GMoose

A different thread just rolled into all the stuff you've broken during a frustrating game. Last year's aTm game when they called that roughing the passer that basically cost us the game, I stormed out of my buddy's house and slammed the door so hard the glass in the door broke?

Bo-nose has got some good ones...

What's the worst you've done HB?

This is too good. I'm making a thread of this

Two Finley Dunne references in one thread? Holy Pulitzer batman

It speaks volumes that I need specifics pointed out to me? What is that insinuating other than me being an idiot?

 

It means that you have a very different opinion than I do, and that your focus is on the side of the reporter, not on the side of the player.

 

I have no idea how you can 1) Think that's in any way an "attack" on you, and 2) How you can insinuate that I'm attacking you, but think that Dirk's article, which is FAR MORE pointed in tone, is NOT attacking Martinez.

 

Wow, GMoose. I really hope you're joking here.

Well we're not important here so I'll disregard that. The only time Dirk comes close to attacking Martinez is in the first point when he says the UW loss was on him, and I already said I don't agree with that statement, I think that was on Beck. Hell, Dirk even goes on to say it was Beck who put Martinez in the position to fail.

I don't remember specifically his manner during the Texas game, but he always looks like he's sulking to me. In your memory, was it really that overtly non-sulking that you think Dirk's working was malicious?

Also, I can't say enough that when I ask a question I'm trying to get an answer, not be condescending. I know my wording comes off that way sometimes, but these are questions, not sarcastic rhetorical remarks.

It speaks volumes that I need specifics pointed out to me? What is that insinuating other than me being an idiot?

The tone of the article was unnecessarily vindictive. It speaks volumes that you need specifics to be pointed out to you.

 

Specifically:

When he sulked on the sideline during the Texas game; didn't show up for a team function after the Texas A&M game; declared Nebraska "my team and no one else's team" after a win yet avoided press conferences after losses the way most people avoid cleaning gutters.

 

 

When Pelini made excuses for every Martinez mistake, insisting that Taylor was healthy last year when he wasn't.

 

I don't see how a person can read this and in any way think it's appropriate. Dirk isn't a message-board poster, he's a journalist. Hiding behind the facade of "opinion piece" is a crock.

 

I especially got a kick out of 'Stop with the "Woe is me." ' Dirk is projecting, again hiding behind the cloak of "opinion piece." I could give example after example.

 

Bottom line is, Dirk is getting less criticism for his unnecessarily aggressive articles, for his unnecessary muck-raking, and his peers in the press are sick of it.

 

And yet, Dirk gets support from the fans, while Martinez gets grief.

Wow, I try to be civil and you of all people attack me. Interesting. You should get a job with NU media relations, you would fit right in there.

It shocks me that you think a reporter can't write an article because it might make someone sad. That's freedom of speech. If we didn't have anyone to question the status quo and make someone a little uncomfortable from time to time, what's the point of free speech?

Good journalism comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable. Sorry we live in a world of duality.

I think you've misunderstood what I asked. I didn't ask if you agreed with the critiques, I asked if you agreed with the manner in which he leveled those criticisms.

 

Specifically, do you think there was nothing at all wrong with the adjectives Dirk used to describe Martinez, or to draw a picture of his character?

Gotcha. For the most part, I do agree (in the manner you're asking) with the way I said in those points. Would i have done some differently? For sure. But it was a column, and Dirk gets to form an opinion in that column. There's not ever going to be a column that I agree with down to every word.

Are there any specific examples from that article you're referring to?

I've met GMoose. He's not Dirk.

You caught me. I am in fact Dirk Chatelain.

Knapp, that extremely good looking young man you met last season saying he was gmoose was just a kid a paid 10 bucks to say that.

GMoose - you agree with Dirk's criticism of Martinez. Do you also agree with the manner in which Dirk went about criticizing him?

In the article or the presser?

The article.

Point 1 - No. The Madison meltdown was on Beck IMO, not Martinez' fault if they don't play to his strengths.

Points 2-5 - Yes.

Point 6 - Didn't really think about this until I saw the article. But that point is more about Bo than Martinez, so not really relevant here.

Point 7 - Absolutely.

Point 8 - Not really much opinion in there.

Point 9 - Yes.

Point 10 - Yes.

GMoose - you agree with Dirk's criticism of Martinez. Do you also agree with the manner in which Dirk went about criticizing him?

In the article or the presser?

