Defensive Adjustments 10 Personnel- Zone Read

[Warrior10]

They also got us out of this formation w/ the cross pattern forcing a LBer to step up into pass protection. I never understood why the LBer doesn't bump that guy off his route. Every time Santos waited for him to run in front of him then gave chase. David (Lavonte) used to defend this well. No one really has since.

Scott Shanle, IIRC, tweeted during the game about the MLB guarding the RB. He said Santos needs to attack the RB at the line and knock him off his route.

 

[EZ-E]

One personnel package that I have been waiting to kill us happened on the Leroy Alexander fumble recovery. It's when we are walking Randy Gregory around and we take him to the opposite end and line him up by the other DE. This leaves Thad Randle positioned between the tackle and guard on the other side....having Thad on the "edge" means no outside contain. It always had me worried when I've saw it throughout the year and Illinois caught on too...thankfully Cooper made a hell of a play 20 yards downfield.

I know the EXACT thing you are talking about. Thad is lined up in between the 3 and the 5 technique and Scheelhaase did a good job of getting them in the right play for the right defense. They got a double on Thad and he was going for a ways.

Yup, it was only a matter of time before someone figured it out. We have to change that or we will give up big runs on that set.

I think that the best way to adjust is to go with an Under front with our OLB next to the DE. Like Afalava did from that point on.

 

[Warrior10]

One personnel package that I have been waiting to kill us happened on the Leroy Alexander fumble recovery. It's when we are walking Randy Gregory around and we take him to the opposite end and line him up by the other DE. This leaves Thad Randle positioned between the tackle and guard on the other side....having Thad on the "edge" means no outside contain. It always had me worried when I've saw it throughout the year and Illinois caught on too...thankfully Cooper made a hell of a play 20 yards downfield.

I know the EXACT thing you are talking about. Thad is lined up in between the 3 and the 5 technique and Scheelhaase did a good job of getting them in the right play for the right defense. They got a double on Thad and he was going for a ways.

Yup, it was only a matter of time before someone figured it out. We have to change that or we will give up big runs on that set.

I think that the best way to adjust is to go with an Under front with our OLB next to the DE. Like Afalava did from that point on.

I like using Afalava's size like that. Or at least bringing a guy up beside Thad...like a Green or a LB (although IIRC Santos as the only LB on the field in that set). It didn't help that our 2 CB's (Mitchell and not sure on other) got drove back about 10 yards by the WR's.

 

[ZRod]

One personnel package that I have been waiting to kill us happened on the Leroy Alexander fumble recovery. It's when we are walking Randy Gregory around and we take him to the opposite end and line him up by the other DE. This leaves Thad Randle positioned between the tackle and guard on the other side....having Thad on the "edge" means no outside contain. It always had me worried when I've saw it throughout the year and Illinois caught on too...thankfully Cooper made a hell of a play 20 yards downfield.

I know the EXACT thing you are talking about. Thad is lined up in between the 3 and the 5 technique and Scheelhaase did a good job of getting them in the right play for the right defense. They got a double on Thad and he was going for a ways.

Yup, it was only a matter of time before someone figured it out. We have to change that or we will give up big runs on that set.

Funny thing about that is Curry almost blew it up for a one yard loss. But almost doesn't count... Keeps me hopeful though that we've got the right guys, they just need time.

 

[jmfb]

In regard to Thad

God bless him, he has fought through some really tough injuries

My guess is Bo kind of feels he "owes" the kid, playing not 100% when we were so banged up at DT

As a coach, I totally get that loyalty

BTW Thad is the guy Bo did the joke phone thing with- you dont do that kind of joke on anyone, you do them with your favorites

BUT

He's always the last out of his stance

He rarely if ever gets pressure even when its a pass

And to illustrate how weak and slow he really is- go to a screen play to his side maybe in the 2nd or 3rd quarter

Screen Tech- the Oline gives a 75% 1 handes shock to the DL to make sure they dont have a direct sprint to the QB

Then they let the guys go through untouched after the 1 hand shock

Well on this play the 1 handed shock knocked Thad back about 1 yard and he never got body control back quickly

By then the Olinemen were way upfield already in open space tracking down LBS and DBS

Of course no chance Thad could get to the back- Gregory did, 10 yards downfield, because Gregory had penetrated

That's a good play do run against Gregory - with his aggressiveness, Thad, not a good play, he can end up near the play- but he's so slow, nevermind

Poor kid I feel bad for him, he just doesnt give us much

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

In regard to Thad

God bless him, he has fought through some really tough injuries

My guess is Bo kind of feels he "owes" the kid, playing not 100% when we were so banged up at DT

As a coach, I totally get that loyalty

BTW Thad is the guy Bo did the joke phone thing with- you dont do that kind of joke on anyone, you do them with your favorites

