BTN Football Report: Film with Tim Beck on Taylor Martinez

[Hunter94]

Unfortunately this video doesn't bring up the obvious problem. There's no pressure on those throws. I'm not worried about what a guy does when he's not facing a pass rush. If he has the luxury of thinking and remembering all of his recent coaching, I'm sure he'll play fine. But what he does when he's not thinking, when he's reacting to a blitz or throwing on the run, is where all this teaching is going to succeed or fail. Spring Game should give us a slightly better picture, and hopefully we get some good reports out of scrimmages.

I agree that 7 on 7 drills doesn't really inform us much on how Martinez reacts to pressure, but if Beck's and DiNardo's analysis is accurate, Martinez should be better off simply from getting better pocket depth. They did discuss how he wasn't getting enough depth last year, and as a result he would feel pressure much sooner than he should have. Now he's getting better depth, so the hope is that he'll feel more comfortable, which will give our receivers time to get into their routes, which will result in better timing and better accuracy (as long as the offensive line does its job).

damn guys, wouldn't you think such simple cures could have been coached up during last season, instead of waiting until this spring? i mean really, how long do you run the damn car with the low oil light on, before you put some more in....this just seems silly to me, instant cure?........ :koolaid2:

 

[The Dude]

Unfortunately this video doesn't bring up the obvious problem. There's no pressure on those throws. I'm not worried about what a guy does when he's not facing a pass rush. If he has the luxury of thinking and remembering all of his recent coaching, I'm sure he'll play fine. But what he does when he's not thinking, when he's reacting to a blitz or throwing on the run, is where all this teaching is going to succeed or fail. Spring Game should give us a slightly better picture, and hopefully we get some good reports out of scrimmages.

I agree that 7 on 7 drills doesn't really inform us much on how Martinez reacts to pressure, but if Beck's and DiNardo's analysis is accurate, Martinez should be better off simply from getting better pocket depth. They did discuss how he wasn't getting enough depth last year, and as a result he would feel pressure much sooner than he should have. Now he's getting better depth, so the hope is that he'll feel more comfortable, which will give our receivers time to get into their routes, which will result in better timing and better accuracy (as long as the offensive line does its job).

damn guys, wouldn't you think such simple cures could have been coached up during last season, instead of waiting until this spring? i mean really, how long do you run the damn car with the low oil light on, before you put some more in....this just seems silly to me, instant cure?........ :koolaid2:

Tim Beck already addressed this in the video.

 

[Hercules]

Unfortunately this video doesn't bring up the obvious problem. There's no pressure on those throws. I'm not worried about what a guy does when he's not facing a pass rush. If he has the luxury of thinking and remembering all of his recent coaching, I'm sure he'll play fine. But what he does when he's not thinking, when he's reacting to a blitz or throwing on the run, is where all this teaching is going to succeed or fail. Spring Game should give us a slightly better picture, and hopefully we get some good reports out of scrimmages.

I agree that 7 on 7 drills doesn't really inform us much on how Martinez reacts to pressure, but if Beck's and DiNardo's analysis is accurate, Martinez should be better off simply from getting better pocket depth. They did discuss how he wasn't getting enough depth last year, and as a result he would feel pressure much sooner than he should have. Now he's getting better depth, so the hope is that he'll feel more comfortable, which will give our receivers time to get into their routes, which will result in better timing and better accuracy (as long as the offensive line does its job).

damn guys, wouldn't you think such simple cures could have been coached up during last season, instead of waiting until this spring? i mean really, how long do you run the damn car with the low oil light on, before you put some more in....this just seems silly to me, instant cure?........ :koolaid2:

Beck has said this offseason that there were times last year where he was so busy teaching his offense to everyone else that he didn't always have time to coach the QBs up like he needed to. Remember, it was their first year in his system - not even the assistant coaches knew what they were doing all the time. They were simply busy learning the scheme, and when you're in the heat of a moment during the regular season, it's way easier to revert to old habits than to form new ones.

THIS is the time of year where you can form new habits, where you can actually fix things rather than just adjust to them, like Beck was saying in the video. That's why you're seeing this stuff happen now and not during the season.

Also, nobody's pitching this as an "instant cure." It's just progress. We don't know exactly how consistent Taylor is with his improved mechanics, but look at the film - he's definitely improved. That's all you can ask of a guy.

 

[Hunter94]

Unfortunately this video doesn't bring up the obvious problem. There's no pressure on those throws. I'm not worried about what a guy does when he's not facing a pass rush. If he has the luxury of thinking and remembering all of his recent coaching, I'm sure he'll play fine. But what he does when he's not thinking, when he's reacting to a blitz or throwing on the run, is where all this teaching is going to succeed or fail. Spring Game should give us a slightly better picture, and hopefully we get some good reports out of scrimmages.