Some reporters, not all, make a name for themselves by writing critical stories. But I can pretty much guarantee you that reporters don't go into press conferences with Bo thinking about how to piss him off to up their website hits, even a guy like Dirk. That's just not what it's like, and it's naive to think this is as big of a scheme you make it out to be. Dirk has seemed to have an agenda with this program for the last few years, but I truly doubt he wants to get slapped around like Bo did to him last night, all in the name of website hits. That's embarrassing for a reporter.

 

Dirk has dug himself his own grave with Pelini I think. Dirk has always been critical, always asked reasonable questions but then written critically about those answers. However, you'll notice that Dirk is one of the few Nebraska reporters who gets the most flak from readers, and rightfully so. I'm fairly sure Dirk's first question to Bo was a reasonable one, but because Bo knew it was Dirk who asked it, and because Bo didn't like what Dirk wrote, Bo railed on him.

 

The single most damning indictment of Dirk Chatelain is the room applauded Bo as he left, just after the exchange with Dirk.

 

If that were a trial, Dirk would have just been convicted by a jury of his peers.

Are you saying the applause was directed at Dirk rather than the 21 point comeback?

You know why the story lines are people thinking the story line is how the media tries to piss off Bo just to get his reaction? Because Bo gets pissed off by the media way too easily. Are we just supposed to lob him softballs to keep him happy? Hell no. Do you honestly think the reporters in there want that badly to piss off Bo? Do you how uncomfortable that is as a reporter? I know some think each media member is a cold soulless bastard, but they don't like getting railed like that.

 

Dirk wasn't out of bounds at all. He's not trying to force the story, he's trying to get what's there with what little insight Bo gives.

Hi, there's this thing called online advertising. You see, the OWH makes money through page hits. The best way to guarantee page hits is to write inflamatory stories that will spread like wildfire.

 

That's how writers like Dirk stay employed. You're extremely naive if you don't see this.

It is a sad commentary on the state of the modern fan when a newspaper reporter who has gone out of his way to write incendiary articles gets more defense from Husker fans than our coach and the player the reporter targets.

I'm curious, how many people truly believe that reporters go out of their way to anger/criticize/demean/question/rile/etc. Bo?

Any person who's not dumb enough to believe everything the media says as gospel.

Some reporters, not all, make a name for themselves by writing critical stories. But I can pretty much guarantee you that reporters don't go into press conferences with Bo thinking about how to piss him off to up their website hits, even a guy like Dirk. That's just not what it's like, and it's naive to think this is as big of a scheme you make it out to be. Dirk has seemed to have an agenda with this program for the last few years, but I truly doubt he wants to get slapped around like Bo did to him last night, all in the name of website hits. That's embarrassing for a reporter.

 

Dirk has dug himself his own grave with Pelini I think. Dirk has always been critical, always asked reasonable questions but then written critically about those answers. However, you'll notice that Dirk is one of the few Nebraska reporters who gets the most flak from readers, and rightfully so. I'm fairly sure Dirk's first question to Bo was a reasonable one, but because Bo knew it was Dirk who asked it, and because Bo didn't like what Dirk wrote, Bo railed on him.

Well said.

I'm not attacking Dirk mostly because I agree with his long-haul assessment of Martinez. It's fickle to jump on Martinez for one bad performance (against UW) but it's just as fickle to anoint him a super star for one good performance (last night).

I'm not a Martinez hater, I just don't think we win championships with him. I would argue that last night was far and away his best performance considering the caliber of OSU's defense.

IMO this whole thing started with Dirk's article from friday and I just agree with most of the stuff he said in it.

If we would make some tackles, this defense could at least be slightly above average. It's so uncharacteristic of a Pelini defense to miss so many tackles.

Oh, and keep SJB where he for the love of god. Seriously, where did he come from. He makes a PBU and and INT in a span of like 5 plays and we've been playing Aaron Green all year?

It is a sad commentary on the state of the modern fan when a newspaper reporter who has gone out of his way to write incendiary articles gets more defense from Husker fans than our coach and the player the reporter targets.

I'm curious, how many people truly believe that reporters go out of their way to anger/criticize/demean/question/rile/etc. Bo?

Did he actually say "It's all Nebraska's fault"? What a tool

GMoose....he was asking some straight up dumb questions that barely had any revelance to the game. He was just trying to test Bo and not be a PROFESSIONAL journalist...that's my opinion on the matter....GBR

I agree, it wasn't a terribly important thing to ask at the time. But that's how Dirk operates - sometimes you has to take risks to get to the good stuff. People freak out on him cause Bo doesn't like him, they need to realize he's doing his job. OWH doesn't just go around hiring scrubs.

