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Why are the same players still playing if they're not giving the effort? Riley said he couldn't fault them for their effort... that can't be it then...

Should he bench them?

I thought you fans want to win NOW!

How the hell can he win NOW if he benches the starters? Or do we think the guys behind them are better? Do you know that better than this coaching staff does? Or do you think they just don't want to win?

You think Riley should call out any players on this team publicly? I mean, if we question whether he "has" this teams trust or not, then how would that go over? If a new coach comes into a shaky situation, on a team with some players that resent their situation, a roster full of guys he didn't recruit, do you think the Head Coach should weigh the options of how much he rocks the boat and what could result from that?

What do you think the result would be? If we go 3-9 with even our "best" players on the field, then how would it go without them? Does the coach owe it to the team, the University and their fans, to put the best product he can on the field?

Or are you telling me we would have been a patient enough fan base to understand if Riley swapped in a new depth chart full of youth and inexperience, and we'd have been patient as he rebuilt this thing. horsesh#t.

Let's hear the argument how we put less capable guys on the field and failed, but at least they had a positive attitude and built toward the future.

Btw if you want a break down on those gifs...

 

the int: keep your feet moving, shoulders square to the defender, and for godsake stay in front of him. That's technique it should be coached.

 

The passing td: hard to say but looks like the corner should have turned his hips sooner, technique, and ther was no safety help over the top (an ongoing philosphy/coaching issue)

 

The rushing td: pursuit angles, basic coaching on assignments.

He gets caught flat footed and his head isn't on a swivel.

Should Cavanaugh have this player playing better? Is it Cavanaugh's fault his technique is weak and the player clearly wasn't focused? Has this player been a good player in the past that has been getting worse, not better? Has this player proven to execute consistently in the past?

So Stewart taught the corner poor technique? The corner is in position to make the play. He doesn't need safety help over the top. That's not the scheme we play in. Lots of teams don't put safety help over the top. The corner should be able to cover a Purdue WR right, I mean, as much more talented as we are and all?

The rushing TD, basic pursuit angles is basic coaching? Ha! That's basic football man. If you've been playing this game you either understand it or you don't. Don't be lazy and don't jog after the play how about that? Don't let a WR reach out and completely take you out of the play if you're a DE that outweighs him by 80 lbs.. How about #25 on that rushing play? What was he up to?

And that's the thing Decked, it probably wasn't the best idea to pass in that situation, and players need to execute better. Yet around this board I've seen 20 some threads about firing the coaches, blame Riley blam Langsdorf on and on, but the whole idea of players making plays and executing seems to be almost non-existant.

Now I get it, we hate to call out the players, but maybe they need called out. Look at some of the guys in those plays.

You can fire the coaches, and we can bring someone new in. We talk about it as if we're not even talking about real people, but lets say we do that and the next guy comes in and suddenly the effort level goes up. Well then I'll call that chicken sh#t. The effort should always be there. I don't care if these guys feel sorry for themselves about Bo being fired, or if they don't like the new systems they've found themselves in. They should have more respect for themselves as players and as a team when they take that football field. Period.

I'd like to see more from these guys, because I don't think we are getting the full effort from all of them.

To the guys that do play their asses off, credit to you and respect to each individual that does. They know who they are and the guys that are half assing it know who they are too.

 

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Passing the ball out of your own endzone with the backup QB. Seems like a great idea.

 

Blocking the defender seems like an even better idea.

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Coach Stewart on this one, right?

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Does anyone want to break down how we can blame Banker, Hughes or Riley on this one? I'd love to hear it and I'm sure someone can dream something up.

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Why are you quoting three people and then making a comment like that? Is there any way a mod can remove my name from that? Tommy's leadership is one thing I don't question.

Holy crap this is kind of a big weekend eh?

By the way, I'm not hanging the kids out there. They're not executing very well. Period.

So we lambster Bo for saying guys weren't executing (I don't think he ever called out a specific player) and that's BS because you shouldn't hang kids out there like that. But it's ok if the fans do it...

