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http://adventuresinmommyhood2009.blogspot.com/2011/11/to-penn-staters-and-fans-of-joe-pa.html

Wow - this blog post brings up a horrific point:

Don't worry, Penn Staters--- YOU ARE not this scandal. YOU ARE not just Joe Paterno's football fans. YOU ARE not just Penn State.

 

BUT most importantly, (and hopefully) YOU ARE not the victim of the heinous crimes we are talking about here. YOU ARE not that child who was being anally raped by a trusted football coach in a reputable college's locker room, that child who looked out in fear at the grad student who saw you bent over--- that child who probably thought at that moment "Thank you, sweet lord, for sending this angel who will save me from this man." That child who was never saved.

 

The safety of children is always more important than football. Inaction is often the worst action- that's what was done for all these years. That's why Joe's gotta go.

Ridiculous... this was a modern day witch hunt fueled by careless media making a lot of assumptions and suppositions with no real basis on factual evidence - that the BoT fired Paterno is not surprising given the rumors they've been trying to oust him for years, but fervor for which "we" were clamoring for his firing to "punish" him is repugnant.

 

The whole "he should have morally done more" argument is the result of hindsight and a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. It's always much easier to see how a someone screwed up after the fact and what they should've/could've done to change things - it's much, much harder to perform at that kind of level of self-realization during a situation. As for the "I would've done this or kicked this person's ***&^^*, " well, we're all real tough on the internet, but the majority of us would have done no more than he did - reported it to his superiors - and of those who actually may have done more (which is very few) even fewer could actually back it up. Honestly, disgusted at what was done to those boys, disgusted it was covered up and disgusted with the pitchfork and torches mob mentality that we've allowed ourselves to be stirred up into by the media.

 

Thank goodness our legal system gives zero weight to judgement of the court of public opinion, else we'd all hang. I only hope that the rioting is quelled before anyone gets seriously hurt as there's no need to had further injury, hurt and pain to this mess of a situation.

 

This is what i don't like the about the whole situation. Curley or Schultz could have easily told Paterno or McQueary that it had been turned over to the authorities or that it was taken care of.

 

But because of the media fueled firestorm. Everyone is made to look like the bad guy.

 

Right - how many years ago was that? If you caught someone at work sodomizing a kid (a 10 year old boy) and you told your boss and the a-hole was still visiting your place of employment 10 YEARS LATER, you wouldn't have some kind of issue with that?!

 

6 years actually. They have been investigating Sandusky since 2008, incident happened in 2002. Look im not going to swallow everything ESPN shoves down my throat. I would much rather wait for the PA police to release the official police statement after gathering all the evidence and witness statements.

 

Done for the night.

Or you could just read the indictment that has been posted all over this board. ESPN didn't write that.

Ridiculous... this was a modern day witch hunt fueled by careless media making a lot of assumptions and suppositions with no real basis on factual evidence - that the BoT fired Paterno is not surprising given the rumors they've been trying to oust him for years, but fervor for which "we" were clamoring for his firing to "punish" him is repugnant.

 

The whole "he should have morally done more" argument is the result of hindsight and a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. It's always much easier to see how a someone screwed up after the fact and what they should've/could've done to change things - it's much, much harder to perform at that kind of level of self-realization during a situation. As for the "I would've done this or kicked this person's ***&^^*, " well, we're all real tough on the internet, but the majority of us would have done no more than he did - reported it to his superiors - and of those who actually may have done more (which is very few) even fewer could actually back it up. Honestly, disgusted at what was done to those boys, disgusted it was covered up and disgusted with the pitchfork and torches mob mentality that we've allowed ourselves to be stirred up into by the media.

 

Thank goodness our legal system gives zero weight to judgement of the court of public opinion, else we'd all hang. I only hope that the rioting is quelled before anyone gets seriously hurt as there's no need to had further injury, hurt and pain to this mess of a situation.

If you think for one minute I'm going to spare a drop of sympathy for Paterno, you're fooling yourself. The only people I have sympathy for are the kids who were raped and abused.

Where are you seeing these crowd images/video?

Twitter.

thanks!

Where are you seeing these crowd images/video?

I wouldn't say Warren is a Socialist (part of the Socialist Party) but she leans more that way than towards Capitalism.

