line w/ the other thousands of employees then. Unions award the underperforming with job security, and consequently fail to award high performers. If you're in the high performer group - don't be in a union. If you're in the underperforming group, pay your dues enjoy the status quo.

 

Why do you think teachers are on salary schedules? (hint: unions) Teacher of the year for the state of Nebraska gets the same compesation as the teacher the district is attempting to fire but can't without a year's worth of documentation. The children ultimately pay the price.

 

If businesses were run this way they'd fail (oh wait, large numbers of them recently did)

I used to think the way you do. I am a high performer at my job. Hated the Union. Then the compnay started trying to bone me for no reason what so ever, the company tried to cut our pay, they want to limit our medical excuses to 4 a year, with out unions these large companies could do pretty much whatever they want with their employees fair or not. End of the day there are tons of out of control unions. However they have a purpose and that is to get fair payment and treatment for all employees. Look back at the days before unions in America, get rid of unions get ready for some real bs

The offense was a bad version of Oregon. The play book read Zone Read, Zone Read, Zone Read, Zone Read, pass that takes forever to develope, Zone Read, Zone Read, Zone Read, Fake Zone read, wildcat run, wildcat zoneread

I disagree with the whole 'next best thing' search on offense. Execution > clever schemes, every time.

 

I agree that we forced this offense down the team's throats too soon. It is stubbornness to have something you want ideally to run and ignore the staff and personnel in place. We have some potential in this direction, but little depth and little experience all around. A poor decision. Or rather, a calculated gamble that looked like it would pay off, before the risks came to fruition and bit us good.

Can't agree more.. I have actually come around on Wats staying for at least one more year probably two. When you really look at it this is the first year we REALLY got to run this offense with a Freshman QB. I still think the zone read is called too much to be effective. Also his play calling doesn't adapt well in game. I.E. no pitches or screens against a defense that is blowing things up. still I think in a year or two i think this offense will be pretty good.

Ok what I am going to say is not a personal attack on anyone here. If you get butt hurt I am sorry I was born and raised in Nebraska and attended school in Lincoln (UNL) during the days of the 90's. You know, the days when we destroyed teams by an avg of 35 pts a game. Yeah, those hay days. Now back to my current topic. I for one am tired of hearing about Husker fans being the "Classiest Fans in College Football". Are we that now? Hmmm don't really think so. Was I ever that type of fan? Nope.

 

We are fans who LOVE their University but feel compelled to complain and call out BS when we smell or see it. Coaches, players, refs, league commisioners, the list goes on and on. Is this wrong? I don't think so. The term "classiest fans" was coined during the years when we would literally beat the sh#t out of other teams. We would clap for other teams in our stadium because after putting 60 pts on a team, it made us feel warm and fuzzy inside. Their players and fans felt that we were "sure nice because they clapped for us, after beating us". Now....Husker fans (me included) turn into rabbid fans who grow horns and snarl when our team loses. We don't go into other stadiums and clap and say "hey great game, you really kicked our ass, but gosh, we sure tried hard". No, we leave mad and looking for revenge (me included again). Do our fans show respect where respect is due? I think we do, but to keep labeling us the "Classiest Fans in College Football" to me is some what tiresome.

 

Anyways, just my two cents. I'm interested in see what other Husker fans feel about this.

 

ps Sorry for any gramatical or spelling erros, trying to send this out before the boss sees it.

 

In my opinion (from a Southern California native; aka "outsider"), the 'classiest' label has morphed from just the fans in the stadium to Nebraska's worldwide following. Here is an example... a couple of years ago I was standing in line at a Starbucks in Huntington Beach, CA, and an Oklahoma fan came in... we were both dressed in our gear and soon the OU fan and I were having a great discussion... much respect on both sides, "You guys look great this year", "So do you", "Go Big Red", "Boomer Sooner"... it was great and ended on a peaceful and respectful note. 'Classiest fans in college football'. Later during that same visit, a guy walks in wearing USC gear... mouthing off "Trojans all the way baby!" and eventually gets around to my new OU friend who is still standing in line. After a few stupid taunts he comes right out (in public) with "Oh, and f*ck you Oklahoma... we got your asses back in 05!"

 

With that perspective in mind, we ARE the classiest fans in college football.

I live in SEC town and have to hear about how good the SEC is on a daily basis. SEC fans are almost thugs Went to the Mississippi State LSU game and the fans literally throw liquor bottles onto the feild (if they have the arms) or into the crowd. Wearing my Neb. gear gets alot of "you guys wouldn't win 6 games in the SEC blah blah blah. We have some pretty good fan's. oh and bandwagon Texas fans are the WORSTE fans ever.