I agree that 7 on 7 drills doesn't really inform us much on how Martinez reacts to pressure, but if Beck's and DiNardo's analysis is accurate, Martinez should be better off simply from getting better pocket depth. They did discuss how he wasn't getting enough depth last year, and as a result he would feel pressure much sooner than he should have. Now he's getting better depth, so the hope is that he'll feel more comfortable, which will give our receivers time to get into their routes, which will result in better timing and better accuracy (as long as the offensive line does its job).

damn guys, wouldn't you think such simple cures could have been coached up during last season, instead of waiting until this spring? i mean really, how long do you run the damn car with the low oil light on, before you put some more in....this just seems silly to me, instant cure?........ :koolaid2:

Beck has said this offseason that there were times last year where he was so busy teaching his offense to everyone else that he didn't always have time to coach the QBs up like he needed to. Remember, it was their first year in his system - not even the assistant coaches knew what they were doing all the time. They were simply busy learning the scheme, and when you're in the heat of a moment during the regular season, it's way easier to revert to old habits than to form new ones.

THIS is the time of year where you can form new habits, where you can actually fix things rather than just adjust to them, like Beck was saying in the video. That's why you're seeing this stuff happen now and not during the season.

Also, nobody's pitching this as an "instant cure." It's just progress. We don't know exactly how consistent Taylor is with his improved mechanics, but look at the film - he's definitely improved. That's all you can ask of a guy.

good post, but it makes the case for a dedicated qb coach who can teach mechanics.....imagine how much better all our qbs would be?

 

[Saunders]

Unfortunately this video doesn't bring up the obvious problem. There's no pressure on those throws. I'm not worried about what a guy does when he's not facing a pass rush. If he has the luxury of thinking and remembering all of his recent coaching, I'm sure he'll play fine. But what he does when he's not thinking, when he's reacting to a blitz or throwing on the run, is where all this teaching is going to succeed or fail. Spring Game should give us a slightly better picture, and hopefully we get some good reports out of scrimmages.

I agree that 7 on 7 drills doesn't really inform us much on how Martinez reacts to pressure, but if Beck's and DiNardo's analysis is accurate, Martinez should be better off simply from getting better pocket depth. They did discuss how he wasn't getting enough depth last year, and as a result he would feel pressure much sooner than he should have. Now he's getting better depth, so the hope is that he'll feel more comfortable, which will give our receivers time to get into their routes, which will result in better timing and better accuracy (as long as the offensive line does its job).

damn guys, wouldn't you think such simple cures could have been coached up during last season, instead of waiting until this spring? i mean really, how long do you run the damn car with the low oil light on, before you put some more in....this just seems silly to me, instant cure?........ :koolaid2:

Beck has said this offseason that there were times last year where he was so busy teaching his offense to everyone else that he didn't always have time to coach the QBs up like he needed to. Remember, it was their first year in his system - not even the assistant coaches knew what they were doing all the time. They were simply busy learning the scheme, and when you're in the heat of a moment during the regular season, it's way easier to revert to old habits than to form new ones.

THIS is the time of year where you can form new habits, where you can actually fix things rather than just adjust to them, like Beck was saying in the video. That's why you're seeing this stuff happen now and not during the season.

Also, nobody's pitching this as an "instant cure." It's just progress. We don't know exactly how consistent Taylor is with his improved mechanics, but look at the film - he's definitely improved. That's all you can ask of a guy.

good post, but it makes the case for a dedicated qb coach who can teach mechanics.....imagine how much better all our qbs would be?

Who do you fire?

 

[Hunter94]

easy, Cotton.

 

[Saunders]

easy, Cotton.

So you fire the O-line coach, and have someone come in and coach OL and QB?

 

[Hunter94]

easy, Cotton.

So you fire the O-line coach, and have someone come in and coach OL and QB?

well, how much time do you think Beck is spending with all the qbs? TM is in his 3rd season and he is still a project, that means the backups are getting plenty of development? Beck is a rookie OC and his hands are more than full.......just sayin, maybe you don't can Cotton, but i wonder how much coaching these kids are getting...

 

[Enhance]

One thing we need to remember is that Martinez is what...21 years old now? He's spent the greater portion of his football career with poor mechanics, and although we can adjust them, it's dangerous to do too much. The last thing you want a player to be doing is thinking too much. Thinking too much leads to hesitation which leads to any number of things going wrong. We only need to fine tune his mechanics enough to the point where they aren't hurting the play.

With repetition he will think less about his mechanical choices, but we have what we have with him. I don't think a dedicated quarterbacks coach would do much. Besides, I think saunders raises the biggest point - who do you fire? Cotton is a nice jab, but not very reasonable. If Cotton ever leaves he is being replaced by another o-line coach and I feel pretty confident in saying that.

 

[Hunter94]

One thing we need to remember is that Martinez is what...21 years old now? He's spent the greater portion of his football career with poor mechanics, and although we can adjust them, it's dangerous to do too much. The last thing you want a player to be doing is thinking too much. Thinking too much leads to hesitation which leads to any number of things going wrong. We only need to fine tune his mechanics enough to the point where they aren't hurting the play.

With repetition he will think less about his mechanical choices, but we have what we have with him. I don't think a dedicated quarterbacks coach would do much. Besides, I think saunders raises the biggest point - who do you fire? Cotton is a nice jab, but not very reasonable. If Cotton ever leaves he is being replaced by another o-line coach and I feel pretty confident in saying that.

here's my point, if the kid has to go to a qb camp, he obviously isn't get much coaching on mechanics at NU.

