Brion Carnes

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I've seen Tyrod Taylor play before, I watched the game tonight. I think the comparison is easy to make because they both throw and run but from just watching Carnes he looks a thousand times more nimble than Tyrod Taylor does. I have high hopes for him. I just hope they don't get dashed. Of course anything is possible but I know in the LJS about 10 days ago Pelini had some really, really good words to say when asked about Carnes.

Bo on Carnes:

Brion Carnes: We couldn't go any further without mention of a quarterback, right?

After a decommitment last year from Tyler Gabbert, the Huskers turned their recruiting attention to Carnes. It's been well-documented that Carnes is the cousin of Tommie Frazier, and comes from the same Manatee High School in Bradenton, Fla., as the former Husker great.

The 6-foot-1, 190-pound Carnes had thoughts of going to Western Kentucky, but ultimately signed with NU, saying he wants to win championships.

And while fans and media spent the fall with a microscope on Taylor Martinez, Carnes went about his business and showed he has the potential to be a factor here.

"He's a very strong, accurate passer," Pelini said. "He makes some great throws against us."

The throws are one thing. But it is Carnes' diligence to detail that has impressed just as much.

"I like him because he is such a conscientious football player," Pelini said. "A lot of guys spend their year on the scout team just going through the motions and doing what the card says. But Brion competes. He competes every play. That's just who he is by nature. And he's out to please. He's constantly wanting feedback from the defensive coaches, asking, 'Hey, am I giving you a good look? What can I do better?' He would study the quarterback for that week and try to emulate him. He's that kind of kid."
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This kid has a shot to start next year. I think he brings speed and a elusiveness to the position. He throws well on the run. Look how hard it was to defend Luck on the run. He can hit WR's/TE's on the run. Carnes is very good at this. Look at some of his tape from his senior season. He started as a freshman in HS. The same high school that Tommy Frazier started as a junior. Dark horse but I say he will be the started by the start of big 10 play.
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This is of course assuming we have a competent offensive coordinator that recognizes this ability and rolls the pocket, calls bootlegs, etc. to suit Carnes. Even if that's not the case, he'll be throwing on the run plenty. Meaning, on the run for his life, especially given the way our line has pass blocked this season.

 
This is of course assuming we have a competent offensive coordinator that recognizes this ability and rolls the pocket, calls bootlegs, etc. to suit Carnes. Even if that's not the case, he'll be throwing on the run plenty. Meaning, on the run for his life, especially given the way our line has pass blocked this season.
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As if we didn't have one this year?

Taylor was not rolled out to throw on the run because he is really, really not good at it. Contrary to what most people believe, speed or burst is not what enables QBs to be good at throwing on the run.

Incidentally, it was talked about last night how Tyrod was uncanny in his ability to set his feet and throw on the run.

 
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zoogies said:
This is of course assuming we have a competent offensive coordinator that recognizes this ability and rolls the pocket, calls bootlegs, etc. to suit Carnes. Even if that's not the case, he'll be throwing on the run plenty. Meaning, on the run for his life, especially given the way our line has pass blocked this season.
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As if we didn't have one this year?

Taylor was not rolled out to throw on the run because he is really, really not good at it. Contrary to what most people believe, speed or burst is not what enables QBs to be good at throwing on the run.
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No, we didn't have a good OC this year. I know you didn't get that memo, but 'tis true.

And the point about rolling Martinez out isn't that he's a great passer on the run, it's the fact that you get him into space rather than mired in a pocket, where his single greatest asset - speed - is completely neutralized. On a roll-out, Taylor has more opportunity to run down field unencumbered by DTs on a pass rush. Or, if those DTs chase him outside, they're going to be gassed by the second quarter. This is not rocket science.

The fact that our OC never figured that out is yet another clue that he isn't worth his salt.

 
zoogies said:
But yes - I was a fan of Callahan's offenses and still would be. I love an offense that just rolls like a well-oiled, precision machine.
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This is the definition of an oxymoron. And it explains your creepy fascination with Watsgrove.

That offense ran like a well oiled machine almost never. Maybe against crap competition or in garbage time, but pretty much never against good teams in meaningful situations. And the O-line play at that time (considering that C******n was supposedly an o-line guru) was brutal. So brutal in fact, that Barney is still feeling the effects. Marginal players, marginal depth, poor teaching techniques, and poor schemes.

 
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I am talking entirely about the myth that Taylor has lateral quickness (he doesn't, especially post injury). It goes without saying that we weren't going to call roll-out passes with him, and the way he was being run down by defensive ends I'm not sure why we think bootlegs were going to get him in space. Those zone reads where he took it to the outside are basically bootlegs, only with a lot more (theoretical) space in front of him.

I am not sure exactly what plays for Taylor were missed, that is being pointed out to in that post. I mean, people are almost universally against the slow-developing zone read to the outside and want runs between the tackles. But for Taylor, we are actually calling for more bootlegs?

