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Basically Polo is right, this game was not surprising if you aren't blinded by the red goggles, it was not nearly as close as the score indicated, we were embarrassed for 3.5 quarters in a big game yet again. If you aren't nervous about traveling to Wisconsin you're deluded. "All our goals are still ahead of us yadayadayada" ...look, we're shaping up to have the same season we've had the past 6 years. Wake me up when it ends.

Who else is a loss for us? Wisconsin is the best team left and Wisconsin cannot execute a forward pass. I feel like you haven't seem them play this year and think Russel Wilson still plays there. I'm not saying it's a 100% win but don't act like we've lost that game, plus two others, before they're even played.

Going for two is NEVER the right decision and WILL come back to bite you.

 

He dropped a lot of balls because they were HORRIBLY thrown balls, as I as well as many others pointed out. No reason to get butthurt about it. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

 

Um, I'm not, this is ONE game, he had 6 receptions for a TOTAL of 75 yards all of last season. He's had 5 for a total of 46 yards this season, 43 of which came tonight. I'm not saying he won't get better, I'm saying I see him fall down A LOT and drop A LOT of balls. He's still learning, he's only a Sophomore, but he needs to put the work in.

I agree with this. A few catches don't get you off the hook for spotty play all season.

This defense and offense are hamstrung by poor Oline play and a QB who can't make the east throws when he has any modicum of pressure.

Good thing our stadium sits North to South.

Missed PI on the last two plays. Just let us lose by 20 if you're going to do us like that

Casual fan, not hardcore fan, idk. Some other vague representation that he's created that doesn't fit with his personal vision of what a true college football fan should be. After all if you're a college football fan you're part of a very exclusive and strict club, with rules defining how many games you must watch per year, what media entities you must hate, and what traditions you must uphold. These rules are very strict and if you don't adhere to them, dutch will kick you out of the club and banish you to a life of a "pedestrian fan"

Finally someone gets it. I'm glad we're on the same page.

It's all good

 

It's just weird that you'd paint anyone who isn't a staunch traditionalist as a pedestrian fan.

When the tradition is what makes the sport what it is, then I think it's fairly justified. My opinion, but that's where I'm coming from.

If you're painting me as an NFL fan by may avatar, you're mistaken. I'm about 100 times more invested in college football than I am the NFL. It's just that everyone on this site has a Husker-related avatar, which seems redundant and pointless. So I went with my other team to stand out from the crowd.

I painted you as an NFL because of your opinions. That's how it struck me. I wouldn't invest that much of my argument into Clay Matthews wearing a Santa hat.

Let's break it down shall we?

You and other pedestrian fans

I have no idea what this is about.

 

I bolded what that was referencing. So if you can't get that then I don't know how I expected you to understand the rest of it. I owe you an apology.

 

 

 

More to the point: money makes the world go round. I know. All I've been saying is that it's a money grab masquerading as a "change for the better" and it seems to have people fooled. Basically that's my argument in one sentence.

It's like you didn't read any of my posts and then proceeded to call me a "pedestrian fan", followed by a bunch of made-up gibberish. Wait, that's precisely what you did.

 

Sadly, I've read all your posts. Unfortunately, there is no way to receive a refund of my time. You seem like an NFL fan that just wants something to do on Saturday, but the system in place now is too unfamiliar to you, so it MUST BE CHANGED!!!! The "vague 'soul of college football'" exists. You don't pay attention to such things, that is why I said you were a pedestrian fan. There's nothing wrong with being a pedestrian fan. Most people are pedestrian fans. Back to your original point, you aren't alone.

 

I got a bit ranty in the previous post, I'll admit to that, but it wasn't gibberish. It's been edited as I have thought better of comparing politics to football. That will only start more than it will finish.

What do we lose?

 

A) 2 Bowl games, sort of. They'll still be played, but they'll be for bigger stakes.

 

B) ??

The uniqueness of college football, tradition, and meaningful regular season games (just watch, "they can still probably get into the playoffs" will be used multiple times this season). It's change that doesn't solve anything; change for the sake of change. You post definitively saying "all of the fans of the sport want playoffs". Really? How many of those fans wanted a playoff before ESPN told them they wanted it? Enjoy being a mouthpiece.

I post definitively because that's how I always make my arguments. I don't pretend or think that I'm speaking for anyone else.

 

And I'm hardly alone. People have been complaining about the BCS since it began and had been complaining about the previous system before that. And people will likely complain that the playoff doesn't include enough teams! I am not a mouthpiece for ESPN; I hate ESPN. I've already refuted pretty much everything you can say about the regular season, the only argument left is some vague "soul of college football" intangible stuff that people like to poetically speak about, as if THIS will be the thing that destroys the soul of CFB - not conference realignment or Nike or ESPN or recruiting scandals or the thousands of alternate uniforms or overly-corporate attitude of athletic departments and media.

You and other pedestrian fans. Changing to a 4-team playoff makes more money and appeals to people who wouldn't otherwise be interested.