BUT

He's always the last out of his stance

He rarely if ever gets pressure even when its a pass

And to illustrate how weak and slow he really is- go to a screen play to his side maybe in the 2nd or 3rd quarter

Screen Tech- the Oline gives a 75% 1 handes shock to the DL to make sure they dont have a direct sprint to the QB

Then they let the guys go through untouched after the 1 hand shock

Well on this play the 1 handed shock knocked Thad back about 1 yard and he never got body control back quickly

By then the Olinemen were way upfield already in open space tracking down LBS and DBS

Of course no chance Thad could get to the back- Gregory did, 10 yards downfield, because Gregory had penetrated

That's a good play do run against Gregory - with his aggressiveness, Thad, not a good play, he can end up near the play- but he's so slow, nevermind

Poor kid I feel bad for him, he just doesnt give us much

Thad looked really bad on that play, and without RG44 running down the TE, that play goes for a TD. I also noticed SJB looked a bit lost on that play. He looked like he was blitzing, then it looked like he may have recognitized the screen but ran away from it rather than to the receiver.

 

[Count 'Bility]

In regard to Thad

God bless him, he has fought through some really tough injuries

My guess is Bo kind of feels he "owes" the kid, playing not 100% when we were so banged up at DT

As a coach, I totally get that loyalty

BTW Thad is the guy Bo did the joke phone thing with- you dont do that kind of joke on anyone, you do them with your favorites

BUT

He's always the last out of his stance

He rarely if ever gets pressure even when its a pass

And to illustrate how weak and slow he really is- go to a screen play to his side maybe in the 2nd or 3rd quarter

Screen Tech- the Oline gives a 75% 1 handes shock to the DL to make sure they dont have a direct sprint to the QB

Then they let the guys go through untouched after the 1 hand shock

Well on this play the 1 handed shock knocked Thad back about 1 yard and he never got body control back quickly

By then the Olinemen were way upfield already in open space tracking down LBS and DBS

Of course no chance Thad could get to the back- Gregory did, 10 yards downfield, because Gregory had penetrated

That's a good play do run against Gregory - with his aggressiveness, Thad, not a good play, he can end up near the play- but he's so slow, nevermind

Poor kid I feel bad for him, he just doesnt give us much

Your thoughts on Thad resemble what I was thinking about Cameron Meredith. I appreciate the effort and it's obvious he's busting his a$$ and giving everything he has, but he just doesnt quite have what it takes. There's nothing wrong with the brute honesty. Nice take Jmfb.

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

One big reason for why I see us get gashed a lot on runs in young LB's still filling the wrong holes. Gerry guesses the wrong hole a lot if you really study the film, Santos doesn't guess the wrong hole as much as just hesitates too long, Afalava and Rose did good this game but even they filled wrong holes/didn't maintain their position on a few bigger runs. All stuff that, imo, will come with more experience....we saw what Afalava and even Rose did as they built more confidence.

^This. Lots of misalignments and hesitation throughout the game. This is a question for the defensive-minded, besides reps/experience how do you get those young LBs to hit the (correct) gap faster on run plays? When the offense is in a 22 or even a 21, is there a scheme that allows the LBs to see where the play is going sooner and get them to meet the RB at the LOS more often?

 

[jmfb]

Your thoughts on Thad resemble what I was thinking about Cameron Meredith. I appreciate the effort and it's obvious he's busting his a$$ and giving everything he has, but he just doesnt quite have what it takes. There's nothing wrong with the brute honesty. Nice take Jmfb.

Thanks, I hate to criticize or get personal about someone who is giving everything they have, working hard, team player, doing everything the coaches tell them AND playing smart football. He is doing all those things, he just cant get it done with his body.

Best of luck to the kid, I feel bad for him out there.

 

[jmfb]

In regard to Thad

God bless him, he has fought through some really tough injuries

My guess is Bo kind of feels he "owes" the kid, playing not 100% when we were so banged up at DT

As a coach, I totally get that loyalty

BTW Thad is the guy Bo did the joke phone thing with- you dont do that kind of joke on anyone, you do them with your favorites

BUT

He's always the last out of his stance

He rarely if ever gets pressure even when its a pass

And to illustrate how weak and slow he really is- go to a screen play to his side maybe in the 2nd or 3rd quarter

Screen Tech- the Oline gives a 75% 1 handes shock to the DL to make sure they dont have a direct sprint to the QB

Then they let the guys go through untouched after the 1 hand shock

Well on this play the 1 handed shock knocked Thad back about 1 yard and he never got body control back quickly

By then the Olinemen were way upfield already in open space tracking down LBS and DBS

Of course no chance Thad could get to the back- Gregory did, 10 yards downfield, because Gregory had penetrated

That's a good play do run against Gregory - with his aggressiveness, Thad, not a good play, he can end up near the play- but he's so slow, nevermind

Poor kid I feel bad for him, he just doesnt give us much

Thad looked really bad on that play, and without RG44 running down the TE, that play goes for a TD. I also noticed SJB looked a bit lost on that play. He looked like he was blitzing, then it looked like he may have recognitized the screen but ran away from it rather than to the receiver.