Hujan, interested in hearing your opinion (or anyone's) about Roy's fumble against OU. I watched it and my thought was that he was not exposing the ball, just carrying it while running in open space. He could have wrapped it up with both hands, but you don't really do that when you are taking off in open space. I felt the OU defender just got a good position on the hit, and he definitely went right at the ball. I feel this is not a forced fumble in every sense instead of ball security issues, and wanted to know if anyone could add to/disagree with that.

 

I don't think Roy has ever had a fumbling problem really. He may have had a few this year but how many does he have over his career? It would seem to me to be a couple bad breaks for us, but I can't really say.

 

I don't remember most of Taylor's fumbles specifically but I did see last night's 3rd Q fumble up close again and that one is easy to pin down on him. Sometimes you got to tuck the ball down and take the sack. He was in full take-the-sack mode but he was standing still there and waiting for the hit. Got to tuck the ball down and go down with the defenders instead of waiting for them to get to you and do whatever they want. Similar to the interception he had, I don't think Taylor has developed a proper sense of "Live to fight another day." Sometimes a play is just blown and you have to give up on it.

I agree, No player runs in open space with both hands on the ball. From what i saw he was actually heading to the ground and the defender just got a good angle on him. More of a fluke than anything. Roy has had his worst year this year as far as fumbles are concerned. But looking at his career he has been sure handed. Last year he fumbled a lot due to his banged up shoulder in one game. Other than that he single handedly won the KU game for us. I will miss Roy.

Guys, Shawn Watson is not going anywhere, unless he gets a "head Coaching job". If our receivers would have caught some balls in the Texas game, Taylor Martinez does not get hurt and we don't fumble on our end of the field during the Oklahoma game, we would not be talked about any of this. We would be playing for the National title. One person does not cost us a game, no I am not happy about last nights performance, but it is not Shawn Watson's fault the players did not hold onto the ball. It was the players themselves who did not execute the offense the way it should have been. We were moving the ball all night, then bang a turnover. This coaching staff will stay in place unless they get a head job, Bo is not going to let anyone go at this time.

I agree! If you call the same plays Watson did during the Missouri game, and the blocking isnt there, or Helu fumbles a couple times the result is very different.All 3 losses this year were because of poor execution by the players, not the play calls.Bottom line is if the players run the plays properly (Block well, dont fumble , catch the ball,make good decisions at QB, and keep stupid penalties to a minimum)the OC ,and all the other coaches, look like a heroes. Otherwise people are calling for your head.

Perhaps because this isn't Madden, and there is more to coaching than play-calling. How is it that everyone can so easily explain away Watson's shortcomings with "players didn't execute"? How many games can we explain away to poor execution before someone is held accountable? The QB not make good decisions falls on lack of coaching by the QB coach. Guess who that is? When did "coaching" get removed from Watson's job description leaving soley "formulate plays" - because player execution is exactly what coaching gives you. Don't coach...players won't execute, simple as that.

 

I wish someone would put together a seasonal breakdown of Watson's offense, then remove the big plays and see what you're left with. I mean honestly - that's the difference between the games everyone calls him a genius for (Washington, 1st qtr Missouri, 1st half Oklahoma) and the games we lost (Texas, A&M, 2nd half Oklahoma). Watson's offensive philosophy depends on big plays (which is fine if you have playmakers)...but big plays are almost always generaited from defensive breakdowns. In essense, Watson's entire offensive scheme is crap against a disciplined defense. Which is why we consistently lost against top-50 defenses. In fact, that's one of the few consistent things we can count on. When you are constantly searching for that big play - you can't count on anything w/ the offense.

 

We should have kicked the 62 yard field goal w/ 3:30 left. Alex had that much leg in him. Then we should have kicked the 64 yarder on 4th and 4. It had a better chance than a Taylor pass.

It's good to be able to 100% agree with someone. Poor execution is on the coaches.

Scott Frost for WR coach.

Lol, why leave a better job? Doubt he comes here unless it is under the pretense of a promotion.

Guys, Shawn Watson is not going anywhere, unless he gets a "head Coaching job". If our receivers would have caught some balls in the Texas game, Taylor Martinez does not get hurt and we don't fumble on our end of the field during the Oklahoma game, we would not be talked about any of this. We would be playing for the National title. One person does not cost us a game, no I am not happy about last nights performance, but it is not Shawn Watson's fault the players did not hold onto the ball. It was the players themselves who did not execute the offense the way it should have been. We were moving the ball all night, then bang a turnover. This coaching staff will stay in place unless they get a head job, Bo is not going to let anyone go at this time.

