Reilly out of bounds

[Kiyoat Husker]

From my seats in the north end zone, there was enough contact by the defender to have made the call that Reilly was forced out of bounds. The angle the TV replay showed was NOT the beginning of the contact, NOT what started Reilly's momentum in the direction of the sideline. There was contact BEFORE that clip started.

This post pretty much ends the argument for me. For people wanting to review the footage to make a judgement on this, they just won't get the whole picture.

Sorry, Plaxico, maybe you should go to the game next time. But there IS some good footage of clap gate. Maybe go check that out, just for fun.

 

[Saunders]

Watched The Final Drive on BTN. Gerry Dinardo talked to Bill Carollo the B1G Head of officials. Basically, they did the review to see if there is contact between the Defender and Offensive player. The only thing they can review was if there was contact, (which obviously, there was) and once they established that contact was made, they upheld the call. It's a judgement call, just like PI or holding. The Defender doesn't have to overtly push him OOB, only contact/force him OOB.

 

[NUance]

Michigan State alum Plaxico Burress naturally didn't like the call.

This coming from the guy who shot himself in the leg with his own pistol that he brought into a NYC nightclub.

 

[NUance]

Worst call of the season.

He didn't push the WR out of bounds... Jesus.

Maybe instead of complaining about a close call that could have gone either way, you should just enjoy the win. Sheesh.

 

[Red Dead Redemption]

He didn't push the WR out of bounds... Jesus.

You are upset we won aren't you.

You would like that wouldn't you.

wait.......are you my 12 year old daughter? You sound just like her...and you make as much sense.

I told you that you can't have any internet accounts I don't know about. Bring me your phone. You can have it back when you learn to make better choices.

People questioned me when I gave an 11 year old girl a Samsung S5. There was a reason for my madness. That phone is now her life and since it is her life it gives me considerable leverage as a parent. When she has a bad attitude....do I need to take your phone? If her chores aren't done properly....do I need to take your phone? I don't need to say anything else and I don't actually need to take it either. We've been down that road before and she didn't like it one bit.

Just like in 'Malcolm in the Middle', when Hal and Lois discover Reese has a passion for cooking and he gets upset when they deny him that privilege...

(Shocked) "We can hurt him!....We can be parents again!"

 

[lo country]

Bottom line. We won. We came down form 2 scores and beat the #6 team in the nation. Great win for the team. THEY really needed it. IMO, one of the biggest upsets in NU history. Last time we were unranked and beat a ranked team was 1974 IIRC against Bama.

As far as officiating. They got it right. NU was "due" on some call to finally go our way. I loved Dantonio walking around with his finger in the air for :01 to be added.

I will take aiwa like that any day.

 

[Kiyoat Husker]

Bottom line. We won. We came down form 2 scores and beat the #6 team in the nation. Great win for the team. THEY really needed it. IMO, one of the biggest upsets in NU history. Last time we were unranked and beat a ranked team was 1974 IIRC against Bama.

As far as officiating. They got it right. NU was "due" on some call to finally go our way. I loved Dantonio walking around with his finger in the air for :01 to be added.

I will take aiwa like that any day.

77

 

[Touchdown Tommie]

The argument on the MSU side is that the defender had position and was running down the sideline and Reilly ran into him and then went out of bounds to get around him. If that was legal receivers would do it all the time because that opens up the sideline to them as field they can use to get open.

Well, yes and no. They still have to catch the ball. The rules of Pass Interference don't apply to this situation, nor does the penalty. If the DB tries to use his position to take the receiver OOB, the receiver can go out and come back in as long as there was contact. Makes perfect sense to me after thinking about it. Otherwise the reverse would be true, the DB would just keep veering toward the sideline until the receiver steps out, and then he's eliminated him from the play. It's not like any receiver can think, "I'll just run into him and step out of bounds for an automatic great result for us." Going out puts him in worse position to catch the ball since he has to get legal position back in the field of play for the ball. It just keeps him alive in the play.

I was thinking about this after I went to bed. Griese seemed to want to apply pass interference rules and the defenders right to his position, but that's a different thing.

After watching the replay again this morning, Griese is a complete fool. I know I am biased, but I am not sure an announcer has made that many comments about bad officiating. Again, I know I am biased, but if coaches cannot call out officials, the announcers should be held somewhat accountable for the comments about officiating. Maybe it is a dumb argument and I just need to tune it out!!!

 

[Red Dead Redemption]

The argument on the MSU side is that the defender had position and was running down the sideline and Reilly ran into him and then went out of bounds to get around him. If that was legal receivers would do it all the time because that opens up the sideline to them as field they can use to get open.

Well, yes and no. They still have to catch the ball. The rules of Pass Interference don't apply to this situation, nor does the penalty. If the DB tries to use his position to take the receiver OOB, the receiver can go out and come back in as long as there was contact. Makes perfect sense to me after thinking about it. Otherwise the reverse would be true, the DB would just keep veering toward the sideline until the receiver steps out, and then he's eliminated him from the play. It's not like any receiver can think, "I'll just run into him and step out of bounds for an automatic great result for us." Going out puts him in worse position to catch the ball since he has to get legal position back in the field of play for the ball. It just keeps him alive in the play.

I was thinking about this after I went to bed. Griese seemed to want to apply pass interference rules and the defenders right to his position, but that's a different thing.

After watching the replay again this morning, Griese is a complete fool. I know I am biased, but I am not sure an announcer has made that many comments about bad officiating. Again, I know I am biased, but if coaches cannot call out officials, the announcers should be held somewhat accountable for the comments about officiating. Maybe it is a dumb argument and I just need to tune it out!!!