I didnt notice that, I was focused on Thad and RG44

If SJB was blitzing, then it was a perfect play call- with RG44 coming hard upfield, SJB blitzing from that side and an ineffective TR on that side, a very efficient play to run against that. MAn coverage, run the DBs off and the convoy tramples the remainder. Well done Mr S and Illinois

 

[RedDenver]

Your thoughts on Thad resemble what I was thinking about Cameron Meredith. I appreciate the effort and it's obvious he's busting his a$$ and giving everything he has, but he just doesnt quite have what it takes. There's nothing wrong with the brute honesty. Nice take Jmfb.

Thanks, I hate to criticize or get personal about someone who is giving everything they have, working hard, team player, doing everything the coaches tell them AND playing smart football. He is doing all those things, he just cant get it done with his body.

Best of luck to the kid, I feel bad for him out there.

While Randle's play has been poor, I wonder if he's out there for knowledge or leadership. With all that youth, maybe he gets guys lined up correctly or keeps them focused from play to play. That's all I can think of for why he's on the field so much. I love the effort and heart he's showing out there though. Gutsy kid.

 

[Chaddyboxer]

Your thoughts on Thad resemble what I was thinking about Cameron Meredith. I appreciate the effort and it's obvious he's busting his a$$ and giving everything he has, but he just doesnt quite have what it takes. There's nothing wrong with the brute honesty. Nice take Jmfb.

Thanks, I hate to criticize or get personal about someone who is giving everything they have, working hard, team player, doing everything the coaches tell them AND playing smart football. He is doing all those things, he just cant get it done with his body.

Best of luck to the kid, I feel bad for him out there.

While Randle's play has been poor, I wonder if he's out there for knowledge or leadership. With all that youth, maybe he gets guys lined up correctly or keeps them focused from play to play. That's all I can think of for why he's on the field so much. I love the effort and heart he's showing out there though. Gutsy kid.

I am willing to bet theeee above.

 

[jmfb]

In regard to Thad

God bless him, he has fought through some really tough injuries

My guess is Bo kind of feels he "owes" the kid, playing not 100% when we were so banged up at DT

As a coach, I totally get that loyalty

BTW Thad is the guy Bo did the joke phone thing with- you dont do that kind of joke on anyone, you do them with your favorites

BUT

He's always the last out of his stance

He rarely if ever gets pressure even when its a pass

And to illustrate how weak and slow he really is- go to a screen play to his side maybe in the 2nd or 3rd quarter

Screen Tech- the Oline gives a 75% 1 handes shock to the DL to make sure they dont have a direct sprint to the QB

Then they let the guys go through untouched after the 1 hand shock

Well on this play the 1 handed shock knocked Thad back about 1 yard and he never got body control back quickly

By then the Olinemen were way upfield already in open space tracking down LBS and DBS

Of course no chance Thad could get to the back- Gregory did, 10 yards downfield, because Gregory had penetrated

That's a good play do run against Gregory - with his aggressiveness, Thad, not a good play, he can end up near the play- but he's so slow, nevermind

Poor kid I feel bad for him, he just doesnt give us much

Oddly enough, I agree with you on this. And I don't even have to have been a fan since 1699 to agree.

Weird HIPPA Stalker person- I feel like it's my Soph year of college and that one odd girl I didnt know very well and mistakenly went on 1 bad date with is back in my life stalking me

I could care less if you agree with me or not

Facts are facts regardless of how "popular" they are

Shouldnt you be out reporting to the cops that someone here disclosed that TM has a pimple on his chin?

 

[EZ-E]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-S4vioqxe4

30 second mark.

Posted this to show how important it is that at least one DT get double teamed.

This is from 20 personnel offensively. Notice the RBs behind the QB about a yard. This indicates that there is a threat of the inside zone. It appears to me the way that this is blocked that this is a give all the way.

We creep a safety up into the box to guard against the option threat and the other linebacker bites hard on the QB. Key block is the center on our backside LB. Had one of our DTs been able to get doubled on this play, our LB makes this play for about a 4-5 yard gain.

 

[Mavric]

^ Agree that it was a give all the way as the tackle blocked out. Also, we might have screwed up our assignments as PJ Smith was outside but Compton also ran outside. Compton should have been able to stay inside with an extra defender outside.