It is his fault for not coaching ball security well enough. Just as it is the WR coaches fault for dropped balls, teach the kids to catch or recruit kids who can. It is also SW's fault for calling the zone read about 2354234 times when it worked about 3 times that entire game. Once off of a blown Oklahoma assignment. Well coached players hang on to catches and don't drop passes, that's not conjecture it's fact. How many dropped passes have you seen out of OKstate recivers? Oklahoma recivers? not alot. fumbles? also a small number. I coach children who play kids 2 and 3 years their senior and they don't drop the ball that much. Taylor making the wrong reads? ALL his fault? no he has not been coached well enough. The players are sloppy and make bad mistakes and turn the ball over because they are poorly coached. falls right on Wat's shoulders

Best options available for an upgrade to a bigger school. NIU OC. Matt Limegrover, Arkansas OL coach Chris Klenakis, Nevada's Cameron Norcross ECU's Lincoln Riley, maybe TROY's Kenny Edenfiel as we missed out on Neal Brown. any other ideas people?

Was at the game, so I'm watchin it on TV for the first time. Judging by what I read on here and what I saw in person, I was expecting Taylor to have that "deer in the headlights" look. I knew from being at the game that those who saw it on t.v. and were saying he was not interested in the game and that was simply not true. But actually seeing his face on t.v. (granted I'm just to the beginning of the 3rd quarter), he was in to that game. Last night from the stands, in the heat of the moment, it looked a lot worse. This looks like a kid giving it his all, and definitely not one who's thinking about leaving and not caring how the game turns out. Last night I hated the kid. Now that I'm cooled down (a little, still pretty hot about this poor offensive performance, though) and watching up close on t.v., Taylor Martinez was playing hard, he just had a really bad game.

I was never mad at him persay. I just had the "if you don't want to be here hit the bricks" mentality. He looked much better in this game to me then at last game. My gf was making the comment that maybe so many sacks were being given up cuz the line didnt like him lol.

Best options available for an upgrade to a bigger school. NIU OC. Matt Limegrover, Arkansas OL coach Chris Klenakis, Nevada's Cameron Norcross ECU's Lincoln Riley, maybe TROY's Kenny Edenfiel as we missed out on Neal Brown. any other ideas people?

First of all, I gotta say, if you haven't been to Jerry's world, you gotta see it.

 

Next, after trading taunts with Holieway, and fighting off the Sooner fans sitting behind me, I noticed one thing about Martinez. It was like he was just going through the motion. I can't help but think about the rumors circulating that he might transfer. It's sad when you have to rely on a running back to throw a touchdown pass. He missed some wide open receivers. I saw an intersting exchange between him and McNeil. McNeil was all over him about being open, and he was....Martinez just shrugged it off. Something is going on and it's gonna come to a head real soon.

 

I don't have anything against Watson....but I thought, after 5 years, our offense would be further along. We either need to dial down the playbook, or go a different direction. Just seems like too many mistakes continue to happen.

You should not be calling those fumbles in our own territory, if you would, wait till we are on the 40. For example, when Rex fumbled, that was a good time to call that fumble. The INT that TMart threw was at a perfect time as well. Impecable. That WildCat with Rex, HORRIBLE. We don't need to be creative at all. Simplify the offense. And zone read after zone read? Open the playbook up.

 

I hope everybody that reads this understands what I am saying. Watson called a good game last night. The wildcat package with Rex was very innovative and well timed. This game WAS NOT Watson's fault. Our players did not execute the game plan. Make no mistake about it, the game plan that Watson constructed would have won us the game had it been executed properly. This one is on the players for not executing what was put in. If you turn the ball over four times against an OU team you will not win it.

 

They rarely ever execute, and if your players aren't executing then your not coaching ='s Watson's fault.

EZ-E i REALLY respect your posts you are generally speaking very insightful, smart, and construct idea's well. But you are flat out wrong. Fumbles and INTs are the coaches fault. as are dropped passes, they DON'T HAPPEN (at least very otent) to well coached teams. There was nothing good about the play calling even the Kirk Herby was making comments about the odd play calling. Isn't the definition of stupid doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result? This offense is predictable as i have been saying all year. When your best/most explosive player is your QB your only plays that put the ball in his hands running are zone reads no hat on hat, no power runs, ISOs or sweeps with the QB, no roll outs. no Pitches. Its just a version of the option that is more easy to defend because the assignments are easier for the defense. the only thing multiple about this offense is its multiple deficiencies. I have said this from day one. We dominate bad opponents because they are bad. Our offense get's dominated by good defenses because IT is bad. SW had ONE good season because he was running a Calahan style offense with Calahan style players. anyhow i have gone on long enough. If we are smart there will be a new OC next year. if not we are going to get beat the eff up in the big 10.

Best options available for an upgrade to a bigger school. NIU OC. Matt Limegrover, Arkansas OL coach Chris Klenakis, Nevada's Cameron Norcross ECU's Lincoln Riley, maybe TROY's Kenny Edenfiel as we missed out on Neal Brown. any other ideas people?

