Coaching or Talent - which is more responsible

[NUinID]

I'm saying it's mainly a talent issue with some coaching issues sprinkled in. Banker needs to figure it the hell out with this defense or take a walk. Hopefully Riley will figure out what happens to head coaches who are stubborn at Nebraska. Ask the last two if you need an idea of how it ends Riley.

I think he is figuring some of it out. He pulled Davie and things changed for the better on defense.

Collins hasn't been dominant. Our best DL is a converted TE RS freshman. McMullen has disappeared.

LB play has been much improved but they are thin and not healthy all at the same time.

The deck was stacked against him this year and possibly even next year. They need more quality players.

I certainly hope so, the talent issue is a huge problem by itself, but sprinkle in some coaching issues and it can compound the problem that's for sure.

Here is what I don't understand, how many of you really thought that our talent was on par with Miami's before the game anyway? I didn't think we were close on pure speed and athleticism at the skill players. Miami falls short on getting those players to play together a lot of the time. They usually come together and play well against teams that they deem worthy. That is why they can look so terrible against bad teams. They just don't show up to play.

We that being said, I like our players for the most part. I like our receivers, I like TA a lot, I like our run stopping. I think we have the ability to score on pretty much anyone. Defensive secondary needs work. Pass rush needs work. Fortunately there is no team left on our schedule that throws the ball with the type of talent that Miami has, not even close. The next best QB we face is Conner Cook.

Everyone needs to chill a little. I really don't know how will NU does the rest of the way, but I don't think we will be less talented than anyone except MSU and that is not by a ton.

 

[StPaulHusker]

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Nebraska doesn’t have junk talent. Enough of that. That’s the past, too — the old recruiting lament. Hey, 9-3 talent isn’t junk, it’s 9-3 with a shot at better if you play it right. Waiting several years to “restock” is a risible argument and Riley, to his credit, wants no part of it. Nebraska had enough talent to beat BYU and Miami. And it has more talent than any team not named Michigan State left on its regular-season schedule. And even that talent gap isn’t as wide as you might think.

This is not 2004, when the offense consisted of Cory Ross banging his way for yards while an untested option quarterback threw bullets to receivers who’d never seen five passes thrown their way in a game. This is 2015. Nebraska has a four-star quarterback with two years under his belt, who’s won at Iowa and Michigan, a stable of ballyhooed (at least according to recruiting services) running backs and good receivers. The line has young talent that coaches are choosing not to play.
Bill Callahan would have auctioned half his playbook in 2004 for receivers Riley has at his disposal.
When Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame roll into town, talk talent disparity. Then, it’s wide enough to be worth 10 to 14 points.
When it’s this schedule and the two losses were this close, talk about the controllables. Talk about focus and savvy and aggression and edge. That four-letter word — edge. Nebraska needs early, out-of-the-gate edge.

Miami recruiting rankings last 4 years:

10,14,12,27. That means they are recruiting better player and more talent than Nebraska.

K, now go look at BYU.

BYU has a lot of talent on their team. If you don't see that, then there is nothing more that can be said

 

[Blackshirt96]

I"m not sure where to look, do they post a stat on who got how many penalties...how many did Lewis get? Anybody know? And how many procedure...too many men, illegal substitution, ect....coaching or learning a new system type of penalties?

He had 4 tonight. I know we had 3 too many men in the backfield, and at least 2 12 men on the field.

4, for a senior captain...ouch. Of course no comparison, but Will Shields played his last 9 year in the Pros with ONE penalty...ONE.

Well coached teams dont have that many penalties.

And no body seems to pull Lewis's head out of his hind quarters to stop with his side of the penalties. Maybe a benching would resolve this or as stated earlier, some running. He doesn't seem to learn and I can pretty much guess he is by far and away the most penalized on this team.

It would sure be nice if he could channel some of that anger for before the whistle, instead of after.

 

[Saunders]

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Nebraska doesn’t have junk talent. Enough of that. That’s the past, too — the old recruiting lament. Hey, 9-3 talent isn’t junk, it’s 9-3 with a shot at better if you play it right. Waiting several years to “restock” is a risible argument and Riley, to his credit, wants no part of it. Nebraska had enough talent to beat BYU and Miami. And it has more talent than any team not named Michigan State left on its regular-season schedule. And even that talent gap isn’t as wide as you might think.

