Ralph Brown says Pelini needs to build better bridge with ex players

[Landlord]

Well the closest Bo's ever been to a championship, and the number one ranking was with BC's.......

Since you're the one equating Bo to Callahan it's curious that Bo achieved the success he did with Callahan players while Callahan achieved far less. What's your point?

 

[sd'sker]

2007 was a horrid year. I've never said it wasn't. What's your point?

Bo did more in his first two years, win or lose, than Callahan did in four. Bill may have brought those guys in, but it Bo and his staff that made them what they wound up being. Again win or lose. At least Bo got them to put forth the effort above anything else instead of appearing to be signed up for flag league.

and the concern is that bo did more in his first 3 years than his next 3 years. and lately, the defense has started to regress back to those flag football league days.

 

[Count 'Bility]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

does it? i think it says that bo over-performed his first few years with incredible talent and is now struggling to maintain that level of success, let alone get over the hump.

You know SD. I've spoken of this in the past myself. I feel this way too. That maybe Bo did himself no favors going 9-4, and 10-4 with nearly a conference title against the #2 team in the nation, and then being rated at high as 5th in 2010 and some impressive wins that year. I think it created an impatience and bit of a spoiled attitude (?) maybe. I dont really know how to describe it. But lets say he goes 6-6 that first year. 8-5 the next. 9-4 after that, and then we have the seasons we've had the last 3, combined with the same improved recruiting. Would our current situation be seen as "still building, need more time" compared to the actual current feeling of regression?

 

[sd'sker]

Since you're the one equating Bo to Callahan it's curious that Bo achieved the success he did with Callahan players while Callahan achieved far less. What's your point?

no one is arguing that bo is not better than callahan. but i think polo is saying that some of the standards we used to determine callahan was a bad hc should be applied to bo.

 

[Count 'Bility]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

Because Bo Pelini's trajectory of taking over such a program looks exactly like, say, Pete Carroll's. Or Saban's. Or Jimbo's.

(Waits for the Brady Hoke counter)

If you're going to cherrypick and generalize to somehow equate Bo to Callahan, then you should at least accept generalizations that equate Bo with the likes of Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, Brady Hoke, and plenty of others that took over struggling programs and had their best success early on.

Ah so I have to cherry pick YOUR way. How silly of me.

Go ahead, compare Bo to Stoops and Carroll. Won't go well for Bo.

Bo is 1-2 head to head against Stoops. Callahan is 0-3, AND 0-2 against Carroll.

Convo dun.

 

[Landlord]

Ah so I have to cherry pick YOUR way. How silly of me.

Go ahead, compare Bo to Stoops and Carroll. Won't go well for Bo.

You've got it wrong man. I am cherrypicking your way. I will use your post as the precedent of how to compare:

Games where 70 points get scored on the defense? The worst home losses in history? 3 home losses in a season? No championships?

Took over programs with losing seasons the year before? Had a winning and successful season their first year? Had their best season early on and haven't duplicated it since? Been blown out in embarrassing fashion on the big stage? From Youngstown? Hire their buddies?

They're practically the same, really.

 

[Landlord]

Since you're the one equating Bo to Callahan it's curious that Bo achieved the success he did with Callahan players while Callahan achieved far less. What's your point?

no one is arguing that bo is not better than callahan. but i think polo is saying that some of the standards we used to determine callahan was a bad hc should be applied to bo.

Such as?

 

[NUpolo8]

The top achievements for Bill Callahan:

A CCG appearance where a victory could/should have happened if only they had gotten out of their own way

A bowl victory over a "name" team that brought in lots of "momentum"

A QB who was the conference player of the year

Nfl talent.

The yearly fun of the recruiting "studs" being brought in

Bad Times with Bill Callahan

Embarrassing moments on camera during games (throatslash, hillbillies)

The worst home losses in program history

70+ points given up

Stubborn commitment to seemingly incompetent assistants.

Leaked stories of his disdain for the state and it's fans.

Smug/flip to the media during tough times.

No conference championships

Odd fumbles/choke jobs under the spotlight/when it matters most.

--yeah sker and I are really reaching with these comparisons.