 

Bowls:

"You gonna watch the Sugar Bowl?"

"No I don't really follow Team X and Team Y"

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Playoffs:

"You gonna watch the NATIONAL SEMIFINAL!?"

"Yeah that's a huge game!"

 

It'll increase ratings among people who don't give a crap about college football and wouldn't normally watch it. It does away with tradition for a few extra bucks and WILL NOT solve anything.

4 teams? #5 will be pissed.

6 teams? #7 will be pissed.

8 teams? #9 will be pissed.

10+ teams? That's 17-18 games in a season for supposed student-athletes. But hey, let's just pay them all at that point. We're going that direction anyways.

Read your post. You took part of his post and went kinda strawman with it.

So no answer? That's fine.

 

And I think you need to investigate the definition of a straw man argument. Hint: it's the opposite of dealing directly with what someone actually said.

Ok.....So nobody thinks a 7-5 team is going to be in the 4 team playoff. You took one issue he raised as an example and turned it into " the anti-playoff crowd is so stupid that they think 7-5 will get you into the playoffs" except you worded it in a question, obviously. You tried to discredit an argument that was never raised.

 

What didn't I answer? I've responded appropriately twice and your counters have been:

 

"Right. So the point of mentioning it again was ... what exactly? "

and

"So no answer? That's fine."

 

I can't help you if you refuse to read my posts.

What do we lose?

 

A) 2 Bowl games, sort of. They'll still be played, but they'll be for bigger stakes.

 

B) ??

The uniqueness of college football, tradition, and meaningful regular season games (just watch, "they can still probably get into the playoffs" will be used multiple times this season). It's change that doesn't solve anything; change for the sake of change. You post definitively saying "all of the fans of the sport want playoffs". Really? How many of those fans wanted a playoff before ESPN told them they wanted it? Enjoy being a mouthpiece.

College football can prosper by imitating the NFL about as well as college baseball can the MLB. BTW, should FSU have to wait behind Purdue to draft the best high school athlete?

 

As for the 12-0 teams that didn't get a national title, I don't see why a 9-7 team that ran hot in the playoffs is any better. It was an arbitrary decision to declare the games in January more important. At least in the former case the players and fans get to talk about that year for the rest of their lives.

Are people who are against the idea of a playoff incapable of figuring out that there will never be a 9-7 team in the playoffs - or, adjusting for a 12 game schedule, a 7-5 team? We've already been over this once (at least).

You're right. We're incapable. We're stupid because we don't see how arbitrarily inviting four teams is better than arbitrarily inviting two. That was the point to his post. Clearly you missed it.

Right. So the point of mentioning it again was ... what exactly?

Read your post. You took part of his post and went kinda strawman with it.

Yeah...Sure you were....Except that you chose an example tailored to your argument versus his, although it was a poor example and it doesn't really fit at all......

I did that on purpose to make fun of his argument. I mean I didn't think that would be so hard to comprehend. See above.

I get what you were trying to do, I really do. It wasn't a joke though. You were saying that saying CFB was fine with a playoff is like saying America was fine with slavery. However the two don't even match up for satirical purposes, at least the way you presented it. List item #3: Satire.

College football can prosper by imitating the NFL about as well as college baseball can the MLB. BTW, should FSU have to wait behind Purdue to draft the best high school athlete?

 

As for the 12-0 teams that didn't get a national title, I don't see why a 9-7 team that ran hot in the playoffs is any better. It was an arbitrary decision to declare the games in January more important. At least in the former case the players and fans get to talk about that year for the rest of their lives.

Are people who are against the idea of a playoff incapable of figuring out that there will never be a 9-7 team in the playoffs - or, adjusting for a 12 game schedule, a 7-5 team? We've already been over this once (at least).

You're right. We're incapable. We're stupid because we don't see how arbitrarily inviting four teams is better than arbitrarily inviting two. That was the point to his post. Clearly you missed it.

LOL, it's always fun to wait for the first person who has no valid point so he goes straight to the "well we had slavery for 400 years" or "That sounds like the way they did it in Nazi Germany". Too funny. Brilliant response!

Except that was me MAKING FUN OF YOUR AWFUL LOGIC. And you didn't understand the joke. Which doesn't shock me at this point.

Yeah...Sure you were....Except that you chose an example tailored to your argument versus his, although it was a poor example and it doesn't really fit at all......

I'm quite sure there won't be any blowback allowed on espn because it will be their investment. What will happen is a general malaise will creep in over the regular season. Instead of admitting that they rendered it irrelevant, big wigs will yak about how kids would rather be on tablets than in the stands, or the games taking too long, or we need a new Jumbotron. The football season will lose importance like college bball, and the powers won't want to hear that they engineered it themselves.

The NFL lets almost half their teams into the playoffs. And they play more regular season games than college football. And the regular season is HUGE. Again, this is not college basketball. The regular season is not going to be diminished in any way. I'm not sure why that's a talking point really

Just because those who oppose a playoff need a talking point. Doesn't have to have any basis in reality.