This is not 2004, when the offense consisted of Cory Ross banging his way for yards while an untested option quarterback threw bullets to receivers who’d never seen five passes thrown their way in a game. This is 2015. Nebraska has a four-star quarterback with two years under his belt, who’s won at Iowa and Michigan, a stable of ballyhooed (at least according to recruiting services) running backs and good receivers. The line has young talent that coaches are choosing not to play.
Bill Callahan would have auctioned half his playbook in 2004 for receivers Riley has at his disposal.
When Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame roll into town, talk talent disparity. Then, it’s wide enough to be worth 10 to 14 points.
When it’s this schedule and the two losses were this close, talk about the controllables. Talk about focus and savvy and aggression and edge. That four-letter word — edge. Nebraska needs early, out-of-the-gate edge.

Miami recruiting rankings last 4 years:

10,14,12,27. That means they are recruiting better player and more talent than Nebraska.

K, now go look at BYU.

BYU has a lot of talent on their team. If you don't see that, then there is nothing more that can be said

Recruited talent, or guys that were coached up?

(It's the latter FYI)

 

[BigRedBuster]

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Nebraska doesn’t have junk talent. Enough of that. That’s the past, too — the old recruiting lament. Hey, 9-3 talent isn’t junk, it’s 9-3 with a shot at better if you play it right. Waiting several years to “restock” is a risible argument and Riley, to his credit, wants no part of it. Nebraska had enough talent to beat BYU and Miami. And it has more talent than any team not named Michigan State left on its regular-season schedule. And even that talent gap isn’t as wide as you might think.

This is not 2004, when the offense consisted of Cory Ross banging his way for yards while an untested option quarterback threw bullets to receivers who’d never seen five passes thrown their way in a game. This is 2015. Nebraska has a four-star quarterback with two years under his belt, who’s won at Iowa and Michigan, a stable of ballyhooed (at least according to recruiting services) running backs and good receivers. The line has young talent that coaches are choosing not to play.
Bill Callahan would have auctioned half his playbook in 2004 for receivers Riley has at his disposal.
When Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame roll into town, talk talent disparity. Then, it’s wide enough to be worth 10 to 14 points.
When it’s this schedule and the two losses were this close, talk about the controllables. Talk about focus and savvy and aggression and edge. That four-letter word — edge. Nebraska needs early, out-of-the-gate edge.

Miami recruiting rankings last 4 years:

10,14,12,27. That means they are recruiting better player and more talent than Nebraska.

And if our poorly talented team plays the first quarter like it did the other three, we win this game.

Yes, you can't dismiss the first quarter because that's part of the game. But, our talent matched up with theirs for 3/4s of the game.

We need to improve and we have a good chance of doing that. Our players need to play better, our coaches need to coach better. Both need to make adjustments as to how they are doing their jobs. No reason why they can't and that's not a talent issue. It's a matter of the talent on the team being focused, understanding what the coaches want them to do and the coaches understanding the pieces they have available at their disposal.

 

[StPaulHusker]

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Nebraska doesn’t have junk talent. Enough of that. That’s the past, too — the old recruiting lament. Hey, 9-3 talent isn’t junk, it’s 9-3 with a shot at better if you play it right. Waiting several years to “restock” is a risible argument and Riley, to his credit, wants no part of it. Nebraska had enough talent to beat BYU and Miami. And it has more talent than any team not named Michigan State left on its regular-season schedule. And even that talent gap isn’t as wide as you might think.

This is not 2004, when the offense consisted of Cory Ross banging his way for yards while an untested option quarterback threw bullets to receivers who’d never seen five passes thrown their way in a game. This is 2015. Nebraska has a four-star quarterback with two years under his belt, who’s won at Iowa and Michigan, a stable of ballyhooed (at least according to recruiting services) running backs and good receivers. The line has young talent that coaches are choosing not to play.
Bill Callahan would have auctioned half his playbook in 2004 for receivers Riley has at his disposal.
When Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame roll into town, talk talent disparity. Then, it’s wide enough to be worth 10 to 14 points.
When it’s this schedule and the two losses were this close, talk about the controllables. Talk about focus and savvy and aggression and edge. That four-letter word — edge. Nebraska needs early, out-of-the-gate edge.

Miami recruiting rankings last 4 years:

10,14,12,27. That means they are recruiting better player and more talent than Nebraska.

K, now go look at BYU.

BYU has a lot of talent on their team. If you don't see that, then there is nothing more that can be said

Recruited talent, or guys that were coached up?

(It's the latter FYI)

FYI? That's your opinion. You have no more of a clue than anyone else.