 

Honestly there should have been some improvement with this team, but they have regressed almost every week. We see the same issues we saw in week one. And basic game managment errors in 3 games (even 4 games if you count the idiotic passing at Minny). These coaches are either clueless or full of sh#t. They talked about developing a run game, and coaching to players strengths in the off season. Yet all the reports indicated that they rep'ed the passing game much more than the run game in pre season, and they make a 2nd string, never started, QB sling the ball around before the game is even out of hand.

 

I hope they're clueless... I can for give ignorance, but not a f'ing liar.

And if Riley's team looks like this in year seven and Riley turns into a nostril flaring ass on the sideline, I'll expect him to be fired as well.

If we fire him now it just shows our leadership has bought into the overreaction of this fan base, which should never happen. Got to be smarter than a typical football fan to run a program.

 

Or are they not capable? It looks to me like we struggle in some very basic aspects on a regular basis. Most good teams don't struggle on the offensive line the way we do. That's very hard to overcome.

If they aren't capable or struggling in a scheme, why in the world would you continue to stick with something that isn't working? A large part of coaching is finding something that works and putting players in the best position to succeed. I'm not seeing that at all. Throwing 48 times with ANY QBs currently on the roster is a really good way to lose a game. They weren't recruited to sling it all over the field, so why do we continually do it? Why not create a run heavy game plan one week to see how it works? It's not like there is a lot to lose at this point.

 

The o-line is a total joke this year. I have seen three o-linemen consistently whiff blocks or just get flat out dominated, yet there isn't even an attempt to switch it up to see if a different combination works better. Am I to believe these things don't happen in practice? I have a really hard time believing that these things only happen on game day.

 

I don't wholly disagree with you. We seem to be in between what we want to be and what we actually can be. It just doesn't seem like we are good at much of anything. That can never be entirely on a coaching staff. Especially not in their first year here, at least, not in my opinion.

 

 

The site has Norm Chow at #60. And Chow was just canned from Hawaii today.

Haha! End thread.

 

He was #3 earlier today before being fired.

 

You're looking at the expanded rating list. I'm not sure why he is still showing up at #60 on there, but he was indeed #3 earlier today before being removed from the top 30 list altogether after his firing (the guys at the top of the page with the accompanying photos). As a result everyone but Riley and Richt moved up on the list, and Kingsbury earned a spot in the top 30.

 

Oh I see. Carry on the discussion of how horrible Coach Riley is then........I think there's quite a few other threads folks might want to check out as well. Lot's of good firing discussions going on. I think even some new coach suggestions. Lots of the usual Scott Frost stuff.

 

 

From the thread about B1G West talent last week

 

We are basically even with Purdue on the 2 deep

 

 

http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/77151-unsportsmanlike-conduct20151027how-talented-is-nebraska/

But this is Nebraska! And we should be better for some reason! Talent, execution, and making plays doesn't matter! A coach should be able to pull it out of his ass and put it on the field because we wear RED and an N on our helmets! Ten months is long enough to get it done!

 

So stupid.

 

This gets used to much and IMO is a BS comment. It has that entitlement feel to it and honestly, we aren't entitled to jack sh#t. We should earn it.

 

I hope you caught the sarcastic intent because that's hardly how I feel, but I know a good majority of our entitled fan base feels that way.

I'm so tired of reading about talent and "wait till he gets his guys here". Why? Will he be able to finally beat the Illinois and Purdue recruiting juggernauts of the world? I understand why we ended up passing late in the game, but I think they threw it around 20-25 times in the first half. Seems like a great idea with a backup QB that had never started and didn't even have 20 career passes prior. Run the ball. Is the run game working well now? No, but neither is passing it all over the field every game. Cater the scheme to the players currently on the team. Isn't that what we heard both Riley and Langsdorf say in numerous interviews before the season? Didn't we see a bunch of running during the spring game? What happened to that?

 

Week after week, it doesn't look like this team is ready to execute the game plan. It almost looks like they show up that day and say, "Okay, who are we playing today? Purdue? Cool, let's go out there and see what happens." Obviously this is ridiculous, but it honestly looks like that to me. Players consistently blowing coverages, missing blocks, missing tackles, and I find it hard to believe that this is ONLY happening on game day.

