TITANIC VS LUSITANIA
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Concerns about the D and telling quotes
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jsneb83
All-American
Busted coverage? If I remember correctly, that play had a real long run fake. You get a couple people out of position and you get that huge hole in the middle of the field.This is Kalu, but is this an example of what our secondary is expected to defend?
If we are relying on 50% success in that coverage scheme, we are screwed.
StPaulHusker
Banned
Hoosker just posted the 50 minute game in the status update. The player on this particular play is #23 not #10. And they showed this on replay during the live game and you can see how Davie got juked out of his cleats.Busted coverage? If I remember correctly, that play had a real long run fake. You get a couple people out of position and you get that huge hole in the middle of the field.This is Kalu, but is this an example of what our secondary is expected to defend?
If we are relying on 50% success in that coverage scheme, we are screwed.
QMany
All-American
Thank, I will have to look at the film posted. In the picture, it appeared to be #10. Regardless, that is a lot of area to cover. What happened to the LB and S in coverage?
StPaulHusker
Banned
I can't speak to the LB and safety other than Bray said the LB's were taking chances and guessing when they shouldn't have.
But in the live game replay, Davie, for whatever reason, turned around toward the sideline with his back to the receiver. It was ugly.
QMany
All-American
I watched the broadcast that was uploaded to YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRTJhoP0f7E?t=11m17s
Is there another replay shown later? Because the live action doesn't even show Davie or the WR in the screen to see him get "juked out of his cleats."
It does show the LBs 2-3 yards from the LOS and no S anywhere on Davie's side of the left hash.
So you have Daniel Davie, who had struggled some previously and the staff said they had fixes, left to cover one-on-one from the 40 yard line to the back of the endzone and left hash to the right sideline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRTJhoP0f7E?t=11m17s
Is there another replay shown later? Because the live action doesn't even show Davie or the WR in the screen to see him get "juked out of his cleats."
It does show the LBs 2-3 yards from the LOS and no S anywhere on Davie's side of the left hash.
So you have Daniel Davie, who had struggled some previously and the staff said they had fixes, left to cover one-on-one from the 40 yard line to the back of the endzone and left hash to the right sideline.
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QMany
All-American
Two plays before that, Davie is again one-one-one with no safety help on the R side. He makes a great play on a deep ball.
One play after that, Gerry and all of the LB are 1-3 yards of the LOS. All three recievers have one-on-one coverage. Byerson Cockrell is the unlucky one left with the entire middle of the field with no help, like Kaaya easily deduced watching Banker's OSU film.
One play after that, Gerry and all of the LB are 1-3 yards of the LOS. All three recievers have one-on-one coverage. Byerson Cockrell is the unlucky one left with the entire middle of the field with no help, like Kaaya easily deduced watching Banker's OSU film.
StPaulHusker
Banned
It was probably right before halftime or right after when they were showing it. I have the game recorded, if I get some time I will try to find it.
I just remember seeing it and wondering why he played it that way.
I agree that it still doesn't make up for the LB and S being nowhere around the play.
QMany
All-American
Thanks! I would be interested in seeing his mechanics. I'm not trying to say he played it perfectly by any means.
I just think this scheme can ask our secondary to be responsible for unreasonable assignments. Then fans want to crucify Daniel Davie et al when they don't live up to the tall task.
I think there is a middle ground between Bo's "drop 8 into coverage with patty-cake play at the line" and Banker's "put each CB on his own island to cover the entire field."
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Red Five
Heisman Trophy Winner
Didn't Bray have a quote yesterday that our LBs (and probably S/Gerry) were biting way too much on the run fake? Assuming this pass was off play action, it is exhibit 1A.Two plays before that, Davie is again one-one-one with no safety help on the R side. He makes a great play on a deep ball.
One play after that, Gerry and all of the LB are 1-3 yards of the LOS. All three recievers have one-on-one coverage. Byerson Cockrell is the unlucky one left with the entire middle of the field with no help, like Kaaya easily deduced watching Banker's OSU film.
QMany
All-American
Correct, this was off of a soft play-action. I think there was another play or two in this drive off of play action where Gerry and the LBs get sucked way up and it was the same result. I guess if we are going to commit 8 to stop the run, this is what the secondary is going to face. I didn't see that quote by Bray, but it doesn't surprise me.
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swmohusker
All-Conference
The first quarter it was a competition to see which group played worse. At first glance it was the secondary, but after rewatching it the LB's were awful. we were playing 4 on 11 when miami was passing the ball. LB's were blind dogs in a meat house, not sure what they were keying.Didn't Bray have a quote yesterday that our LBs (and probably S/Gerry) were biting way too much on the run fake? Assuming this pass was off play action, it is exhibit 1A.Two plays before that, Davie is again one-one-one with no safety help on the R side. He makes a great play on a deep ball.
One play after that, Gerry and all of the LB are 1-3 yards of the LOS. All three recievers have one-on-one coverage. Byerson Cockrell is the unlucky one left with the entire middle of the field with no help, like Kaaya easily deduced watching Banker's OSU film.
The only real mistake is that he should have been in an inside tech on the WR. That is what gave him the separation. The only reason why he wouldn't be playing inside tech is because he must have thought he had inside safety help.Two plays before that, Davie is again one-one-one with no safety help on the R side. He makes a great play on a deep ball.
One play after that, Gerry and all of the LB are 1-3 yards of the LOS. All three recievers have one-on-one coverage. Byerson Cockrell is the unlucky one left with the entire middle of the field with no help, like Kaaya easily deduced watching Banker's OSU film.
BigRedBuster
International Man of Mystery
This is a perfect play to show how these players in a new system aren't playing the way either the players or the coach wants them to play. If an LB bites too hard on a run fake and it results in slant pattern for a short TD, I wouldn't say that's a scheme problem, it's a result of the player (LB) not understanding his responsibilities or not having enough time with the coaches to know exactly what he is supposed to do there.Didn't Bray have a quote yesterday that our LBs (and probably S/Gerry) were biting way too much on the run fake? Assuming this pass was off play action, it is exhibit 1A.Two plays before that, Davie is again one-one-one with no safety help on the R side. He makes a great play on a deep ball.
One play after that, Gerry and all of the LB are 1-3 yards of the LOS. All three recievers have one-on-one coverage. Byerson Cockrell is the unlucky one left with the entire middle of the field with no help, like Kaaya easily deduced watching Banker's OSU film.
This particular play is fixable within Banker's system.
StPaulHusker
Banned
Q- Go to about the 14:00 minute mark of the video and see where they are breaking down that pass. Look at Davie at the top of the screen.Thanks! I would be interested in seeing his mechanics. I'm not trying to say he played it perfectly by any means.
I just think this scheme can ask our secondary to be responsible for unreasonable assignments. Then fans want to crucify Daniel Davie et al when they don't live up to the tall task.
I think there is a middle ground between Bo's "drop 8 into coverage with patty-cake play at the line" and Banker's "put each CB on his own island to cover the entire field."
I'm not saying he defends the pass but he would have had a better shot at it had he not turned his back.
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