 

[Saunders]

LINK

Nebraska doesn’t have junk talent. Enough of that. That’s the past, too — the old recruiting lament. Hey, 9-3 talent isn’t junk, it’s 9-3 with a shot at better if you play it right. Waiting several years to “restock” is a risible argument and Riley, to his credit, wants no part of it. Nebraska had enough talent to beat BYU and Miami. And it has more talent than any team not named Michigan State left on its regular-season schedule. And even that talent gap isn’t as wide as you might think.

This is not 2004, when the offense consisted of Cory Ross banging his way for yards while an untested option quarterback threw bullets to receivers who’d never seen five passes thrown their way in a game. This is 2015. Nebraska has a four-star quarterback with two years under his belt, who’s won at Iowa and Michigan, a stable of ballyhooed (at least according to recruiting services) running backs and good receivers. The line has young talent that coaches are choosing not to play.
Bill Callahan would have auctioned half his playbook in 2004 for receivers Riley has at his disposal.
When Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame roll into town, talk talent disparity. Then, it’s wide enough to be worth 10 to 14 points.
When it’s this schedule and the two losses were this close, talk about the controllables. Talk about focus and savvy and aggression and edge. That four-letter word — edge. Nebraska needs early, out-of-the-gate edge.

Miami recruiting rankings last 4 years:

10,14,12,27. That means they are recruiting better player and more talent than Nebraska.

K, now go look at BYU.

BYU has a lot of talent on their team. If you don't see that, then there is nothing more that can be said

Recruited talent, or guys that were coached up?

(It's the latter FYI)

FYI? That's your opinion. You have no more of a clue than anyone else.

Look at the recruiting rankings. These are composite rankings (from 247, rivals, scout, and espn).

2015

NU - 30

BYU - 64

2014

NU - 36

BYU - 66

2013

NU - 22

BYU - 65

2012

NU - 30

BYU - 72

You're welcome to tell me I don't "have a clue" but there's data. We've out-recruited BYU by a substantial margin, so logic says... coaching.

 

[Jeremy]

So Riley pulled in the 30th ranked class? Anyone else surprised he did better than Pelini did last year? (After all I heard about Pelini and his 'efforts,' it doesn't sound too shocking.)

 

[BigRedBuster]

Many Husker fans would look at MSU and wish we were where they are now. They are sitting at top 5 and talk some people think they have a good chance to contend for the conference championship by beating OSU and getting to the CCG. They have a good chance to get to the playoffs.

Now, look back at how long it took Dantonio to get that team to that level. Yes, he took over a team that didn't have the record we have had the last 7 years. But, in year 5 of his tenure (when he should have all of his own players) we beat them 24-3 in Lincoln. Should have Dantonio been on the hot seat? Should have fans been questioning his coaching and recruiting ability?

Now, we are in game 3 of this staff. Not year 3, but GAME 3.

In Dantonio's year 3, he had a losing record.

Now, I hope Nebraska doesn't take years to get back. But, sometimes it does. Continuous improvement. That is what this staff and players are trying to accomplish and that might take longer than what some want to admit. That isn't necessarily because there isn't talent on the team. Sometimes it takes some time for the players and staff to mesh and play at the level both strive for.

 

[Saunders]

Many Husker fans would look at MSU and wish we were where they are now. They are sitting at top 5 and talk some people think they have a good chance to contend for the conference championship by beating OSU and getting to the CCG. They have a good chance to get to the playoffs.

Now, look back at how long it took Dantonio to get that team to that level. Yes, he took over a team that didn't have the record we have had the last 7 years. But, in year 5 of his tenure (when he should have all of his own players) we beat them 24-3 in Lincoln. Should have Dantonio been on the hot seat? Should have fans been questioning his coaching and recruiting ability?

Now, we are in game 3 of this staff. Not year 3, but GAME 3.

In Dantonio's year 3, he had a losing record.

Now, I hope Nebraska doesn't take years to get back. But, sometimes it does. Continuous improvement. That is what this staff and players are trying to accomplish and that might take longer than what some want to admit. That isn't necessarily because there isn't talent on the team. Sometimes it takes some time for the players and staff to mesh and play at the level both strive for.

Dantonio is a great coach, but he inherited a pretty bad team. Prior to his arrival, Sparty went 4-8, 5-6. 5-7, 8-5, 4-8, 7-5, 5-6.

Before he got there "SPARTY NO" was a thing, because not only did they lack talent, but they had a penchant for blowing winnable games at the end.