 

And many of you may not believe in recruiting rankings, and that's fine, but there's a reason why teams that recruit well have good teams that win a lot. There's a direct correlation. Are there recruiting misses? Sure, but to poo poo it because not EVERY single player highly ranked turned out to be good is absurd (likewise when low ranked players turn out to be really good). It doesn't end there though. Once the good players come into the program they have to be coached. Florida recruited well under Muschamp, but weren't ever really good. Florida hires a good coach and suddenly they are playing well. Ohio St has been decent and have recruited really well. They bring in a great coach and they have hardly lost a game since his arrival. Michigan is similar to Florida. Good recruiting and they bring in a coach and they have been playing well this year. Nebraska brings in a .500 coach and well, you have seen the results. Nebraska isn't even close to being as talent rich as Florida, Ohio St, or Michigan, but come on. Are you honestly going to say that we don't have more talent than a majority of the Big Ten West with a straight face? I supported Bo being fired, but I almost wish there was an alternate universe which we could see the results if Bo was still the head coach of Nebraska. I would be willing to bet that we wouldn't be 3-6 and would most likely be in the hunt for the West.

 

I did not like this hire from the beginning, but then bought in during the off season. I wanted to believe. I really did, but there is nothing I have seen that gives me hope for the future. Players look like they are actually regressing rather than getting better as the season goes forward. Each week, the opponent's QB has his best game of the year. Purdue scored 55 points. 55. They haven't scored that many points in all of their conference games combined this year. There's a reason why they were 6-26 since 2013. They are a bad team with below average talent. Nothing changed this year either, yet Nebraska made them look like a world beater.

 

Sorry for the long post, but the "is x team more talented than Nebraska" threads are getting ridiculous. We are competing in the Big 10 West that has recruited average to below average talent the last four years, yet they are making Nebraska their bitch week in and week out.

We've been in close games with or even lost to many of these same Big 10 West teams the last four years.

'm so tired of reading about talent and "wait till he gets his guys here". Why? Will he be able to finally beat the Illinois and Purdue recruiting juggernauts of the world?

I'm assuming that's the plan?

Most coaches get a chance to recruit to their schemes and their plan. We are running very different systems than the previous staff. The team we have now is not looking very good at executing those schemes. Hell, they didn't look very good in some of the very same aspects for the last five years now......

Week after week, it doesn't look like this team is ready to execute the game plan.

Or are they not capable? It looks to me like we struggle in some very basic aspects on a regular basis. Most good teams don't struggle on the offensive line the way we do. That's very hard to overcome.

I did not like this hire from the beginning, but then bought in during the off season.

This is the real issue. Patience is a lot to ask from someone who wasn't happy from the very beginning. Most of the people complaining now were in the same boat. A lot of people can look at this team now and in the past and see that they've not been much better than the majority of the Big Ten West for quite some time now. Nothing has changed except we've lost a few key playmakers that usually stepped up in some very big moments and turned these close losses into close wins. Unfortunately nobody has stepped into that role, although I think Westerkamp is giving every ounce he's got in trying.

The site has Norm Chow at #60. And Chow was just canned from Hawaii today.

Haha! End thread.

From the thread about B1G West talent last week

 

We are basically even with Purdue on the 2 deep

 

 

http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/77151-unsportsmanlike-conduct20151027how-talented-is-nebraska/

But this is Nebraska! And we should be better for some reason! Talent, execution, and making plays doesn't matter! A coach should be able to pull it out of his ass and put it on the field because we wear RED and an N on our helmets! Ten months is long enough to get it done!

So stupid.

 

 

We started 6 guys without a single power 5 offer on Saturday...

Why does this not matter to people?

 

Because most people realize the coaching sucks and aren't trying to drag players through the mud to defend poor coaching.

I'm not dragging them through the mud.

They're not playing very well. There are reasons for that. I'm trying to determine what those reasons are and how much you attribute to coaching.

At this point, it's very difficult for me to act like most of you by laying it all at the feet of the coaches and firing people.

We started 6 guys without a single power 5 offer on Saturday...

Why does this not matter to people?

Players play how they are coached, or they shouldn't be on the field.

That's the easiest thing to say.

How does a coach go about doing this? Please explain. I'm trying to get a grasp on this mindset.

So they're being coached not to execute? Or are they not executing because these coaches have not been doing their jobs for the last ten months?