 

[Enhance]

easy, Cotton.

So you fire the O-line coach, and have someone come in and coach OL and QB?

well, how much time do you think Beck is spending with all the qbs? TM is in his 3rd season and he is still a project, that means the backups are getting plenty of development? Beck is a rookie OC and his hands are more than full.......just sayin, maybe you don't can Cotton, but i wonder how much coaching these kids are getting...

I would guess Beck spends no more and no less time with his quarterbacks than any other OC/quarterback coach in the country does with their own. Martinez will obviously get the most attention as he is the starter, and then there's the trickle down effect. Although Martinez isn't the most technically savvy quarterback in the country, he has started something like 25 games - he's a veteran. That experience is invaluable, whether or not he has good or bad mechanics.

Martinez is less of a project today than he was last year at this point. Common quarterback law says he should make a huge jump between last year and this year, specifically because it's year two in the offense.

 

[Enhance]

One thing we need to remember is that Martinez is what...21 years old now? He's spent the greater portion of his football career with poor mechanics, and although we can adjust them, it's dangerous to do too much. The last thing you want a player to be doing is thinking too much. Thinking too much leads to hesitation which leads to any number of things going wrong. We only need to fine tune his mechanics enough to the point where they aren't hurting the play.

With repetition he will think less about his mechanical choices, but we have what we have with him. I don't think a dedicated quarterbacks coach would do much. Besides, I think saunders raises the biggest point - who do you fire? Cotton is a nice jab, but not very reasonable. If Cotton ever leaves he is being replaced by another o-line coach and I feel pretty confident in saying that.

here's my point, if the kid ™ has to go to a qb camp, he obviously isn't get much coaching on mechanics at NU.

Quarterbacks go to camps all the time - the fact that Martinez went to one doesn't support what you're saying, at least not in my opinion. Keith Price was at the same camp, and he's a very talented quarterback. I guess I'm still struggling to see your point.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

One thing we need to remember is that Martinez is what...21 years old now? He's spent the greater portion of his football career with poor mechanics, and although we can adjust them, it's dangerous to do too much. The last thing you want a player to be doing is thinking too much. Thinking too much leads to hesitation which leads to any number of things going wrong. We only need to fine tune his mechanics enough to the point where they aren't hurting the play.

With repetition he will think less about his mechanical choices, but we have what we have with him. I don't think a dedicated quarterbacks coach would do much. Besides, I think saunders raises the biggest point - who do you fire? Cotton is a nice jab, but not very reasonable. If Cotton ever leaves he is being replaced by another o-line coach and I feel pretty confident in saying that.

here's my point, if the kid ™ has to go to a qb camp, he obviously isn't get much coaching on mechanics at NU.

That's a completely unfair comparison to make. Just because Taylor goes to a camp to work on his mechanics does NOT, does NOT mean that he isn't getting any instruction from Beck on his mechanics. Keith Price was also at that camp, as well as Cam Newton, do you think they don't or didn't get coached on their mechanics from their coach or former coach?

Some people will make things exist that really aren't there. Quit committing a Type I error.

 

[Hercules]

easy, Cotton.

So you fire the O-line coach, and have someone come in and coach OL and QB?

well, how much time do you think Beck is spending with all the qbs? TM is in his 3rd season and he is still a project, that means the backups are getting plenty of development? Beck is a rookie OC and his hands are more than full.......just sayin, maybe you don't can Cotton, but i wonder how much coaching these kids are getting...

In TM's first year at Nebraska, he was a WR on the scout team. In his second year, he was a QB under Watson, and had to learn a brand new scheme. In his third year, he was a QB under Beck, and had to learn another brand new scheme.

THAT'S why they haven't addressed his mechanics as much as you'd hope. It's not because we have bad coaches or because we need a "dedicated" QB coach, whatever that is. It's because Martinez is a unique QB who needed more help with his mechanics than most did to begin with, and on top of that he's had a new system to learn every year he's been here, until now.

NOW, we're finally in the same system in consecutive years for the first time since the Callahan era, so we're going to see everyone on the offense (not just Taylor) being able to work on some of the finer details of their game.

 

[HuskerShark]

One thing we need to remember is that Martinez is what...21 years old now? He's spent the greater portion of his football career with poor mechanics, and although we can adjust them, it's dangerous to do too much. The last thing you want a player to be doing is thinking too much. Thinking too much leads to hesitation which leads to any number of things going wrong. We only need to fine tune his mechanics enough to the point where they aren't hurting the play.

With repetition he will think less about his mechanical choices, but we have what we have with him. I don't think a dedicated quarterbacks coach would do much. Besides, I think saunders raises the biggest point - who do you fire? Cotton is a nice jab, but not very reasonable. If Cotton ever leaves he is being replaced by another o-line coach and I feel pretty confident in saying that.

here's my point, if the kid ™ has to go to a qb camp, he obviously isn't get much coaching on mechanics at NU.

So with that reasoning, what does Keith Price going to the same QB camp say about Steve Sarkisian as a coach.