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AR Husker Fan said:
He gets the extension. The record isn't the determining factor. More to the point, though, is the recruiting. The reason Solich was fired was recruiting - or lack thereof. If Callahan pulls in the kind of class he looks like he's going to get, you don't fire him - especially if the record is no worse than last season. You sign him and you don't let other schools harm our recruiting by suggesting that the coach will be fired.
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:yeah

GBR!!!

 
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junior4949 said:
Umm, Osborne was now a great recruiter? I don't think so. Even the great Tommie Frazier only had like one other big time offer and that was from Notre Dame. The great fullbacks we've had, they were walk-ons. Brook Berringer had more basketball scholarships offered than football. TO may have had an uncanny nack for developing players, but to say he was a great recruiter is absurd. He was just fortunate during our NC runs that we had great talent from within the state of Nebraska (Ahman Green, Scott Frost, Mackovicka's, etc.)

What TO gave Solich was a very young and green team. We didn't have a QB with any experience at all. TO knew when to get while the gettin was good if you ask me. The 1998 season ended just like it would have if TO had been on the sideline. We were greeen, we were young, and we made a lot of mistakes. It wouldn't have mattered who coached we would have had the 4 losses.

Btw, if I'm not mistaken I believe Solich was coach of the year twice in his 5 year stint at Nebraska of the Big 12. He's already been named coach of the year in the Mac. Tell me how terrible he was when our next coach duplicates his success!
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And the MAC is significant how? Coach of the year there is like the Most Perfect Palm tree Award in Moscow. Has no meaning. Yeah, Poor Frank. He only had one of the best QB to ever play at Nebraska, win a Heisman, and have nothing to show for it. Yeah, he must've been 'green'.
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So what you're really saying is that the Big 12 isn't signficant (notice that Solich was Big 12 Coach of the Year twice in 5 years)? I don't care if you go from D-1 to high school. It is significant if you take a team within a couple of years who rarely ever wins anything and turn them into contenders within their conference. Crouch was one of the best to ever play here. However, in 1998 he was a redshirt freshman and had never played a down for NU because his first year he did redshirt. Some might debate that Frazier was a better QB than Crouch. Frazier really wasn't that stunning his freshman year either losing to the like of lowly Iowa State. Yes, there were some players on the 1998 team that ended up being very good. However, how can you debate that the team wasn't young and green? Nothing to show for it would be CU back in 1994 when they had like 7 players drafted in the first 3 rounds and managed to do nothing with them. I do believe we played for a NC in 2001. I guess Rozier, Gill, and Fryar have nothing to show for their time here at NU either?

How do you measure talent? In the 1999 draft which in 1998 would have been their last year here at NU, we had a whopping 1 player by the name of Mike Rucker get drafted into the NFL in the 2nd round. In the 2000 draft, we had two players drafted with Mike Brown in the 2nd round and Steve Warren in the 3rd. Now for Solich recruits in BC's first two years we had 4 players get drafted in the 2005 draft with Washington in the 1st Rd, Ruud and Bullocks in the 2nd Rd, and Incognito in the 3rd Rd. In 2006, we had 1 player with Bullocks goin in the 2nd round. Now tell me about all those great players TO left Solich with? Who are they? If you don't think TO left Solich with a young team, let's revisit the 1998 draft that had the players from TO's last Season. Rd 1, we had a few guys you might have heard of in Grant Wistrom and Jason Peters. Rd 3 we had Scott Frost and Ahman Green. In later rounds we had Eric Warfield and Aaron Taylor. All of these guys were perennial starters with the number 1 QB and RB gone for Solich's first year. Gone was the anchor on the offensive line. Gone was one of the better DB's to player here at NU. In Solich's first 3 years here with TO's great recruits, only 5 players made it in the first 3 rounds. In BC's first 3 years with Solich's recruits, 8 players have been drafted in the first 3 rounds. If you're a numbers guy that's like nearly 38 percent more than the great TO recruits. I think the dead horse has been beaten clear to China. TO didn't leave a stocked cupbard for Solich as many of you like to believe.

 
I guess Rozier, Gill, and Fryar have nothing to show for their time here at NU either?

Very good point. I'll give you that one. Although I'll reach a little and say NU pretty much had one if they wanted to take a Penn State or Michigan route to get it ;)

I'm not going to get into personnel with Osborne/Solich and the transition, and yes, NU did lose some key players. But in the last 40+ years, tell me when that has mattered. Some pockets in the 70's and 80's maybe. NU doesn't rebuild, it reloads. That has always been key, and almost always been true, probably dependent upon who you talk to about it. It's always awful to see who NU loses to graduation or the draft...but there is a reason huge numbers flock to the Spring game every year.

 
skersfan said:
The wins are not where we all want them I agree, but the program overall is in better shape than I can ever remember it being.
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How old are you? Do you realy think the program is in better shape than when Osbourn was here?

A down year for Osbourn was better than Callahans best year yet. Osbourn was ranked every year in the Top 10. Callahan has had one Team ranked in the Top 25.

