Concerns about the D and telling quotes

[QMany]

Do you really think that is how Banker and the other defensive staff want this pass defended?

So we're pointing the finger, not the thumb...

You may want to lay all of this blame on Daniel Davie, but I don't think that is fair.

You shouldn't be discussing football if you think this is what our DC had in mind for defending this pass.

Do you not believe there are schematic issues? If so, maybe we shouldn't be discussing football.

 

[zoogs]

I think scheme is fair to discuss and it's definitely something to watch going forward. So is the degree to which some players are struggling (either for games, or quarters, or series at a time).

However, you go through any game, you're going to find a lot of screencaps of open receivers. It's how passes get completed. A good offense will churn up the yards. Even a meh offense often gets 300, 325 yards. Nebraska had some wide open receivers on plenty of plays; are Miami stupid? No, we just ran a play that was able to get guys open, as it was designed to do.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Do you really think that is how Banker and the other defensive staff want this pass defended?

So we're pointing the finger, not the thumb...

You may want to lay all of this blame on Daniel Davie, but I don't think that is fair.

You shouldn't be discussing football if you think this is what our DC had in mind for defending this pass.

Do you not believe there are schematic issues? If so, maybe we shouldn't be discussing football.

Go back and look at the whole play

 

[BigRedBuster]

Do you really think that is how Banker and the other defensive staff want this pass defended?

So we're pointing the finger, not the thumb...

You may want to lay all of this blame on Daniel Davie, but I don't think that is fair.

Did I say I'm only blaming the player? Where did I say that?

Just because a play didn't go as planned by the coach, it doesn't mean it's all on the player. The coach needs to do a good job of coaching, teaching and setting the player up for success.

Has the coach gone through enough drills to have the player understand how to stay with a receiver while running that route?

Did the WR have a really good fake to the outside that set the DB up to get beat and did the DB know how to counter that?

Does the DB know how to do it in his head but since he is new to playing on an island he needs more reps and more playing time to actually be efficient at doing it?

All of those are questions none of us smarties on this board know. All we see is the DB getting beat. We don't have any clue as to what has been taught or told to the player leading up to this moment.

Now, I will guarantee you that when Banker sees that picture, he doesn't like what he sees. He does NOT want the WR at least 5 yards away from the closest DB crossing the middle. If you think that's what Banker is wanting, then I'm not sure you are thinking clearly.

 

[Enhance]

They had a pretty substantial drop off from 2009 until 2012. But, I'm not trying to prove Banker is a stud and I'm not even saying I'm 100% confident in his abilities. All I'm saying is the guy has proven he can put together good defenses, and although he's had his struggles, he has had some very good seasons. Therefore, in my opinion, a three game sample size as a new coach, at a new city, teaching players he's never worked with before a new scheme seems reasonable enough to give him time to work and fix the situation. Because, historically, he's found ways to do it.

How long has it been since he "found ways to do it"?

His defense was ranked about 35th in country in 2012. Somewhere between 33-35 IIRC when they went 9-4. Pretty good improvement from the defensive statistics from '09 to '11.

But, if you're going to criticize him, then you might as well criticize and doubt several parts of the coaching staff since many of these guys are part of the old staff at OSU that went 7-6 and 5-7 the in 2013 and 2014. And I won't stop you from doing that because I think that's a very fair criticism to make. Just know what you're doing.

 

[4skers89]

I didn't watch the second half but the first half made me think that there is something really messed up with the D. If it was the first game of the season I wouldn't feel like it. By the 3rd game our defense should have been better and Miami shouldn't have been able to move the ball as easily as they did. Given the Gerry quote about the defense being simple, there shouldn't be missed assignments. I also don't think our athletic talent accounts for the first half performance. It's the same feeling I got watching Wiscy destroy Bo's defense. I haven't dug into the technical aspects of what Banker is doing and why our defense looked so bad but I have a sense that something isn't right about the scheme. Because I didn't watch the second half I'll wait until after the Wiscy game before declaring the defensive scheme a bust.