Bolded is truth. +1 million

 

[Hayseed]

I'm joining the "I DON'T CARE" crowd....earlier in the game the guy fell on Westy when he was on the ground. It was the next thing to spearing and could've been called. Many things were questionable.

Anybody else think the out of bounds rule is a dumb rule? I can see where you shouldn't be able to snap the ball with 10 on the field and then have some guy run in for the big catch, but a rule against stepping out seems unnecessary to me. Maybe someone can explain why that rule is so important?

 

[Danimal]

Watched The Final Drive on BTN. Gerry Dinardo talked to Bill Carollo the B1G Head of officials. Basically, they did the review to see if there is contact between the Defender and Offensive player. The only thing they can review was if there was contact, (which obviously, there was) and once they established that contact was made, they upheld the call. It's a judgement call, just like PI or holding. The Defender doesn't have to overtly push him OOB, only contact/force him OOB.

Yes, all that they can review was the whether there was contact and if there was uphold the call on the field. The call on the field was wrong. You will see similar contact all game long without the wr going out of bounds. Reilly wasn't watching what he was doing and got away with one. He was not forced out of bounds. You can't be forced out of bounds by a defender that has his back to you that is running downfield.

But I'll take the W sketchy call or not. MSU had their late chances late and didn't take advantage:

Rather than going with conventional wisdom after the onside kick they should have opted for safe/high-percentage passes rather than just focusing on burning clock. We had two timeouts left to get us the ball back with but a horrible pass defense. If they show some balls and throw at said pass defense we'd have been in trouble.

They had a pick in their hands and dropped it. Close games get down to who can make plays when it counts, they didn't. If he holds on to the ball when he hits the ground we lose just like if Moore holds the ball when he hits the ground last year we win. Hell they should have played better D in general that drive.

For some reason we handed them great field position at the end, leaving them two solid gains or one big gain from fieldgoal range. Cook ends-up with time to throw one more quick pass before going for a fieldgoal or Hail Mary. He gets brainlock and uses up the last of the clock.

MSU's performance late was similar to us in our close losses. Just didn't get the job done.

 

[olddominionhusker]

Because the boundaries of the field have to be enforced in some way. Take an absurd example. If the rule didn't exist. In on the field as a wideour at the snap. I take of down field but decide to run into the sideline to camouflage myself so to speAK then come back in to make a play. If you were allowed to leave and return the field without consequence that could and probably would happen.

 

[BIGREDIOWAN]

It was the correct call according to the rule, but like several have said, we've been on the other side of those several times and it sucks. When you see a back judge staring at a play develop where the DB has a hold of a receivers left arm stopping a possibly winning reception a short time earlier you tend to not care when a call goes your way a few seconds later.

 

[olddominionhusker]

Watched The Final Drive on BTN. Gerry Dinardo talked to Bill Carollo the B1G Head of officials. Basically, they did the review to see if there is contact between the Defender and Offensive player. The only thing they can review was if there was contact, (which obviously, there was) and once they established that contact was made, they upheld the call. It's a judgement call, just like PI or holding. The Defender doesn't have to overtly push him OOB, only contact/force him OOB.

Yes, all that they can review was the whether there was contact and if there was uphold the call on the field. The call on the field was wrong. You will see similar contact all game long without the wr going out of bounds. Reilly wasn't watching what he was doing and got away with one. He was not forced out of bounds. You can't be forced out of bounds by a defender that has his back to you that is running downfield.

But I'll take the W sketchy call or not. MSU had their late chances late and didn't take advantage:

Rather than going with conventional wisdom after the onside kick they should have opted for safe/high-percentage passes rather than just focusing on burning clock. We had two timeouts left to get us the ball back with but a horrible pass defense. If they show some balls and throw at said pass defense we'd have been in trouble.

They had a pick in their hands and dropped it. Close games get down to who can make plays when it counts, they didn't. If he holds on to the ball when he hits the ground we lose just like if Moore holds the ball when he hits the ground last year we win. Hell they should have played better D in general that drive.

For some reason we handed them great field position at the end, leaving them two solid gains or one big gain from fieldgoal range. Cook ends-up with time to throw one more quick pass before going for a fieldgoal or Hail Mary. He gets brainlock and uses up the last of the clock.

MSU's performance late was similar to us in our close losses. Just didn't get the job done.

Yes finally someone else actually understands the rule. People here are taking the fact that on this particular play the only reviewable aspect was contact and extrapolating that to interpret that the rule means as long as there is any contact on a play the receiver is automatically allowed to come back in. That is not the case. The referee last night could very well have ruled incidental contact and Reilly ineligible. That would be entirely within the rules as well. Just as the call he made is within the rule. That's the part where judgement and interpretation come in. He is free to determine whether the receiver is forced out by said contact. As you said this type of incidental contact occurs all the time. Its a judgement call and in this case I agree its very questionable judgement.
Having said that two interference calls last night were judgement calls as well and far more egregious and obviously bad(the offsetting and the no call on Moore)

 

[Hayseed]

Because the boundaries of the field have to be enforced in some way. Take an absurd example. If the rule didn't exist. In on the field as a wideour at the snap. I take of down field but decide to run into the sideline to camouflage myself so to speAK then come back in to make a play. If you were allowed to leave and return the field without consequence that could and probably would happen.

Yeah, and I'm sure that has happened that brought on the rule, but so what if the guy started in bounds and decided to go hide? They can't see him do that? Still seems unlikely to me that a coach would expect to gain from his guy hiding on the sideline. Another change would be to say the player can step out but not be completely off the field which would make more sense.