Oregon Offense

roundegotrip said:
The offense still has to substitute and properly execute at that speed. It's not unstoppable; have your defense prepared to recognize formations and cover their gaps and play up tempo. If it forces a defense to play focused, disciplined football, what's so bad about that? Calling an extreme hurry up offense unfair is like calling the spread offense unfair or the forward pass unfair. Just because it is unique or innovative at the time doesn't mean it's ruining football. Personally, that's one of the biggest reasons I love football... the amount of room there is for creative thinking and strategy.
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and it would slow up real fast if the 'd' got a couple of stops. that is why they keep doing it, it is all about keeping a 'd' off balance. the more it works, the more they are going to do it. if the 'd' adjusts properly, then it would force the 'o' to alter, and then the 'd' can dictate the pace.

 
A different spin on this that I've thought about........should they be accused of running up the score? If they get a pass then so should every other team in college? In some ways I'm not sure what to say, Oregon could simple say that this is how we play and practice and that to disrupt the tempo would have impact beyond the game. If a passing team kept throwing bomb after bomb and destroying another team at some point they would be accused of running up the score.

Anyway playing like your life is on the line when your up 42 to nothing at halftime deserves some criticism.

 
mnhusker said:
A different spin on this that I've thought about........should they be accused of running up the score? If they get a pass then so should every other team in college? In some ways I'm not sure what to say, Oregon could simple say that this is how we play and practice and that to disrupt the tempo would have impact beyond the game. If a passing team kept throwing bomb after bomb and destroying another team at some point they would be accused of running up the score.

Anyway playing like your life is on the line when your up 42 to nothing at halftime deserves some criticism.
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I disagree. Kelly has clearly developed a mentality at Oregon that is sorely lacking at Nebraska. Oregon's players don't care who they're playing against, their job is to execute every single play. That's the game: to see how well we can execute, and how fast we can do it.

You can't just wait for the big games to go out and really execute on every single play - you have to do it every single game. Nebraska hasn't done that throughout the year, and when we played a decent team, it came back to bite us.

Say what you want about Oregon, but at least partially because of their scheme, their players currently have a better mindset and focus than Nebraska week in and week out. And that's why they're still undefeated, and Nebraska isn't.

 
Hercules said:
mnhusker said:
A different spin on this that I've thought about........should they be accused of running up the score? If they get a pass then so should every other team in college? In some ways I'm not sure what to say, Oregon could simple say that this is how we play and practice and that to disrupt the tempo would have impact beyond the game. If a passing team kept throwing bomb after bomb and destroying another team at some point they would be accused of running up the score.

Anyway playing like your life is on the line when your up 42 to nothing at halftime deserves some criticism.
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I disagree. Kelly has clearly developed a mentality at Oregon that is sorely lacking at Nebraska. Oregon's players don't care who they're playing against, their job is to execute every single play. That's the game: to see how well we can execute, and how fast we can do it.

You can't just wait for the big games to go out and really execute on every single play - you have to do it every single game. Nebraska hasn't done that throughout the year, and when we played a decent team, it came back to bite us.

Say what you want about Oregon, but at least partially because of their scheme, their players currently have a better mindset and focus than Nebraska week in and week out. And that's why they're still undefeated, and Nebraska isn't.
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that is what i was thinking, NU could use that mentality. it might be what it takes to get to the mnc. although, we were pretty non-stop against ksu.

 
Hercules said:
BigWillie said:
This is how we want our offense to look, and how it should look, if we had the personnel to fully do it.
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Here's my question... Where are we missing personnel? O-line, you think?
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QB, because we do not have the ability to keep defenses honest with a threat of a passer so they do not key simply on the run. Also have a QB who tries to do too much looking for big plays constantly, which leads to some horrible reads on our zone plays.

RB, because unless our OL gives our guys a clear lane, they are not making many people miss and they are not out-running many folks. It is why potentially getting Heard and Green next year will be invaluable to better this offense.

OL, because we can fully implement the blocking schemes needed.

WR, because we simply do not have the athletes.

Coaching, because it's a square peg in a round hole right now. None are really meant to coach this style offense.

Intelligence, because quite a few of our players are just too slow to pick up the concepts of the offense. Will not call anyone out by name, so no one bother to ask.

I think that covered it. :lol:

 
Aren't the referees supposed to give the defense time to make substitutions, or are there some extenuating factors for this?

 
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BigWillie said:
Hercules said:
BigWillie said:
This is how we want our offense to look, and how it should look, if we had the personnel to fully do it.
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Here's my question... Where are we missing personnel? O-line, you think?
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QB, because we do not have the ability to keep defenses honest with a threat of a passer so they do not key simply on the run. Also have a QB who tries to do too much looking for big plays constantly, which leads to some horrible reads on our zone plays.