Voter ID isn't voter suppression. Geez. I hate when people used intentionally biased language to rename something neutral. It's at best misleading and at worst a lie.

Being able to just show a valid ID at the polls here in Minnesota would be much easier than what we currently have.

"Joe Paterno had a team meeting Monday, told the players HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT JERRY SANDUSKY, everything came as a surprise to him ... asst coach McQueary was "distraught" and told his players he might be gone before Saturday's game." That's what Kim Jones of Yes (in Happy Valley) just said on WFAN radio

Wow. That would be....has any school ever cancelled the rest of their season of football because of scandal?

I don't know, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Sandusky retire in 1999 and only use the facilities. Didn't JoPa report an incident to his superiors? What about the Grad student who witnessed the action why isn't he culpable. Come on folks, your right, I would have followed up, coach should have, but to force him out and say he is guilty is insane.

 

You need to read the grand jury report to understand this. Warning, though, it is horrifying and many people can't get through it completely. There's a lot more here than "an incident." There was a direct witness to a boy being forcibly raped in a Penn State shower. That witness told Paterno, and he relayed the info to his superiors. You need to understand the magnitude of these allegations to understand why JoePa (and everyone else who knew what Sandusky was doing) abdicated his responsibility so thoroughly by not making sure the police were contacted. Even worse, as recently as 2007 Sandusky was still coming to closed practices with young boys - AFTER Paterno and the school knew about the 1999 and 2002 incidents. In 2009, Sandusky was allowed to run an overnight football camp for youngsters on the Penn State campus. Sandusky was still allowed to use workout facilities as recently as last week.

 

This is huge, and I don't think it's quite hit most of the public how ugly it is. That will sink in over the coming days and weeks.

 

OK so I read all 23 pages. I still do not see where JoPa had direct knowledge of any sexual contact. Even in the earlier statements, he says there was inappropriate behavior on Sandusky's part. Before I go on, lets get one thing straight, in no way am I defending the actions of anyone involved. I am simply stating that JoPa should not get fired for his part. I am more disgusted by the grad assistant who at the age of 28 had to run home to daddy and tell him and NOT stop what he saw or Joesph Miller the wrestling coach who witnessed an incident and the janitor who ran and told everyone but did nothing to stop the attack including the police that listen in on a mothers conversation with him and the then DA that did nothing about it. WTF. This has nothing to do with living in the past (1960's) either. This is a sad story about a beloved coach that got away with it because no witness stepped in to stop it. JoPa turn the information over to his superiors, one of which oversaw the Campus Police. It wasn't his job to follow up, it was Gary Schultz as overseer of the campus police and Tim Curley, his boss.

Paterno is a Mandated Reporter - (a professional such as a teacher or a coach is required by law to report any suspected or observed child abuse or neglect to the police.)

Not sure if this belongs in other teams section, but....

Should Joe Paterno Survive Penn State’s Child Sex Scandal?

Paterno, of all people, was never supposed to go out like this.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/11/08/should-joe-paterno-survive-penn-states-child-sex-scandal/

Long story short, JoePa was told by a witness that something of a sexual nature happened between Sandusky and a 10 year old boy and instead of calling the police, he told his boss. And then let it go at that.

This makes me sad. Like the TIME writer, I would never have expected JoePa to not ferociously move to protect a child. This will tarnish him forever. Rightfully.

Nothing to see here... just the collapse of the euro... and maybe the entire global economic system

Hey, remember my last bloggingheads, when I went to the 1930s analogy to describe the current problems in the global political economy? Well, that was a few days ago, and my, how things have changed -- to make that 1930's analogy even more powerful. The eurogoggles metahor may be coming to an end -- because the situation is so dire that even the cheeriest summit won't alter perceptions in financial markets.

http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/11/07/nothing_to_see_here_just_the_collapse_of_the_euro_and_maybe_the_entire_global_econo

I know, people usually don't click the link and read the article, they just skin the snip posted. But really, read the article. It's short and contains the pertinent snips from 2 other articles. Worth reading and tells you why eyes should be on Italy, not Greece, as the canary in the coal mine for the direction of the EU and how that can affect the USA.