 

Same applies to those who say "We don't need a playoff. The regular season is a playoff." If that's true, how can a team go undefeated and not even get to play for the championship?

I think the same can be said for those who say we do need a playoff. College football was fine for over 100 years without a playoff. Just because there are those who have some sort of weird psychological need for imaginary resolution doesn't mean a truly successful sport should face the kinds of draconian changes that will come with a multi-team playoff format.

This kind of logic is horrible. America was fine for 80-some years before slavery was outlawed. There are obvious reasons for having a playoff, as well as the monetary reasons. None of which is going to kill the sport as we know it. "draconian changes" lmfao

So you can write "American History" on the list of things you don't understand. Right below "College Football".

 

Step 1: Make a stretch that would challenge most gymnasts. (college football to slavery)

Step 2: Allow connotations to do the rest. (no playoff=slavery)

Step 3: Profit.

 

Well done, sir.

Because they're UCF from the Sun Big American East. Is that a real question?

Yes, it's a real question. Good try but UCF wasn't undefeated.

 

There have been several non-BCS schools go undefeated and didn't get to play for the title. Not that I think they deserved it but if a team with a loss gets in over an undefeated team, it's not a playoff - it's a judgement.

 

But Auburn did go undefeated in 2004 and didn't get to play for the title either.

Ok so UCF had a loss, the point I was making is that it's UCF and they don't play anyone (a team such as UCF will likely be a wasted playoff spot in the 4-team system, even more so in an 8-team). Same concept. Outside of Auburn in 2004 (which I already brought up, welcome to the party, the food's a bit cold but I'm sure it's ok), there has not been one team from a major conference go undefeated and not play for a national title (that wasn't under sanctions, tOSU). Boise State? If you're a Boiseutahtexaschristian sympathizer.....then I suppose we're done here, as there is no reasoning with such people.

I'm quite sure there won't be any blowback allowed on espn because it will be their investment. What will happen is a general malaise will creep in over the regular season. Instead of admitting that they rendered it irrelevant, big wigs will yak about how kids would rather be on tablets than in the stands, or the games taking too long, or we need a new Jumbotron. The football season will lose importance like college bball, and the powers won't want to hear that they engineered it themselves.

The NFL lets almost half their teams into the playoffs. And they play more regular season games than college football. And the regular season is HUGE. Again, this is not college basketball. The regular season is not going to be diminished in any way. I'm not sure why that's a talking point really

Just because those who oppose a playoff need a talking point. Doesn't have to have any basis in reality.

 

Same applies to those who say "We don't need a playoff. The regular season is a playoff." If that's true, how can a team go undefeated and not even get to play for the championship?

Because they're UCF from the Sun Big American East. Is that a real question?

How long til they're on SEC ooc schedules?

Ok....I gotta comment on this because this argument the anti playoff crowd makes just makes my head explode.

 

You can still have your bowls!!!!!!!!!!

 

If Iowa state and Vanderbilt still want to go to the Blue Bonnet Butter Me Up bowl. .....guess what....they still can.

 

A playoff changes nothing with the bowls.

We can still have bowls....just two of the main ones that have meaning are semi-finals now and have no finality. "If you like your bowls, you can keep them...."

Whats with the dummies with the uniforms on?? is it to remind the players how to put theirs on???

 

Yea, and they have visual diagrams showin how to tie shoes too.

NCAA Football is not comparable to basketball. Basketball is way less popular to start, has been hurt a lot the the early jumps to the NBA, and has a ton more games. Basketball games are just games - football games are day-long events. This playoff is not going to hurt college football in any way, shape, or form. Nor will an 8 or 16 team playoff.

Adding more teams adds more randomness, which will hurt college football long-term.

Just like it's hurt the NFL right?

 

It will absolutely not. Having more teams in championship contention or playoff qualification contention at any point in time will only increase interest.

How many years have wildcard road teams (5 and 6 seeds) made or won the Super Bowl? They didn't even win their division. Anything can happen in the playoffs and the more teams you add, the more ridiculous it becomes. As an example, how many times does the best team win the NCAA basketball tournament? Rarely. Football and basketball aren't the same, as you've said but, the same principle applies. The more teams you add, the greater the chance of someone less deserving winning the title.

NCAA Football is not comparable to basketball. Basketball is way less popular to start, has been hurt a lot the the early jumps to the NBA, and has a ton more games. Basketball games are just games - football games are day-long events. This playoff is not going to hurt college football in any way, shape, or form. Nor will an 8 or 16 team playoff.

Adding more teams adds more randomness, which will hurt college football long-term.

 

Nobody is saying multiple rounds isn't a playoff, you are the one saying that a single round isn't a playoff. That is incorrect. A single game can be a playoff.

 

 

I said nothing of the sort.

Then what are you even arguing?

 

Looks like you're the only one who doesn't get it.

Wow...reduced this to trolling, eh?