 

[StPaulHusker]

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Nebraska doesn’t have junk talent. Enough of that. That’s the past, too — the old recruiting lament. Hey, 9-3 talent isn’t junk, it’s 9-3 with a shot at better if you play it right. Waiting several years to “restock” is a risible argument and Riley, to his credit, wants no part of it. Nebraska had enough talent to beat BYU and Miami. And it has more talent than any team not named Michigan State left on its regular-season schedule. And even that talent gap isn’t as wide as you might think.

This is not 2004, when the offense consisted of Cory Ross banging his way for yards while an untested option quarterback threw bullets to receivers who’d never seen five passes thrown their way in a game. This is 2015. Nebraska has a four-star quarterback with two years under his belt, who’s won at Iowa and Michigan, a stable of ballyhooed (at least according to recruiting services) running backs and good receivers. The line has young talent that coaches are choosing not to play.
Bill Callahan would have auctioned half his playbook in 2004 for receivers Riley has at his disposal.
When Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame roll into town, talk talent disparity. Then, it’s wide enough to be worth 10 to 14 points.
When it’s this schedule and the two losses were this close, talk about the controllables. Talk about focus and savvy and aggression and edge. That four-letter word — edge. Nebraska needs early, out-of-the-gate edge.

Miami recruiting rankings last 4 years:

10,14,12,27. That means they are recruiting better player and more talent than Nebraska.

K, now go look at BYU.

BYU has a lot of talent on their team. If you don't see that, then there is nothing more that can be said

Recruited talent, or guys that were coached up?

(It's the latter FYI)

FYI? That's your opinion. You have no more of a clue than anyone else.

Look at the recruiting rankings. These are composite rankings (from 247, rivals, scout, and espn).

2015

NU - 30

BYU - 64

2014

NU - 36

BYU - 66

2013

NU - 22

BYU - 65

2012

NU - 30

BYU - 72

You're welcome to tell me I don't "have a clue" but there's data. We've out-recruited BYU by a substantial margin, so logic says... coaching.

2012: 7 of Nebraska's 18 recruits never finished at Nebraska. 39%.

2013: 10 out 30 recruits not with the team or not contributing anything significant: 30%.

2014: 9 out of 25 recruits not with the team or not contributing anything significant: 36%.

That is an average of 35.6% attrition over the last 3 seasons. I gotta believe that is on the high side of the average. Especially considering Bo wasn't always recruiting full classes.

The ranking doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[The Dude]

Losing to BYU & Miami was a combination of a lot of things on our end. Not simply one thing or another. I think BYU & Miami maybe had a say in it as well.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Losing to BYU & Miami was a combination of a lot of things on our end. Not simply one thing or another. I think BYU & Miami maybe had a say in it as well.

Their QB's did. That's for sure.

 

[BigRedBuster]

Many Husker fans would look at MSU and wish we were where they are now. They are sitting at top 5 and talk some people think they have a good chance to contend for the conference championship by beating OSU and getting to the CCG. They have a good chance to get to the playoffs.

Now, look back at how long it took Dantonio to get that team to that level. Yes, he took over a team that didn't have the record we have had the last 7 years. But, in year 5 of his tenure (when he should have all of his own players) we beat them 24-3 in Lincoln. Should have Dantonio been on the hot seat? Should have fans been questioning his coaching and recruiting ability?

Now, we are in game 3 of this staff. Not year 3, but GAME 3.

In Dantonio's year 3, he had a losing record.

Now, I hope Nebraska doesn't take years to get back. But, sometimes it does. Continuous improvement. That is what this staff and players are trying to accomplish and that might take longer than what some want to admit. That isn't necessarily because there isn't talent on the team. Sometimes it takes some time for the players and staff to mesh and play at the level both strive for.

Dantonio is a great coach, but he inherited a pretty bad team. Prior to his arrival, Sparty went 4-8, 5-6. 5-7, 8-5, 4-8, 7-5, 5-6.

Before he got there "SPARTY NO" was a thing, because not only did they lack talent, but they had a penchant for blowing winnable games at the end.

You're right. I acknowledged the difference in records in my post.

However, some Husker fans would claim over the last several years we were extremely close to only having 6-8 wins. If miracle doesn't happen (McNeese State last play) or a ball doesn't bounce just right (Northwestern hail Mary), we don't win those games. So, it's the teams might not be that much different if you are just looking at records.

Now, I do believe we are better than what MSU was. But, the point is, transitions can take time and that doesn't mean it's a bad transition to make.

 

[zoogs]

It depends on how you want to look at it. There's an awful lot of chest-thumping about consecutive 5-3 finishers in an admittedly tepid B1G West heading downwards with recruiting (or let's call it "luck"). It doesn't mean they are wrong about that, but opinions vary.