Pinstripe Bowl

Toe said:
Irrelevant to the point.
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Well the point I was making was the second part of that post:  I'm simply hoping Nebraska gets to be one of those teams on the schedule who weren't expected to be good, but turned out to be considerably better. Not too much to ask imho.

It's really not a hot take. A lot of us had pencilled in Illinois and Indiana as wins this season. Both those programs have had quicker turnarounds with new coaches than Nebraska. I think we all share a similar frustration, and I don't see how diminishing Indiana and Cignetti really helps. We would have been over the moon with an 11-2 record and a playoff appearance immediately after our last 3-9 season, and anyone trying to talk us down with Strength of Schedule debates would have been chased out of here. And if a weak SOS not-that-good Indiana still manages to throttle Nebraska 56-7, well, that kinda is the point. 

Some here even argued that Cignetti had an unfair advantage coming into the Big 10, having raided notorious college football powerhouse (checks notes) James Madison for players and coaches. 

Honestly, I'm hugely relieved and pretty darned upbeat by the bowl win and 7-6 season as it is, even if the last five minutes gave me serious pause. If Rhule is the program builder we hope he is, the next couple seasons should tell. But if the argument is that coaches can't be expected to turn around programs and cultures in less than four seasons, there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Well the point I was making was the second part of that post:  I'm simply hoping Nebraska gets to be one of those teams on the schedule who weren't expected to be good, but turned out to be considerably better. Not too much to ask imho.

It's really not a hot take. A lot of us had pencilled in Illinois and Indiana as wins this season. Both those programs have had quicker turnarounds with new coaches than Nebraska. I think we all share a similar frustration, and I don't see how diminishing Indiana and Cignetti really helps. We would have been over the moon with an 11-2 record and a playoff appearance immediately after our last 3-9 season, and anyone trying to talk us down with Strength of Schedule debates would have been chased out of here. And if a weak SOS not-that-good Indiana still manages to throttle Nebraska 56-7, well, that kinda is the point. 

Some here even argued that Cignetti had an unfair advantage coming into the Big 10, having raided notorious college football powerhouse (checks notes) James Madison for players and coaches. 

Honestly, I'm hugely relieved and pretty darned upbeat by the bowl win and 7-6 season as it is, even if the last five minutes gave me serious pause. If Rhule is the program builder we hope he is, the next couple seasons should tell. But if the argument is that coaches can't be expected to turn around programs and cultures in less than four seasons, there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. 
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We will see how Indiana does in yr 2.  

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
It's really not a hot take. A lot of us had pencilled in Illinois and Indiana as wins this season. Both those programs have had quicker turnarounds with new coaches than Nebraska
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Bielema has been at Illinois twice as long as Rhule has been at Nebraska and went 5-7 in year three. Calling that a quick turnaround is absolutely a hot take.

Yep, we sure did get our asses kicked in one game this season, you're right about that. It's still just one game out of a dozen. Swap the schedules and we'd be looking at more like 9-3 vs 8-4.

Frankly, your post reads like those people whose attitude is basically "One guy got a Heisman as a freshman, therefore anyone who isn't amazing as a freshman is a bust!" I mean good for them, but it's still the exception and not the rule.

 
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Toe said:
Bielema has been at Illinois twice as long as Rhule has been at Nebraska and went 5-7 in year three. Calling that a quick turnaround is absolutely a hot take.

Yep, we sure did get our asses kicked in one game this season, you're right about that. It's still just one game out of a dozen. Swap the schedules and we'd be looking at more like 9-3 vs 8-4.

Frankly, your post reads like those people whose attitude is basically "One guy got a Heisman as a freshman, therefore anyone who isn't amazing as a freshman is a bust!" I mean good for them, but it's still the exception and not the rule.
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Agree, Illinois is not a good example. They were also 8-5 in his 2nd year - 1 more win than we had. They also had a better record than we had in 2019 (2 years before he took over; I don't count 2020).

 
I don't know about you all, but I have given up trusting or relying on how other programs have found success and defined turnarounds. Yes, there are things successful programs do and don't do, but as far as how that manifests in the W/L column... feels like the results are a crap shoot nowadays more than ever before, especially with the portal.

If you look at five-year increments, there are wide arrays of results. Some head coaches start off strong but then their program fizzles out, others start slow and "turn it around", and then other programs who seemingly find 10 wins one season, four the next, and 10 the year after... defying any real sense of expected logic.

If Rhule wins 10 games next season, people will say he turned the program around. If he were to win 6 the season after that, that narrative would disappear. Seems like a turnaround is really only applicable so long as each season fits that narrative.

 
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Toe said:
Frankly, your post reads like those people whose attitude is basically "One guy got a Heisman as a freshman, therefore anyone who isn't amazing as a freshman is a bust!" I mean good for them, but it's still the exception and not the rule.
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I think my posts should read pretty much according to the words I've chosen, which if you read them again are nothing close to this analogy. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I think my posts should read pretty much according to the words I've chosen, which if you read them again are nothing close to this analogy. 
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Oh really? Let's see that quote again...

But if the argument is that coaches can't be expected to turn around programs and cultures in less than four seasons, there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. 
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"But if the argument is that players can't be expected to perform at a top level in their early seasons, there's plenty of evidence to the contrary."

By golly you're right, those statements sound completely different!

 
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We all want the same thing.   Some of us look at the path to get there differently and that's ok.   

The majority of our fan base was excited for the MR hire and the thought of him duplicating his past performances.   He is right on pace to do what we hired him to do.   Optimists would argue maybe he is little ahead of schedule. 

Enjoy a good offseason guys. 

 
I must say, the Pinstripe bowl win was the most enjoyable game I have seen in a very long time.

Overcast cloudy day, wet grass, Yankee Stadium, the foul poles, the giant TV scoreboards and the views of the field/fan sections.  

I loved watching a Husker hit someone and the BC tight end sliding 10 yards out of bounds. And our receivers diving for passes and sliding around.  Both defensive lines getting after quarterbacks.  Man, I am going to miss Ty and Nash.

Loved everything about this game.  The Huskers seemed in control from start to finish, meaning, that I never worried they would not win.

Shavers, McGahee, Van Poppel, Noonan, Dylan, Emmett, Rhamir, Lindenmeyer, etc..... all playing their butts off and having fun.  Even the late game smack talk and getting into peoples faces.  

Loved seeing Holgo & Butler and hearing from Coach Rhule.  

Great game, great victory in a season that could have had more dubs at the end of the year.

Yessir, sign me up for more of this (Bowl Seasons with the Huskers) !

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