I know both Marxists and anarchists who are prominently part of the Occupy movement. I don't say that as a pejorative, that's just what they believe. (Also - many anarchists are also pacifists)

To bring the thread back on topic ...

Although I'm pretty sure I won't like some of the solutions that will be proposed by Occupy groups, there will be some that have broader appeal. Plus, I think for our type of government to work, we need to have citizens actively engaged in all aspects, which includes idea generation. I'm not a big fan of the idea that only 'experts' should or can come up with solutions to problems.

And yeah, I include elected officials as 'experts.' Our politicians aren't in Washington to rule over us, they are there to be our voice. Nothing more, nothing less. If the politicans forget that, it's about time we remind them. If we forget that, Gods help us.

So if between them (Tea Party and Occupy) the population is woken up to our responsibilities as citizens to be active participants, that's all to the good.

I still can't hardly talk about this. It was no one thing that caused the loss, it was a death of a thousand cuts.

 

I am distracted by the girl in the far right picture.

That's my son's girlfriend. She's a cutie!

Husker Players and Coaches: As a fan, I'm dissapointed in the loss, but I can't imagine how you must be feeling. You worked for years just to get on the team. You prepare and train for every game day. You juggle school and football and try to also have a life. You suffer (and play) through injuries that would send me to the doctor begging for a vicodin necklace that I could lick on all day. All I do is pull on my sweatshirt, make a pot of chili, and sit in front of the tv or in the stands at the stadium.

Yet as a fan, I'm totally into you. I know your names, faces, where you went to high school, how fast you can run, what your major is, and if your parents attend the games. I root for you every Saturday, not only as a team, but as individuals. Yeah, I'm into you. And sometimes like the stalker girlfriend I am, I get too into the you. I say stupid stuff. I'm harsh in my critisisms. I forget that you are people with your own feelings. I kick you when you are down because I'm down. Forgive me when I do that and realize that I'm probably drunk and/or temporarily insane when that happens. Thankfully, it doesn't happen often.

I love watching you play. As a team and as individuals, I love watching you develop and make the most of your opportunites. Shake this loss off, easier said than done, I know. But shake it off. Go to class this week. Kiss your girlfriend. Joke with your friends. Prepare for the next team, make the most of the next opportunity.

I support you - win or lose. Husker Nation supports you - win or lose.

Then come back on Saturday and kick the crap out of Penn State while we all cheer like crazy for you!

I still can't hardly talk about this. It was no one thing that caused the loss, it was a death of a thousand cuts.

A few observations:

The various kind-of governments representing the Arab Palestinians have, and continue, to state that the destruction/elimination of Israel is one of their objectives. They state it in various ways, one of the sneakiest, is to say something like they want a return to "X year's borders" and that year pre-dates the creation of Israel.

 

Hamas does not recognize Israel because it does not recognize its current borders as legitimate.

 

Then again, Israel does not recognize Palestine's right to exist... as evidenced by their military occupation and blockade of an open air concentration camp.

 

Which Arabs "want a return to "X year's borders" and that year pre-dates the creation of Israel"?

 

Israel usually contacts us before they take action. We have talked them out of taking direct action in the past, or at least into modifying their plans. But our relationship has deteriorated during the Obama administration that I'm sure admin officials are, and should be, worried about Israel taking action and not giving us a heads up. We've lost our ability to influence them because we've lost their trust. That is not only unfortunate, it's dangerous.

 

So we approved the Cast Lead massacre and the invasion of Lebanon?

 

Wow, that speaks very poorly of our government.

Sub - dial it back a bit if you want to have a discussion.

One thing I don't understand in the discussion of creating a physical state for Palestine is why the Palestinian territory EAST of the Jordan river is never brought up. The entirety of the current countries of Israel and Jordan are what was Palestine before 1923. Jordan accounts for 3/4 of Palestine's original land mass. The other thing that puzzles me is that up until the 1940's both the Jews and Arabs living in the Palestinian lands were called Palestinians. I'm unclear why that terminology changed to exclude the Jews who had also lived there for thousands of years and the Jordanians.

I have maps loaded below to show the land ownership progression.

1517-1917 Turkey's Ottoman Empire controlled a vast Arab empire, a portion of which is today Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine.