So when a player isn't executing, you bench him and put in another player that you've seen in practice executes possibly even worse? Or how does that work? Is that fair to the overall team, or does that not matter?

I don't pay attention to star rankings. Could give a sh#t less. Four or five shiny stars beside your name doesn't make you a good football player at this level. It makes you a good football player in high school.

Nebraska has plenty of four star examples on the roster right now that either haven't taken a single snap of football at this level, or haven't had any impact when they've been in there.

Did we look more talented than Purdue to you guys? I didn't see it. Maybe here or there at a couple spots. Westerkamp seems to be the most obvious.

Every play I saw for the most part it looked like we had a player position to make a play and just didn't make the play on defense. Our defensive backs clearly can't play in a system like this. Does that mean Banker should scrap it, or should we try to get some better DB's? I don't know how that will play out.

Lot's of plays where linebackers over ran plays, got lost or out of position, and just plain didn't make the play. I think Young and Banderas are pretty talented guys, Newby too, but where is it? How is it paying off and where are they showing it? You gotta make plays kids.

Can talk about Langsdorf and the offense all game. Scored 29 points in the fourth Quarter correct? It appeared to me when we executed, we seemed to do well. When we didn't execute, it didn't go well. Funny how that works.......

Ozigbo needs to carry the ball. He is talented. I like how Fyfe is able to get the simple completions to our backfield players. We need more of that. Fyfe is simply not an accurate passer of the football. Nor is Tommy consistently......

Five turnovers, tough to win games.

Again, defense is ugly, but I challenge you to find me the plays where the guys were not in position to make the play. For any one instance you can find, I can find ten of them where the player did something wrong or didn't make the play.

Not all on the players, though, I know that's not the popular thing to say. So fire some people! Hooray! That ought to fix it.

Has anybody heard a reason as to why Tommy did not go with his team?

If the QB throws on target and the WR catches the ball at a 63% or better completion percentage, with few interceptions, I believe the complaints about the passing game or lack of commitment to the running game would fade away.

In other words, we wouldn't be complaining if it were working.

So then we say, if the passing game isn't working, then why do we continue to do it. When I look at the run game, it doesn't appear to be much better.

We Husker fans tend to want to go in the direction of the run game and would rather watch that fail than see a failing passing game over and over. That's fine, but we should all acknowledge that neither is exactly pretty to watch. We can't sit here and pretend Langsdorf is pulling a Beck and going away from what's working. Not a lot appears to be working at a consistently high level. We used to have the benefit of being able to hand it to Ameer and watch him create something nearly every time he touched it. Well I'd say it's pretty obvious the drop off at RB when Ameer left.

If it's due to a lack of commitment to either particular area, I don't know, I'm not at practice. We have all these talent discussions around here and talk about all these "metrics" and measurements to show how much better we are than everyone else. You'd think it would be obvious on Saturdays when watching the team. I continue to look around the field trying to find where we are so much more physically dominant. Where are we making plays over these lesser talented teams?

 

 

 

 

(cough) Scott Frost (cough)

 

If we can't get Tom Herman or Pat Narduzzi, I'm jumping on the Scott Frost train with you. Influenced by Walsh, Osborne, Parcells, Belichick, Snyder, Chip Kelly and Gruden...the only way you can improve that list is if he was somehow coached by Vince Lombardi as well.

 

Said this in another thread.

 

Watching the Cougars tonight dismantle Vandy and the announcers were talking about Herman being a hot commodity for some of the openings. They listed several to include:

USC

Carolina Gamecocks

Miami

Maryland

and a few others.

What got me was they said that Herman wouldn't be a good fit at USC. His "style" didn't fit their culture. Same with the Gamecocks. Said he would be a better fit at Maryland, but then he was a Texas and Ohio guy. Said Fuentes would be a good fit or Smart form Bama (Carolina). They then said maybe Herman to Miami as the would need a "splash hire".

My point being, they specifically said just like kids look to schools that "fit", universities also look to find coaches who meet their culture/scheme and should be "splash hires" for those listed above.

NU did neither. Riley does not fit the culture of NU nor was it a splash hire.

Hope the next choice gets it right.......

The guys mentioned above "get the culture" of NU and would be splash hires.