Also I wanted to get people's thoughts on the lack of pressure our DL is getting on the QB and the ineffectiveness of our blitzes. Watching the Alabama-Miss game they showed how Alabama was able to get a sack and I don't think it was a blitz. The defensive line moved the offensive line to one side and I believe it was a defensive tackle then looped around and had a clear path to the QB. I'm fairly certain is wasn't a LB. I don't believe we do anything like that or we aren't effective at it enough to make it replay worthy. I've only seen our DL pushing straight ahead. I did notice at least once our DE either pushing 5 yards beyond the QB or was getting pushed which I thought was strange (in a bad way). This is also on topic since Riley mentioned that it is difficult to get pressure on the QB with just the front four. I'd say Alabama disagrees.

 

[zoogs]

Look at our DE play.

It's going to be a challenge to work with that if that is the best we can get out of them this year.

 

[Mavric]

I wonder what people would be saying about Banker if Daniel Davie successfully defended half of the passes he got burned on.

This is Kalu, but is this an example of what our secondary is expected to defend?

If we are relying on 50% success in that coverage scheme, we are screwed.

Do you really think that is how Banker and the other defensive staff want this pass defended?

This is the same as asking if Bo wanted to give up 408 yards to Melvin Gordon.

 

[Mavric]

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[zoogs]

Bo obviously did not want that to happen, either. He was and is a good defensive coordinator, and his numerous failings on and off field, particularly well into his established tenure, can be attributed to other things than his X's and O's acumen.

We're going to move past "Gotcha, but people used to say this about Bo" ... one day, right?

 

[Mavric]

I wonder what people would be saying about Banker if Daniel Davie successfully defended half of the passes he got burned on.

This is Kalu, but is this an example of what our secondary is expected to defend?

If we are relying on 50% success in that coverage scheme, we are screwed.

This is exactly the point I've been making all year. We basically end up playing man-to-man coverage all over the field most of the time. You have to be able to cover man to man at some point in any defense because it's impossible to double cover every receiver. But when everyone is having to cover man to man across the entire field, it is impossible (practically speaking) to cover well enough on every play all game long. And when you take it times four or five eligible receivers, the chance of at least one receiver being pretty open on any given play is pretty high. There has to be some help given to at least take away some of the options. We do use some linebackers to try to take away some of the underneath zones but it didn't take Miami any time to figure out that a quick play action fake draws the LBs up and opens things up in a hurry. And we rarely have safety help over the top.

 

[BigRedBuster]

I wonder what people would be saying about Banker if Daniel Davie successfully defended half of the passes he got burned on.

This is Kalu, but is this an example of what our secondary is expected to defend?

If we are relying on 50% success in that coverage scheme, we are screwed.

Do you really think that is how Banker and the other defensive staff want this pass defended?

This is the same as asking if Bo wanted to give up 408 yards to Melvin Gordon.

Bo had 7 years to figure out how to stop a player like Gordon and bring in the talent to do so and coach them on how to do it. Those players had a number of years in the program for them to understand what to do. Banker is working on preparing for is 4th game with these players.

Slight difference.

 

[StPaulHusker]

I wonder what people would be saying about Banker if Daniel Davie successfully defended half of the passes he got burned on.

This is Kalu, but is this an example of what our secondary is expected to defend?

If we are relying on 50% success in that coverage scheme, we are screwed.

Do you really think that is how Banker and the other defensive staff want this pass defended?

This is the same as asking if Bo wanted to give up 408 yards to Melvin Gordon.

Bo had 7 years to figure out how to stop a player like Gordon and bring in the talent to do so and coach them on how to do it. Those players had a number of years in the program for them to understand what to do. Banker is working on preparing for is 4th game with these players.

Slight difference.

But Oregon State.........

 

[RunRedRun]

I really hope that when some of you are into your third shift at McDonalds the manager fires you for the fry guy dropping a basket to late!

 

[mnhusker]

Concerns about the D started for me when Banker was named DC. He was the weakest link of a .500 coaching staff. Unless he bucks a proven trend, we won't have good defenses under him.

Same here, it seemed like an average at best hire during a time when we could have gone after some more successful talent. I did like the staff continuity but that was it.