Ralph Brown says Pelini needs to build better bridge with ex players

[NUpolo8]

Ah so I have to cherry pick YOUR way. How silly of me.

Go ahead, compare Bo to Stoops and Carroll. Won't go well for Bo.

You've got it wrong man. I am cherrypicking your way. I will use your post as the precedent of how to compare:

Games where 70 points get scored on the defense? The worst home losses in history? 3 home losses in a season? No championships?

Took over programs with losing seasons the year before? Had a winning and successful season their first year? Had their best season early on and haven't duplicated it since? Been blown out in embarrassing fashion on the big stage? From Youngstown? Hire their buddies?

They're practically the same, really.

Except for that crystal football OU won. Other than that........

 

[sd'sker]

Since you're the one equating Bo to Callahan it's curious that Bo achieved the success he did with Callahan players while Callahan achieved far less. What's your point?

no one is arguing that bo is not better than callahan. but i think polo is saying that some of the standards we used to determine callahan was a bad hc should be applied to bo.

Such as?

polo pretty much summed it up.

but: conf. champs, how we lose, recruiting, wins/losses, etc.

some favor bo, no doubt. but the important ones (at least to me) do not. to me, what matters is if we are competitive and are we competing for championships.

I fail to see how those standards are not being applied to Pelini.

how do you apply standards?

 

[Landlord]

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP DINGUS YOU TELL ME

 

[zoogs]

OK, this is nuts. I think the point is just that there's this mythos of Bo being a 'Nebraska Guy' because of his 2003 season here as DC. There's history there but not much to the myth. Bo's his own man.

But, more to the point, so? Every coach is. And should be. We don't *know* what Bo's ceiling or floor is, but we do know he's done a better job than Callahan so far, and also that all the 2003-ness in the world won't save his job if he doesn't eventually take the program to the next level.

 

[Landlord]

Except for that crystal football OU won. Other than that........

Except for those losing seasons Callahan had. Other than that............

Can literally do this all day.

 

[sd'sker]

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP DINGUS YOU TELL ME

i apply them as a threshold to keep a job, name-caller.

 

[Landlord]

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP DINGUS YOU TELL ME

i apply them as a threshold to keep a job, name-caller.

I would imagine win totals are a big part of that threshold, as well as off-the-field stuff such as GPA and graduation rate and life skills junk and whatever.

Which has been my point all along. Polo seems to get off on comparing the two only in regards to things that are actually comparable while conveniently ignoring everything that isn't.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Since it's done I'll refer you to Carroll and Stoops's trophy case, then Bo's.

Well Stoops got a trophy for beating Callahan once, and for beating Bo once. i dont recall Carroll ever getting a trophy for beating Nebraska.

Cuz I thought this was a comparison of Bo to Callahan using Stoops and Carroll.

I did that. And straight up, Bo won. It's over.

 

[NUpolo8]

OK, this is nuts. I think the point is just that there's this mythos of Bo being a 'Nebraska Guy' because of his 2003 season here as DC. There's history there but not much to the myth. Bo's his own man.
But, more to the point, so? Every coach is. And should be. We don't *know* what Bo's ceiling or floor is, but we do know he's done a better job than Callahan so far, and also that all the 2003-ness in the world won't save his job if he doesn't eventually take the program to the next level.

True. I'm just pointing out that the biggest complaints about BC were "ZOMG TEH BLOWOUTZ", and "former players don't feel welcome" or "he won't fire his buddy assistants"

The exact, same things are still happening.

 

[NUpolo8]

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP DINGUS YOU TELL ME

i apply them as a threshold to keep a job, name-caller.

I would imagine win totals are a big part of that threshold, as well as off-the-field stuff such as GPA and graduation rate and life skills junk and whatever.

Which has been my point all along. Polo seems to get off on comparing the two only in regards to things that are actually comparable while conveniently ignoring everything that isn't.

BC's guys kept their nose clean and had a good gpa rate too. Next.

 

[Count 'Bility]

OK, this is nuts. I think the point is just that there's this mythos of Bo being a 'Nebraska Guy' because of his 2003 season here as DC. There's history there but not much to the myth. Bo's his own man.
But, more to the point, so? Every coach is. And should be. We don't *know* what Bo's ceiling or floor is, but we do know he's done a better job than Callahan so far, and also that all the 2003-ness in the world won't save his job if he doesn't eventually take the program to the next level.

True. I'm just pointing out that the biggest complaints about BC were "ZOMG TEH BLOWOUTZ", and "former players don't feel welcome" or "he won't fire his buddy assistants"

The exact, same things are still happening.

That's becuase under Callahan, the blowouts were still rather shocking. By the time Bo took over, we became use to em. Thanks to Callahan. He was so enlightening with all his NFL talent and modern offense and all.

 

[NUpolo8]

Since it's done I'll refer you to Carroll and Stoops's trophy case, then Bo's.

Well Stoops got a trophy for beating Callahan once, and for beating Bo once. i dont recall Carroll ever getting a trophy for beating Nebraska.

Cuz I thought this was a comparison of Bo to Callahan using Stoops and Carroll.

I did that. And straight up, Bo won. It's over.

Holy crap.

Wow.

Yeah I guess it is...

-actual championships for BO still equals zero-

 

[NUpolo8]

OK, this is nuts. I think the point is just that there's this mythos of Bo being a 'Nebraska Guy' because of his 2003 season here as DC. There's history there but not much to the myth. Bo's his own man.
But, more to the point, so? Every coach is. And should be. We don't *know* what Bo's ceiling or floor is, but we do know he's done a better job than Callahan so far, and also that all the 2003-ness in the world won't save his job if he doesn't eventually take the program to the next level.

True. I'm just pointing out that the biggest complaints about BC were "ZOMG TEH BLOWOUTZ", and "former players don't feel welcome" or "he won't fire his buddy assistants"

The exact, same things are still happening.

That's becuase under Callahan, the blowouts were still rather shocking. By the time Bo took over, we became use to em. Thanks to Callahan. He was so enlightening with all his NFL talent and modern offense and all.

So that makes blowouts OK?

 

[Count 'Bility]

Since it's done I'll refer you to Carroll and Stoops's trophy case, then Bo's.

Well Stoops got a trophy for beating Callahan once, and for beating Bo once. i dont recall Carroll ever getting a trophy for beating Nebraska.

Cuz I thought this was a comparison of Bo to Callahan using Stoops and Carroll.

I did that. And straight up, Bo won. It's over.

Holy crap.

Wow.

Yeah I guess it is...

-actual championships for BO still equals zero-

It's not about that. it's about Bo versus Callahan-via Stoops and Carroll.

Callahan's championships still and always will equal zero too.

 

[sd'sker]

I would imagine win totals are a big part of that threshold, as well as off-the-field stuff such as GPA and graduation rate and life skills junk and whatever.

Which has been my point all along. Polo seems to get off on comparing the two only in regards to things that are actually comparable while conveniently ignoring everything that isn't.

it would seem so. i do not know. i mean the big one is championships, isn't it? and how we lose? solich got fired for not winning championships (that was a mistake and he did win a championship. but that is the standard, championships). callahan got fired, not for wins and losses, but how we lost.

but, you are right. bo is stuck. this would have been the year to fire him, but he still had done enough to keep his job (and probably not enough to justify his buyout). so here we are. i just hope this season bo can put all this to rest by showing what he showed early in his career.