 
Most likely quite a bit older than you.

Yes lots of wins against absolutely no one. Pretty much his career was dotted with occasional wins over teams out of our conference. His wins until late in his career were over Big 8 teams. Not the greatest competition, wouldn't you agree? Yes he had a tremendous last 5 years, there is no question about that, but that is all some seem to remember. 9 wins out of the Big eight was like winning 9 games in the Mac now. Not the toughest thing in the world.

Again I do not measure the program by wins alone. I measure by what is going on within the program. I think he has us headed in the right direction on the win side, but who knows. The rest of his program seems to be better to me. Less thugs, discipline for all.

 
skersfan said:
Most likely quite a bit older than you.

Yes lots of wins against absolutely no one. Pretty much his career was dotted with occasional wins over teams out of our conference. His wins until late in his career were over Big 8 teams. Not the greatest competition, wouldn't you agree? Yes he had a tremendous last 5 years, there is no question about that, but that is all some seem to remember. 9 wins out of the Big eight was like winning 9 games in the Mac now. Not the toughest thing in the world.

Again I do not measure the program by wins alone. I measure by what is going on within the program. I think he has us headed in the right direction on the win side, but who knows. The rest of his program seems to be better to me. Less thugs, discipline for all.
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I'm 43.

Winning the North is easier than winning the Big 8. To win the Big 8 you had to beat Oklahoma and Colorado. No Team in the north is as tough as those Teams were.

The Big 12 schedule now is no realy that much tougher. The only perenial power house on the Schedule is Texas or Oklahoma and they only have to play one of them in the regular season.

You also need to look at who Osbourn losses came against. He usualy lost to the National Champions and or Oklahoma.

Fact is the standards have dropped because of what happened the first year with Callahan. It's easy to be happy playing in a Bowl against a well known Team.

Callahan couldn't hold Osbourns clip board. Who has Callahan beat?

I hope Callahan continues to improve and gets back in the national picture as much as anyone. But until he does it, I'm not going to put him on a pedestal or even mention him in the sentance as a Osbourn.

There are only a hand full of Coaches in College fottball history that stack up to Osbourn.

 
60,

Been around this thing a long time.

Coach Osborne was a great coach, and I do not compare BC with Coach Osborne, it will take many years/win before I would even consider it.

I said I felt the program as a whole is better. The wins have to come. But BC is playing a much better level of competition than we played back then. The pansies have new facitlies, and budgets that come close to matching ours. There are some that bury our top of the line sites.

And yes he normally lost the NC games and to Oklahoma, as stated anytime we ran into a team with a pulse we normally went home the loser. Directional schools and the Big 7 (No Oklahoma) virtually guanteed 9 wins a year. Yes we have a great record, but if we were in the big ten or Sec I seriously doubt it would have been close to what it ended up. Just my opinion.

I am not clouded by the past. It is over. Different day, different college football. I doubt Coach Osborne would fare well in today's high end business/sales market.

All you have to do is go back the last 7 NC teams and look at their recruting. Every single one has consistently been in the top ten I think. Exception might be Ohio State. You have to recruit. The big Old Nebraska boys we used are now just the same as the Big Old Kansas, Arkansas, New Hampshire kids that play the game. All have weight training, personal trainers in high school and only want one thing, to play in the NFL. Very few kids grow up in todays world thinking about history and tradition, it is when will I make my first million and who will get me there first. That is reality.

We missed that boat and BC is trying like hell to catch up. I am not saying he has done everything right, or that I am happy with his coaching at this time. But I think he wants to be here and is learning what is expected and how the college game is played. I think we see a different team this year. One that all of us can get behind and endorse.

 
Being 60 years old and retired from the Marine Corps may give me a little broader look at the real world, but to me it was no big deal, and deserved no apology.

Skers,

We don't always agree. But your opinions are well-thought out, and you have strong Husker beliefs.

But this is why, even though I don't know you personally, I love you, man. You served my country. I will always be in your debt. :clap

Oh, and I have to get this shot in...man, you're old! :lol:

 
indianahusker said:
Being 60 years old and retired from the Marine Corps may give me a little broader look at the real world, but to me it was no big deal, and deserved no apology.

Skers,

We don't always agree. But your opinions are well-thought out, and you have strong Husker beliefs.

But this is why, even though I don't know you personally, I love you, man. You served my country. I will always be in your debt. :clap

Oh, and I have to get this shot in...man, you're old! :lol:
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60 is NOT old, he just has lots of experience.

 
Thanks for the kind words guys. I still do not feel old. Still very active, with mountain biking, kayaking, weight lifting and wheeling. Not to mention my total addiction to Nebraska football. The wife calls it a terminal sickness.

Even though sometimes we disagree, all of your are people I care about, you ARE! NEBRASKA FANS!!! That truly care, that really is all that is important.

 
Your still just a young pup, I know yours and mine talked at the Texas or SC game last year. Be carefull she may have learned some of my wife's honey do tricks.

 
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