That offense ran like a well oiled machine almost never. Maybe against crap competition or in garbage time, but pretty much never against good teams in meaningful situations. And the O-line play at that time (considering that C******n was supposedly an o-line guru) was brutal. So brutal in fact, that Barney is still feeling the effects. Marginal players, marginal depth, poor teaching techniques, and poor schemes.
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Poor Barney <_<

No, it never got to elite status, but I'm talking about that style of offense. The kind that doesn't hinge so much on improvisation from the QB spot.

This is mostly about message board loyalty and how we view certain figures. You are pretty much not allowed to like Callahan, or dislike Bo Pelini. Just like in the Callahan days you weren't allowed to dislike Callahan (or like Solich) and be taken seriously. If Bo is ever fired, he will suffer the same fate, all reality aside.

 
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Post-injury Taylor Martinez isn't worth debating. If we'd have had a competent backup he'd never have been playing.

 
I am fairly sure that Taylor rolling out was not an option pre-injury either.

Not completely sure but I don't think lateral quickness was one of his great assets, unlike his burst and top-end speed. In any case, rollout passing was a can of worms that was true even before his injury. But if he was doing fine for what he could do anyway pre-injury, and he was, what is the issue?

 
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What does "lateral quickness" have to do with a roll out? I've never seen a QB side-step outside of the pocket. You get the snap, you turn and you run. It's not like he's juking people to get to his roll out spot.

 
knapplc said:
No, we didn't have a good OC this year. I know you didn't get that memo, but 'tis true.
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I honestly laughed out loud at work when I read this. So true.

And the point about rolling Martinez out isn't that he's a great passer on the run, it's the fact that you get him into space rather than mired in a pocket, where his single greatest asset - speed - is completely neutralized. On a roll-out, Taylor has more opportunity to run down field unencumbered by DTs on a pass rush. Or, if those DTs chase him outside, they're going to be gassed by the second quarter. This is not rocket science.
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It's not Watsgrove's fault that the players can't execute so that we can witness he brilliance. Besides, zone read, zone read, sack punt is a very exciting offense. :sarcasm

If we'd have had a competent backup he'd never have been playing.
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Which would be our qb coach's fault. Who is that guy, again?

The fact that our OC never figured that out is yet another clue that he isn't worth his salt.
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Winner, winner, steak and lobster dinner.

 
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Maybe because rolling out sideways is different from running in a straight line? You still have to keep your eyes downfield. Although I am not one to ask specifically about why rolling out is not part of his skillset. Don't know enough about quarterbacking by a long shot.

74Hunter - you are really saying it is Watson's fault that Taylor isn't a rollout passer? Ha! Every player who comes through here, has their strengths and weaknesses. As I said - and many others - at the beginning of the year, Taylor's strengths are very limited. If you wanted to see all these other things you should have joined the Zac camp at the beginning of the year. But you would have given up the big running plays, and few wanted to do that. The lack of being realistic is stunning. Taylor is both a redshirt freshman, and completely raw, and yet he is expected to have all these skills in his arsenal? - keep in mind the reason he is starting: gamebreaking ability. That's it. Not smart pre-snap reads. Not scrambling to find an open man. Not hitting receivers in stride or looking off safeties.

We didn't have a quality backup because Zac got hurt and Cody's chances were limited. We stuck with injured, completely ineffective Taylor over Cody, which is an arguable decision at best IMO, but you can debate that if you wish. Cody is a project of his own, remember. Why are we stocked up with projects at QB? Because Bo requires his recruited QBs to be speedy dual threat guys, which more often than not, means they are just runners that you hope you can mold into QBs. Hence the term project.

Look, there are a whole lot of things you can criticize Watson for. Too complicated passing schemes, playcalling that hasn't been stellar at times, not suited to run this offense. If you are going to stubbornly stick to 'Why isn't Taylor a complete QB yet', it is just wrong, I don't know what else to say. If you are going to criticize just the results and why they turned out this way, you can look at our head coach and ask why he thought this would be a good idea, given the players/coaches we had in place.

 
Please enlighten me then!

As I said - I hardly know the first thing about quarterbacking. Taylor, not having rollout passes in his arsenal, is not my personal assessment, but rather one I am passing along.

 
When Taylor gets outside of the pocket he takes his eyes off of the receivers and has to decide whether to run or pass, decision making isn't a strong point for Taylor at this time, nor is reading defenses, ESPECIALLY if he has to take his eyes off the receivers as he rolls out. We saw Taylor throwing on the run in the CCG and it was a pick in the end zone. We saw Taylor repeatedly try to flip the ball downfield on the run in the Holiday Bowl.

Just being fast doesn't make Taylor competent in making reads or decisions with the ball. He had enough trouble with that stading still in the pocket.

 
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