 

You may not like the hire but Riley is a great fit for the culture of NU, or atleast what it "should" be.

 

It definitely wasn't a splash hire.

 

That loss to Purdue was horrible. When you turn the ball over 5 times, you're gonna lose football games. That's just how it works. This has been a tough season as a fan, and been maybe one of the toughest ever for the Coach of Nebraska. All the things that could go wrong are going wrong. That game yesterday was the perfect storm and Purdue caught Nebraska right in the middle of it.

 

So go ahead, fire the coach. That word "fire" seems to be the only answer half of you have for anything. We will live and learn here and if we choose to fire another coach, I'm betting we continue to learn the hard way.

 

I agree that we can't exactly fire him after one year, but it's disheartening that Riley hasn't had any answers after every week. I would be okay with an average W-L record if we didn't lose to really average teams like Wisconsin and Northwestern and really bad teams like Purdue and Illinois. I would also feel better about the future if it looked like the players were improving each week, but they aren't. I have zero faith that Riley will be able to turn it around in the years to come, but I also don't think we can fire him. Eichorst went out and got his guy and now unfortunately we are stuck with him and his inept staff.

 

If I didn't know the background of Riley, I would never have been able to guess that he has been doing this for 30+ years.

 

I completely agree with every point you made. The lack of answers and lack of improvement is just hugely disappointing. The Purdue and Illinois losses both are the ones that stand out to me as well.

I don't know that Riley can get things fixed, and if he can it may not be quickly enough. I just don't think we can turn around and fire a guy this quickly.

There's still that part of me that see players put in the position to succeed and are just not executing or making plays. I think we are missing some key players at some key positions, especially QB.

We still appear to be a team that, with a little bit more consistency in our execution, is able to compete with or beat every single team we've played this season. So then we have the lack of execution conversation, and isn't that a conversation we've been having for a very, very long time? So when I see Mike Riley's team not executing this season, and I know this team has been inconsistent as hell for the last five years, I have to ask why I or anyone would totally blame these coaches for not being able to turn this into an execution oriented team in 10 months.

I think they deserve more time and maybe a few more consistent players on their roster to see how things go. Of course, who cares what I think. Fire them and move on to someone else. I have no particular loyalty. I do like these guys and coach Riley in particular though. I think he knows what needs to be done. He just may not be able to get it done and I'm willing to bet the next guy will struggle as well.

 

 

(cough) Scott Frost (cough)

 

If we can't get Tom Herman or Pat Narduzzi, I'm jumping on the Scott Frost train with you. Influenced by Walsh, Osborne, Parcells, Belichick, Snyder, Chip Kelly and Gruden...the only way you can improve that list is if he was somehow coached by Vince Lombardi as well.

 

Said this in another thread.

 

Watching the Cougars tonight dismantle Vandy and the announcers were talking about Herman being a hot commodity for some of the openings. They listed several to include:

USC

Carolina Gamecocks

Miami

Maryland

and a few others.

What got me was they said that Herman wouldn't be a good fit at USC. His "style" didn't fit their culture. Same with the Gamecocks. Said he would be a better fit at Maryland, but then he was a Texas and Ohio guy. Said Fuentes would be a good fit or Smart form Bama (Carolina). They then said maybe Herman to Miami as the would need a "splash hire".

My point being, they specifically said just like kids look to schools that "fit", universities also look to find coaches who meet their culture/scheme and should be "splash hires" for those listed above.

NU did neither. Riley does not fit the culture of NU nor was it a splash hire.

Hope the next choice gets it right.......

The guys mentioned above "get the culture" of NU and would be splash hires.

 

You may not like the hire but Riley is a great fit for the culture of NU, or atleast what it "should" be.

It definitely wasn't a splash hire.

That loss to Purdue was horrible. When you turn the ball over 5 times, you're gonna lose football games. That's just how it works. This has been a tough season as a fan, and been maybe one of the toughest ever for the Coach of Nebraska. All the things that could go wrong are going wrong. That game yesterday was the perfect storm and Purdue caught Nebraska right in the middle of it.

So go ahead, fire the coach. That word "fire" seems to be the only answer half of you have for anything. We will live and learn here and if we choose to fire another coach, I'm betting we continue to learn the hard way.