1917 - During World War I, Turkey supported Germany. When Germany was defeated, so were the Turks, and they lost control of some of their territory. The southern portion of their Ottoman Empire was "mandated" (given, to look over and administer) to France and Britain under the Sykes-Picot Agreement. Lebanon and Syria were assigned to France - Palestine (today's Jordan, Israel and West Bank) was assigned to Great Britain.

1923 - the British divided the Palestine portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river, Arabs could be either West or East of the Jordan river but were encouraged to move East. The area East of the Jordan river was now called Trans-Jordan. The division of Palestine was to have this effect: 25% of Palestine (West of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish Palestinian homeland. 75% of Palestine East of the river was to be the Arab Palestinian homeland. This was to ease tensions and make governing the area easier for the Brits.

1947 - the British had enough and turned the Palestine matter over to the newly formed United Nations. The 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a second Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentrations. The Jewish Palestinians accepted, but the Arab Palestinians rejected the UN Resolution.

1948 - On May 14, 1948 the Palestinian Jews declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." The next day, seven neighboring Arab armies (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen) invaded Israel. The UN estimates a bit over 400,000 Arab Palestinians fled Israel during this short war.

When the 19 month war ended, Israel survived. The Arabs who did not flee became today's Israeli-Arab citizens. Those who fled became the first wave of Palestinian Arab refugees.

The end result of the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence was the creation of a Jewish State slightly larger than that which was proposed by the 1947 United Nations Resolution 181. What remained of that almost-created second Arab Palestinian State was taken by Egypt (occupying the Gaza Strip) and by Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria which we now call the "West Bank" of the Jordan River) and Jerusalem.)

1950 Trans-Jordan formally merged this West Bank territory into itself and granted all the Palestinian Arabs living there Jordanian citizenship.

1949-67 All of Judea-Samaria [West Bank & Jerusalem] and Gaza are under Jordanian & Egyptian control.

1967 - The 6 Days War. Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian armies mobilized along Israel's borders in preparation for a massive invasion to eliminate the State of Israel. Israel won the war and the Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians lost Gaza, the West Bank and Golan Heights. Israel also captures the entire Sinai Desert from Egypt.

1982 - Israel gives the Sinai back to Egypt.

And here we are today. In all the focus over Israel, the world has lost sight that Jordan was created to be, and is, an Arab Palestinian state and Israel was created to be, and is, a Jewish Palestinian state.

There's a difference between "Locking down the borders and withdrawing from world politics" and deciding that the USA shouldn't be using offensive military action to impose it's will on other countries. We have troops on the ground or supporting military action in how many countries right now? Can you even name them all? I doubt it because it's more than most people are aware of.

A few observations:

The various kind-of governments representing the Arab Palestinians have, and continue, to state that the destruction/elimination of Israel is one of their objectives. They state it in various ways, one of the sneakiest, is to say something like they want a return to "X year's borders" and that year pre-dates the creation of Israel.

Israel usually contacts us before they take action. We have talked them out of taking direct action in the past, or at least into modifying their plans. But our relationship has deteriorated during the Obama administration that I'm sure admin officials are, and should be, worried about Israel taking action and not giving us a heads up. We've lost our ability to influence them because we've lost their trust. That is not only unfortunate, it's dangerous.

...when I no longer suffer from 'Husker Tummy' on game day, even when playing unranked teams. There's been far too many games where I regret eating anything before the game and certainly can't eat anything at halftime.

 

 

In my opinion and per the opinions of most OWS demonstrators, we have to much capitalism that is starting to overlap with facsism, and not enough socialism (for the people) in the mix. With the bank bailouts, there is plenty of socialism for the banks that were deemed too big to fail.

Actually what we currently have is the worst of both Socialism and Capitalism. We keep profits private, but the losses are underwritten by the government(the people). And we encourage monopolies in vital industries. This has been our problem and we need to correct it.

What we used to have, for a brief time, was some of the better parts of both systems. Profits and losses were private and created a Darwinian system of business. The government stepped in primarily to protect intellectual property and to break up monopolies. We had a few industries that are Socialized, but not many. (Security/Police, interstate roads, etc) We need to either return to that (that is my preference) or move forward to real Socialism where if the Government is on the dime for losses, it also gets the profits. But either, at this point, is preferable to the bassackwards system we have going now.