RB, because unless our OL gives our guys a clear lane, they are not making many people miss and they are not out-running many folks. It is why potentially getting Heard and Green next year will be invaluable to better this offense.

OL, because we can fully implement the blocking schemes needed.

WR, because we simply do not have the athletes.

Coaching, because it's a square peg in a round hole right now. None are really meant to coach this style offense.

Intelligence, because quite a few of our players are just too slow to pick up the concepts of the offense. Will not call anyone out by name, so no one bother to ask.

I think that covered it. :lol:
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You forgot TE's, but other than that :thumbs

And I think you meant on the OL that we can't fully implement the blocking schemes needed?

With that said, our OL we're recruiting don't seem to fit that mold, agreed?

WR recruiting, as usual, is a mystery.

RB and QB look decent assuming we keep Bubba and Jamal, and get Heard and Green.

But that's a heck of a lot of ifs.

 
Baylor was doing this to us in '08 and '09. They were trying to take the snap before Suh could get back across the line of scrimmage, heck, sometimes half the team was still getting back across the line. Pelini had to chew the ref's ears for a good 5 or 6 plays before they'd even throw a flag.

The offense has to let the defense get across the line, and until they do, the ref has to stand over the ball, at least I think that's what the refs finally started doing to give our team a chance to get set on D.

 
This whole thread makes it seem like Nebraska has no talent...or lack of talent....to me...we have plenty of talent! I don't know what you guy's are smokin. Just b/c Oregon whomped on UCLA...it now makes them the most superior team at running the zone read. Oregon played a great game...but I wouldn't go as far as saying that each of their skill players are far superior than ours. RB's don't break tackles!??? WHAT? Burkhead and Helu break tackles, especially Burkhead...I think some of the posters on this thread will be singing a different tune...and do a 180 if NEB sticks it to Okie St....which could very well happen considering THE TALENT we have on our team.

-We have a young QB....give him time. I don't expect national champsionships out of him his first year start.

-We may be running new offensive schemes...but I think more of the problem lies not in the talent or skill set of the players...but on the coaching.

This is just my two cents...

 
jliehr said:
You forgot TE's, but other than that :thumbs

And I think you meant on the OL that we can't fully implement the blocking schemes needed?

With that said, our OL we're recruiting don't seem to fit that mold, agreed?

WR recruiting, as usual, is a mystery.

RB and QB look decent assuming we keep Bubba and Jamal, and get Heard and Green.

But that's a heck of a lot of ifs.
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Actually, I don't have a problem with our TEs. Ben Cotton has been a fantastic blocker, especially getting up field and locking into someone. Kyler Reed has surprised this year, and is showing flashes of what a weapon he can be. Really, Ron Brown has did a solid job with his crew.

Yes, typo on the OL. My mistake.

Yes, the OL we are recruiting do fit the mold we need. But being completely honest, Barney is absolutely not the guy who should be teaching spread option blocking concepts to this bunch. People can think whatever they want about Barney, but this style of blocking is COMPLETELY different that what he is used to.

Gilmore is worthless, point blank. I'm glad he at least enjoys the 'recruiting coordinator' tag, because he does nothing to deserve it. His development of WRs is horrid, and his ability to even attract WRs to look at Nebraska is a joke.

RB, I like who we have. Helu and Burkhead are GREAT RBs, I'm just not entirely sure they fit what we want to do in this offense. Heard and Green do though. Just wish we used Burkhead more out of the backfield. That wheel route was beautiful against Texas, and the two routes he ran from the backfield against WKU were as well.

QB, we have the athletes to run the zone, we have the passer to make a team respect our ability to pass. We just don't have them all in one player. I really think Brion Carnes could be that guy, as he is looking very good on the scout team. Really hope Bubba gets here as well, as I think he could be our guy for the future.

Taylor, he needs to just abandon learning the zone this offseason and do nothing but pass until his arm falls off. If he can properly go over his reads, make quick decisions, get the ball out quickly, and not hang his WRs out as often making them reach or stop on routes, then I will have COMPLETE faith in him. But that's alot of progress to make.

 
Explain to me...why in the hell did we stomp a mudhole K States a$$ with this new offensive scheme(zone read)....and all of sudden on this thread...the whole theme is based upon NEB not having skill players to run the new offense...Honestly...it looks effective to me. Nebraska just had poor effort on both sides of the ball last Saturday...and Will Muschamp is a great defensive coach...and Texas has great players. They came in wanting the win more than us it seems...amen.

 
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