Making the media and himself the story is not part of his job as a reporter. If he were a columnist that might be different. But he's now the Fox News of Nebraska football reporting. One of the biggest story lines the past two season is how the media likes to piss Bo off and then to chastise him for getting the reaction they were trying to get. Shouldn't the beat reporter actually cover the beat and not be it? I will bet that most everything he does now will be more about making a lot of noise to draw attention to himself and the OWH than covering the team. In the end they be like ... oh yeah we'll throw in a bit of football so it looks like we're trying to cover that objectively. As a former journalist he's embarrassing to me and the exact example of what we were taught not to do.

 

Someone made the comment about handling Dirk in private. Its been done more than once. And Bo addressing this clown is nothing on the time TO took a guy to task and made him look like a fool.

You know why the story lines are people thinking the story line is how the media tries to piss off Bo just to get his reaction? Because Bo gets pissed off by the media way too easily. Are we just supposed to lob him softballs to keep him happy? Hell no. Do you honestly think the reporters in there want that badly to piss off Bo? Do you how uncomfortable that is as a reporter? I know some think each media member is a cold soulless bastard, but they don't like getting railed like that.

Dirk wasn't out of bounds at all. He's not trying to force the story, he's trying to get what's there with what little insight Bo gives.

GMoose....he was asking some straight up dumb questions that barely had any revelance to the game. He was just trying to test Bo and not be a PROFESSIONAL journalist...that's my opinion on the matter....GBR

I agree, it wasn't a terribly important thing to ask at the time. But that's how Dirk operates - sometimes you has to take risks to get to the good stuff. People freak out on him cause Bo doesn't like him, they need to realize he's doing his job. OWH doesn't just go around hiring scrubs.

I cannot believe how quick some people are to support Bo for acting like a jackass. If Edward R. Murrow himself would have got snapped at by Bo he would be a crappy reporter apparently.

It may not be comfortable, but some questions just need to be asked. Was Dirk's one of them? Maybe, maybe not. For someone who "cares" so little about what the media says, he jammed his foot pretty far up his mouth snapping at a reporting after he told him how much he disproved of his article.

It sounds cold, but the cute warm feeling loses its shine at about middle school football. It is to bad that we don't have a leader like Curenski who is a more active starter

It's ridiculous how limited media access is through our athletic department. I hate it. I think Bo think's it's a competitive advantage, and the compliance office is just asking to be investigated.

 

I'll tell you what, they found themselves a coach in Bo who hates the media as much as UNL media relations

 

What are you talking about? The media has no less access here than any other school. What more access to this school, team, etc should they have? And why in the world do you trust the media with greater access?

Nebraska has way less media access than most schools, by far. They can't cover practice. They rarely let players do interviews. You'd be surprised at the lengths at the lengths one has to go to to talk to a player.

And I don't believe the media is out to destroy the program. They want the story. Unfortunately, some people get mad when you publish the truth. Weird.

It's ridiculous how limited media access is through our athletic department. I hate it. I think Bo think's it's a competitive advantage, and the compliance office is just asking to be investigated.

I'll tell you what, they found themselves a coach in Bo who hates the media as much as UNL media relations

The problems is that he's just not a quarterback. Nuff said. He was put into the position and he's doing his best I'm sure (and I hope), but he's just not cut out for it. It like if we had put Joe Ganz out there at I-back and criticized him when he sucked. It's a tough position, and I don't think it's his fault. He's just not in the right place.

Bo just said he was "questionable" for the Ohio State game. I see him every day and he's had a noticeable limp, and he has been heavily wrapped with and ACE bandage, nothing more. Doesn't look too serious, but it's been two weeks...

My faith lies in two years - 2007 and 2009. We put together a competent offense in 2007. Championship calibler? Hell no. But competent. In 2009, we had the best defense in the nation. Bo has shown the capability to put together an elite defense. Do we have the resources like Florida and Texas schools for elite offense? No. But we had a good one in 2007 with our limited NE recruiting advantages. If you stick 2007 offense with 2009's defense, we're playing four quarters with Bama in the BCS championship. It's still possible. It'll take the right coaching, impeccable timing and a little luck, but it's possible.