1) Taylor played poorly. He looked rattled. But unlike past games, he also looked visibly upset at the end of the game. I liked that. It showed he cares about winning. Hopefully he learns from this game and continues to grow as a player.

 

2) Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice (and again... and again... and again), shame on me. Goodbye Shawn Watson. You're inability to adjust mid-game pisses me off. You're refusal to call what works pisses me off even more. I'll cheer you when you come back, but I'll be cheering even louder when I hear you're leaving.

 

3) Bo, this loss is on you too. Why didn't you take out Taylor? Why didn't you go up into Watson's suite and kill him? This is your team, and until you get rid of the dead weight the majority of the blame will be on your shoulders, period.

On point 1.) I also saw taylor slapping helmets with his team mates, talking to the other QBs and trying to stay loose, I dunno if all the rumors were over blown or something was said that sunk in and he's trying to be a leader but i was very impressed.

On 2) I was never fooled. From my first time i saw this offense this season i had a lot of issues with it's predictability the risk it poses to players and inability to evolve to fit situations. Its hard to win games based on only getting 60 yard runs for TDs. I have been wanting him gone since he got here. None of the offensive players play up to expectations week in and week out.

3) TOTALY agree. Bo is a great coach, and you can't complain at all about his win percentages or his defenses. But at what point do you realize your hurting your QBs future and development by letting him get racked around. I for one think it may have been to humble Taylor a bit.

Leading the league in fumbles means losing close games. It's a proven theory, and in losing to texas, texas a&m, and to oklahoma we lost at least one fumble in each game... on our side of the 50!! That's HUGE.

 

Taylor's adam's apple grew to the size of a football and caused a severe case of the chokes every time his pocket (lol, he was passing from the pocket?) broke down, and most of the time, his first reaction was to go BACKWARDS???!!!

 

In the fourth quarter, we should have had Green already warmed up and ready to go so he could finish the game. He has 10 times better pocket presence and all we needed was a 5 yard slant throw and catch. With Green, I feel we get that first down and at the very least have a chance to tie the game.

 

Shawn Watson makes the worst adjustments of any coach in the history of football (going all the way back to the days of the vikings... the european ones that is). How we can be up 17-0, get the ball like 3 or 4 more times on their side of the 50 and come up with 3 points is beyond me.

 

The offensive play calling was about as attractive as Holly Rowe... what ever happened to the roll out passes to take advantage of the dual-threat quarterback? What happened to anything that resembled a vertical passing game? Why does the only guy who hasn't dropped a pass this year (Broekemeier) not run routes that arent 3 yards deep? What happened to pitches and types of runs like draws QB keepers that dont involve reads? What happened to T-Freshman actually keeping the ball on the zone read?? And finally WHAT HAPPENED TO ROY HELU IN THE SECOND HALF???

 

K... Im done.

you my friend, made my point better lol. why does EVERYTHING have to be a read.

So many people coming around. there should be 0 Calahan hold overs. We have no designed QB runs (at least not any called) that don't involved the zone read. no hat on hat power football. Give Taylor some runs were he is getting it end of story and put some hats on hats. Zone read is something you call once or twice a drive, not play after play. It's an easier to defend version of the option. Watson has got to go! too many good coordinators out there who would like a bigger job to put up with this. I was scoffed at for saying to go after Houston's OC... look at him blowing crap up at OKstate. all congrats to oklahoma great game for them. I'm glad we lost to them an not someone else.

Thank god someone started this thread, i've seen so many complain about Watson, but yet no one throws out names of potential OC to replace him.

Last year i suggested Houstons OC and OKState Picked him up instead which seams to have worked out great, NIU's OC would be a good hire so would Nevada's, I'm not much of a Norm Chow fan i want to be as far away from west coast as possible...but who cares what i think. I wouldn't hold my breath on SW being gone next year though. :locked:

Fill that glass bowl with beer and take turns doing the chuggalug

At this point is say eff the rest of the BIG 12 schedule, we aren't going to get a fair shot. I say we refuse to play any more con. games that involve b12 officials. They want the last (probably 2) Con games with us. Get refs from another con. I realize this probably is not possible. I just don't see the point in showing up when Colorado is going to have the game gift wrapped for them. Why gibe Babybeebee the satisfaction of screwing us over. Screw this con. screw the media and screw EVERY A&M fan who says that game was called fairly.

Arizona was right... Suh's a total bust

I live in MS and by proxy root for MS state. I gotta say i hope Auburn wins the NC and then gets it taken away due to this. State would probably be undefeated if Cam went more then likely. Just makes me sick when thinking about what (from what i have heard) Cam's Father made him do. (a friggin minister)