 

[sd'sker]

You know SD. I've spoken of this in the past myself. I feel this way too. That maybe Bo did himself no favors going 9-4, and 10-4 with nearly a conference title against the #2 team in the nation, and then being rated at high as 5th in 2010 and some impressive wins that year. I think it created an impatience and bit of a spoiled attitude (?) maybe. I dont really know how to describe it. But lets say he goes 6-6 that first year. 8-5 the next. 9-4 after that, and then we have the seasons we've had the last 3, combined with the same improved recruiting. Would our current situation be seen as "still building, need more time" compared to the actual current feeling of regression?

2009 created some crazy expectations. and that is my biggest frustration, because when bo came in i thought we would never have to worry about defense. never have to worry about getting blown out. then you see that 2009 defense and what you thought seems true. and since then, that has been the standard. and bo has had seasons that good (arguably better seasons), but the defense has never looked that good. and the offense, even with the greatest flashes of brilliance, is only consistent at being inconsistent.

again, i am very excited for this upcoming season. but another 4 loss, blah, season would really be disappointing. i just want to see good football by played by the boys in red.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Since you're the one equating Bo to Callahan it's curious that Bo achieved the success he did with Callahan players while Callahan achieved far less. What's your point?

no one is arguing that bo is not better than callahan. but i think polo is saying that some of the standards we used to determine callahan was a bad hc should be applied to bo.

Such as?

I need to be specified what standards. Every time we use Bo's first couple years as a narrative of his capabilities, it gets pointed out that that was Callahans talent and half his staff. Callahan had them frickin guys too. So I guess I dont understand really where this is going now. Comparing Bo to Callahan. Bo is better. Is that not obvious?

 

[NUpolo8]

Since it's done I'll refer you to Carroll and Stoops's trophy case, then Bo's.

 

[sd'sker]

Since you're the one equating Bo to Callahan it's curious that Bo achieved the success he did with Callahan players while Callahan achieved far less. What's your point?

no one is arguing that bo is not better than callahan. but i think polo is saying that some of the standards we used to determine callahan was a bad hc should be applied to bo.

Such as?

polo pretty much summed it up.

but: conf. champs, how we lose, recruiting, wins/losses, etc.

some favor bo, no doubt. but the important ones (at least to me) do not. to me, what matters is if we are competitive and are we competing for championships.

 

[Landlord]

It's as if there is no such thing as 'the middle'

 

[Landlord]

Since you're the one equating Bo to Callahan it's curious that Bo achieved the success he did with Callahan players while Callahan achieved far less. What's your point?

no one is arguing that bo is not better than callahan. but i think polo is saying that some of the standards we used to determine callahan was a bad hc should be applied to bo.

Such as?

polo pretty much summed it up.

but: conf. champs, how we lose, recruiting, wins/losses, etc.

some favor bo, no doubt. but the important ones (at least to me) do not. to me, what matters is if we are competitive and are we competing for championships.

I fail to see how those standards are not being applied to Pelini.

 

[Count 'Bility]

You know SD. I've spoken of this in the past myself. I feel this way too. That maybe Bo did himself no favors going 9-4, and 10-4 with nearly a conference title against the #2 team in the nation, and then being rated at high as 5th in 2010 and some impressive wins that year. I think it created an impatience and bit of a spoiled attitude (?) maybe. I dont really know how to describe it. But lets say he goes 6-6 that first year. 8-5 the next. 9-4 after that, and then we have the seasons we've had the last 3, combined with the same improved recruiting. Would our current situation be seen as "still building, need more time" compared to the actual current feeling of regression?

2009 created some crazy expectations. and that is my biggest frustration, because when bo came in i thought we would never have to worry about defense. never have to worry about getting blown out. then you see that 2009 defense and what you thought seems true. and sense then, that has been the standard. and bo has had seasons that good (arguably better seasons), but the defense has never looked that good. and the offense, even with the greatest flashes of brilliance, is only consistent at being inconsistent.

again, i am very excited for this upcoming season. but another 4 loss, blah, season would really be disappointing. i just want to see good football by played by the boys in red.

It was crazy. And then the talent ran out. It really did. Bo was not prepared to recruit at the level he needed to sustain. he didnt have the experience. He didnt have the connections. Yes, Callahan brought in a lot of that talent Bo had success with them first couple years. But that doesnt mean Bo cant be give the deserved credit for their development and performance. Callahan didnt do sh#t with them. So what happened is we fell into a rut. Some doldrums over the past years. And the resulting expectations of those first couple years have obviously worn on Bo and his view of everything Nebraska. But i think he's changing for the better and maybe sees the light at the end of the tunnel as he little by little gets the recruiting and talent issues figured out.