BTN Football Report: Film with Tim Beck on Taylor Martinez

[husker B-rent]

i completely agree with hunter actually (thats usually not the case!), we really could use a dedicated qb coach.

and it is actually easy on who to fire and what to do, you fire cotton clearly and promote Garrison to Oline coach instead of assistant oline/TE and you give fisher both WR/TE and hire a full time qb coach.

seems pretty simple and smart to me actually...

 

[Saunders]

One thing we need to remember is that Martinez is what...21 years old now? He's spent the greater portion of his football career with poor mechanics, and although we can adjust them, it's dangerous to do too much. The last thing you want a player to be doing is thinking too much. Thinking too much leads to hesitation which leads to any number of things going wrong. We only need to fine tune his mechanics enough to the point where they aren't hurting the play.

With repetition he will think less about his mechanical choices, but we have what we have with him. I don't think a dedicated quarterbacks coach would do much. Besides, I think saunders raises the biggest point - who do you fire? Cotton is a nice jab, but not very reasonable. If Cotton ever leaves he is being replaced by another o-line coach and I feel pretty confident in saying that.

here's my point, if the kid ™ has to go to a qb camp, he obviously isn't get much coaching on mechanics at NU.

 

[Saunders]

i completely agree with hunter actually (thats usually not the case!), we really could use a dedicated qb coach.

and it is actually easy on who to fire and what to do, you fire cotton clearly and promote Garrison to Oline coach instead of assistant oline/TE and you give fisher both WR/TE and hire a full time qb coach.

seems pretty simple and smart to me actually...

IMO it's a terrible idea because you need 2 guys to coach O-line. It's the biggest position group on the team, and arguably, the most vital to success. Tom Osborne had 2 OL coaches for a reason.

 

[kchusker_chris]

What is this Ganz guy doing that we have on staff? Where was he when someone needed to tell Taylor to slow his drop a little, take an extra step deeper? Then spend 10 minutes with him working on it?

 

[kchusker_chris]

IMO it's a terrible idea because you need 2 guys to coach O-line. It's the biggest position group on the team, and arguably, the most vital to success. Tom Osborne had 2 OL coaches for a reason.

Depends on where our OL shemes go. I think when TO was here we might have had one of the more complex OL schemes in the country. They were required to do far more than most. I don't really have a problem w/ 2 offensive line coaches - but if it was needed so bad, I'd think more than a handful (i've never actually seen another one but assume there is one) of teams in the country would have 2 OL coaches.

 

[bshirt]

IMO it's a terrible idea because you need 2 guys to coach O-line. It's the biggest position group on the team, and arguably, the most vital to success. Tom Osborne had 2 OL coaches for a reason.

Depends on where our OL shemes go. I think when TO was here we might have had one of the more complex OL schemes in the country. They were required to do far more than most. I don't really have a problem w/ 2 offensive line coaches - but if it was needed so bad, I'd think more than a handful (i've never actually seen another one but assume there is one) of teams in the country would have 2 OL coaches.

We can do what is tried and proven at NU or just copy what everyone else does (just like the mighty Clownahan years). If guys like Bo & TO think it's worth having two coaches for the five positions of the Oline....well, just "maybe" those two might know a thing or two about cfb?

Also, TO's linemen were required to do "less" than our recent multiple offense Olinemen by never having to throw away precious practice reps for 10,000 different offensive schemes (diamond, zone-read, option, WCO, etc, etc) that changes every five minutes. If anything, due to that, maybe we should have three or more OLine couches?

 

[kchusker_chris]

^ is that "multiple" offense still the direction we are going? god I hope not.

and if we all just 'trusted' the coaches this would be a very boring forum. we need a new flag on Huskerboard that tallies up the number of responses that go something like "if Bo/Tom thinks it's right, then it's definitely right because they know more about football than the internet genius crowd". someone has to throw that out at least a few times a day.

 

[jsneb83]

What is this Ganz guy doing that we have on staff? Where was he when someone needed to tell Taylor to slow his drop a little, take an extra step deeper? Then spend 10 minutes with him working on it?

Isn't he just a grad assistant? They technically aren't supposed to coach the players. Not sure if that was what you were trying to get at.

 

[kchusker_chris]

What is this Ganz guy doing that we have on staff? Where was he when someone needed to tell Taylor to slow his drop a little, take an extra step deeper? Then spend 10 minutes with him working on it?

Isn't he just a grad assistant? They technically aren't supposed to coach the players. Not sure if that was what you were trying to get at.

sure they are. that's why you see them on the sidelines and in practice. you don't go from a GA to a D1 assistant (which is the path most of our assistants have taken) without coaching players

 

[jsneb83]

What is this Ganz guy doing that we have on staff? Where was he when someone needed to tell Taylor to slow his drop a little, take an extra step deeper? Then spend 10 minutes with him working on it?

Isn't he just a grad assistant? They technically aren't supposed to coach the players. Not sure if that was what you were trying to get at.

sure they are. that's why you see them on the sidelines and in practice. you don't go from a GA to a D1 assistant (which is the path most of our assistants have taken) without coaching players

You're probably right. I was thinking they were just there to help run the practices and relay messages from the coaches to the players. I must be thinking of the interns. My bad, carry on.

 

[Saunders]

^ is that "multiple" offense still the direction we are going? god I hope not.

and if we all just 'trusted' the coaches this would be a very boring forum. we need a new flag on Huskerboard that tallies up the number of responses that go something like "if Bo/Tom thinks it's right, then it's definitely right because they know more about football than the internet genius crowd". someone has to throw that out at least a few times a day.

As long as we have a flag that says "I've never coached, let alone played D1 football, but I know more than Bo/Tom," then I agree.

 

[The Dude]

One thing we need to remember is that Martinez is what...21 years old now? He's spent the greater portion of his football career with poor mechanics, and although we can adjust them, it's dangerous to do too much. The last thing you want a player to be doing is thinking too much. Thinking too much leads to hesitation which leads to any number of things going wrong. We only need to fine tune his mechanics enough to the point where they aren't hurting the play.

With repetition he will think less about his mechanical choices, but we have what we have with him. I don't think a dedicated quarterbacks coach would do much. Besides, I think saunders raises the biggest point - who do you fire? Cotton is a nice jab, but not very reasonable. If Cotton ever leaves he is being replaced by another o-line coach and I feel pretty confident in saying that.

here's my point, if the kid ™ has to go to a qb camp, he obviously isn't get much coaching on mechanics at NU.

There was a special before the Super Bowl this year that talked about how Tom Brady still goes to a QB instructor to this day.

 

[Hercules]

What is this Ganz guy doing that we have on staff? Where was he when someone needed to tell Taylor to slow his drop a little, take an extra step deeper? Then spend 10 minutes with him working on it?

You're ignoring the reality of the learning process. You can't just learn everything all at once. It takes time, and patience.

 

['SkersRule]

I recorded and watched it yesterday. Taylor, based on what DiNardo and Beck let us see, has really worked hard and has improved tremendously on his basic mechanics from the drop, to the setting of his feet, to following through on the throw and delivering the football on time to the right location. Beck called this "being in a good football position."

 

[HuskerShark]

What is this Ganz guy doing that we have on staff? Where was he when someone needed to tell Taylor to slow his drop a little, take an extra step deeper? Then spend 10 minutes with him working on it?

You're ignoring the reality of the learning process. You can't just learn everything all at once. It takes time, and patience.

No, no, no, no! They have to learn everything NOW!!!!

:sarcasm